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COPPER is gutter !

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  • UpGrayedd
    UpGrayedd Posts: 825 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 16, 2025 7:00PM
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    Silver be BOOMIN!®. BR!

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  • blitzdude
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    @softparade said:

    FXD! THKS!!

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  • blitzdude
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    P.S. We see what Kitco says is spot pls report what Kitco Pays at spot. RGDS!

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
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    Wooooha! Did someone just say it's officially "TACO™" Tuesday????
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  • toadstrangler
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    @blitzdude said:
    P.S. We see what Kitco says is spot pls report what Kitco Pays at spot. RGDS!

    WHO CARES! Why would anyone SELL their silver! Unless in distress....

    COPPER is gutter !

  • UpGrayedd
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  • toadstrangler
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    @UpGrayedd said:
    AI Overview
    Psychopath handwriting often shows inconsistent spacing, extreme pressure, variable size, and illegible or erratic features, reflecting impulsivity, lack of empathy, and emotional dysregulation, with traits like cramped writing, oversized signatures (narcissism), or uncontrolled lower zone (instincts) pointing to antisocial tendencies, though graphology is not a definitive diagnosis but complements clinical assessment.

    omg what? :D

    COPPER is gutter !

  • MsMorrisine
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    handwriting analysis off a mouse drawn word is specious

    riding someone who is following the behavior rules is questionable

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  • UpGrayedd
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    @MsMorrisine said:
    handwriting analysis off a mouse drawn word is specious

    riding someone who is following the behavior rules is questionable

    It's called a joke.

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  • GoldFinger1969
    GoldFinger1969 Posts: 3,471 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 16, 2025 10:33PM
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    @softparade said:
    WHO CARES! Why would anyone SELL their silver! Unless in distress....

    You need sellers to maintain and orderly an liquid market.

    Besides, some people want to sell one type of silver for another...or bars for coins....or vice versa...or whatever. :)

  • MsMorrisine
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    liquid silver burns

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  • fleaseyelash
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    It also depends on ones age,cant take it with you. But i guess you can if there is room in the coffin.

  • toadstrangler
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    @fleaseyelash said:
    It also depends on ones age,cant take it with you. But i guess you can if there is room in the coffin.

    pass it on..

    COPPER is gutter !

  • derryb
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    @softparade said:

    @blitzdude said:
    P.S. We see what Kitco says is spot pls report what Kitco Pays at spot. RGDS!

    WHO CARES! Why would anyone SELL their silver! Unless in distress....

    I'm selling for personal reasons, prices have been good to me. Proceeds go right into leveraged silver ETFs which offer instant liquidation.

    Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. - Bastiat

  • cladking
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    @derryb said:

    @softparade said:

    @blitzdude said:
    P.S. We see what Kitco says is spot pls report what Kitco Pays at spot. RGDS!

    WHO CARES! Why would anyone SELL their silver! Unless in distress....

    I'm selling for personal reasons, prices have been good to me. Proceeds go right into leveraged silver ETFs which offer instant liquidation.

    The price of silver is discordant. If it rationalizes ETF's are virtually certain to default possibly leaving you holding the bag. So long as silver only goes up a dollar a day ETFD's are fine. If it spikes higher than a lot of p[aper silver evaporates with the short sellers. What works persists but shorting can't work when discordancy stops.

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  • toadstrangler
    toadstrangler Posts: 10,033 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 17, 2025 5:33PM
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    I watched two videos released today by a coin shop in the TAMPA area and one in OREGON. Interestingly they both mentioned that America the Beautiful 5oz US Mint pcs have started showing up in their stores in quantity. Previously they both hadn't seen them much at all. That's a great indicator that those trying to cash in now are stackers.

    COPPER is gutter !

  • Wingsrule
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    Nothing wrong with taking some off the table.

  • toadstrangler
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    @Wingsrule said:
    Nothing wrong with taking some off the table.

    It's not in my DNA at all. But I get it.

    COPPER is gutter !

  • DisneyFan
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    @softparade said:
    I watched two videos released today by a coin shop in the TAMPA area and one in OREGON. Interestingly they both mentioned that America the Beautiful 5oz US Mint pcs have started showing up in their stores in quantity. Previously they both hadn't seen them much at all.

    .>
    Any indication of their bid and ask? Might be fun to collect if they are around melt.

  • derryb
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    @cladking said:

    @derryb said:

    @softparade said:

    @blitzdude said:
    P.S. We see what Kitco says is spot pls report what Kitco Pays at spot. RGDS!

    WHO CARES! Why would anyone SELL their silver! Unless in distress....

    I'm selling for personal reasons, prices have been good to me. Proceeds go right into leveraged silver ETFs which offer instant liquidation.

    The price of silver is discordant. If it rationalizes ETF's are virtually certain to default possibly leaving you holding the bag. So long as silver only goes up a dollar a day ETFD's are fine. If it spikes higher than a lot of p[aper silver evaporates with the short sellers. What works persists but shorting can't work when discordancy stops.

    Get in, get out. No time for default. B)

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  • jmski52
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    Any indication of their bid and ask? Might be fun to collect if they are around melt.

    About 6 weeks ago, a dealer told me that even ATBs that were certified as MS-69 DMPL could only bring spot, and that was before silver's recent big moves. I didn't ask if he had any to sell.

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  • toadstrangler
    toadstrangler Posts: 10,033 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 18, 2025 10:41AM
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    Vermillion Enterprises - FL report that they had a 1,000 oz .999 bar come into their shop yesterday 12/17. After checking with their refiners, because they don't see bars that big often, they are paying him the same rate for that bar as they are for 1 oz sizes. He was able to pay that walk in 1,000 oz bar at 3 MINUS spot. Not too shabby.

    COPPER is gutter !

  • MsMorrisine
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    omg. a gfd 1,000 should get at least 1 under

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  • toadstrangler
    toadstrangler Posts: 10,033 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 18, 2025 11:11AM
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    @MsMorrisine said:
    omg. a gfd 1,000 should get at least 1 under

    We are in uncharted waters. Three back of spot to the walk in for a chunk is pretty good. IMO. He walked out with 62k ish and undoubtable a gigantic profit. I still wouldn't sell though.

    FWIW they are paying for ASE's
    ASE that are not BU they are BUYING for spot -1 and SELLING for spot
    ASE BU (They call RETAIL FRIENDLY) are BUYING spot -1 and SELLING spot +1

    Again, pretty solid. Premiums at least with this dealer on ASE's have vanished.

    COPPER is gutter !

  • coastaljerseyguy
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    @MsMorrisine said:
    omg. a gfd 1,000 should get at least 1 under

    Why? Vermillion shelled out $60 grand and has to make money. Also do you think the refiners work for free, even if there is little work to do with this big bar. Seems a lot of folks here bad mouth shops for trying to earn a living. Will you give me $60K interest free?

  • MsMorrisine
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    refiners are making 1,000 bars

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  • toadstrangler
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    edited December 18, 2025 6:07PM
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    @MsMorrisine said:
    refiners are making 1,000 bars

    And?
    They aren't taking that 1k bar and sending it straight to COMEX. It's probably ugly AF. EVEN IF IT ISN'T, it still has to be processed to their end user specs. Humans always want others to do something for nothing.

    COPPER is gutter !

  • derryb
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    COMEX uses an approved list to buy the gfd bars.

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  • UpGrayedd
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    Spot is over 6-7. Silver be BOOMIN!®. BR!

    Philippians 4:4-7

  • RedneckHB
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    @UpGrayedd said:
    Spot is over 6-7.

    Haha

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  • GoldFinger1969
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    @derryb said:
    I'm selling for personal reasons, prices have been good to me. Proceeds go right into leveraged silver ETFs which >offer instant liquidation.

    You understand that leveraged ETFs can vary greatly from a prolonged rise in the underlying index/item...they are really only useful for 1-2 days at most.

  • derryb
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    edited December 21, 2025 6:14AM
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    @GoldFinger1969 said:

    @derryb said:
    I'm selling for personal reasons, prices have been good to me. Proceeds go right into leveraged silver ETFs which >offer instant liquidation.

    You understand that leveraged ETFs can vary greatly from a prolonged rise in the underlying index/item...they are really only useful for 1-2 days at most.

    yes, "decay" is inherit in both levereaged and inverse (reverse leveraged) ETFs and a steady, constant ETF price, over time, will suffer overall losses. Decay is simply a cost that must be factored in but does not guarantee a loss in a rising price. A few PM ETFs come in both leveraged and inverse flavors with both offering profitable trading when market direction is correctly anticipated. However, profitibility is not limited to only 1-2 days in a constantly rising (or falling) market. The profits gained in such a market far outweigh any small amounts of decay. For example, when held for the past 30 days SLV (silver ETF) price has risen 31.39% while its 2X leveraged version (AGQ), when also held for the same 30 days has gained 67.04%. Leveraged and inverse ETF positions require much oversight and monitoring. The danger lies in holding the position too long after price changes direction and continues to move in that direction.

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  • GoldFinger1969
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    @derryb said:
    The danger lies in holding the position too long after price changes direction and continues to move in that >direction.

    It's because as the time frame increases, the chances for volatility that increases on the up and downside increases....and while they might net out for a non-leveraged product, the losses and drawdowns can be accentuated to the negative with leverage.

    That's why many indices or ETFs are flat or up a bit....but a leveraged ETF will show sizeable losses.

  • GoldFinger1969
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    @coastaljerseyguy said:
    Why? Vermillion shelled out $60 grand and has to make money. Also do you think the refiners work for free, even if >there is little work to do with this big bar. Seems a lot of folks here bad mouth shops for trying to earn a living. Will >you give me $60K interest free?

    Not sure who or what Vermillion is....but I'm just a bit peeved that the LCSs in my area are now discounting by $6 the price you "get" when they calculate your "junk" silver. Seems arbitrary and came out of nowhere, although I understand the altitude fears as we crossed $50. I just think $6 is excessive and there are ways to hedge any big sales that don't require shafting the Little Guy. :)

  • DisneyFan
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    @GoldFinger1969 said:

    @coastaljerseyguy said:
    Why? Vermillion shelled out $60 grand and has to make money. Also do you think the refiners work for free, even if >there is little work to do with this big bar. Seems a lot of folks here bad mouth shops for trying to earn a living. Will >you give me $60K interest free?

    Not sure who or what Vermillion is....but I'm just a bit peeved that the LCSs in my area are now discounting by $6 the price you "get" when they calculate your "junk" silver. Seems arbitrary and came out of nowhere, although I understand the altitude fears as we crossed $50. I just think $6 is excessive and there are ways to hedge any big sales that don't require shafting the Little Guy. :)

    Vermillion Enterprises - Spring Hill, FL (near Tampa) - a coin shop housed in a Victorian Style double story blue stand-alone house. They even have a daily YouTube..

    What is really frustrating is the discounts charged by another Coin World's 100 Influential located a street corner away from one of the major currently accepting refiners which only does wholesale.

  • toadstrangler
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    COPPER is gutter !

  • derryb
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    Does anyone hear remeber history lessons?

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  • toadstrangler
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    @derryb said:
    Does anyone hear remeber history lessons?

    Shoe gonna drop?

    COPPER is gutter !

  • derryb
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    only if history rhymes.

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  • toadstrangler
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    @derryb said:
    only if history rhymes.

    A significant drop, correction, dip, whatever adjective one likes absolutely has to happen. That's a given.

    COPPER is gutter !

  • derryb
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    @softparade said:

    @derryb said:
    only if history rhymes.

    A significant drop, correction, dip, whatever adjective one likes absolutely has to happen. That's a given.

    and that's where paper comes in. My weapon of choice is ZSL.

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  • toadstrangler
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    edited December 28, 2025 2:02PM
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    B U C K L E U P !!!

    COPPER is gutter !

  • MsMorrisine
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    nothing like raising spot prices when the market is closed

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  • toadstrangler
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    @MsMorrisine said:
    nothing like raising spot prices when the market is closed

    It's pretty much unprecedented. Others doing the same now.

    BUCKLE UP

    COPPER is gutter !

  • UpGrayedd
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    @softparade said:
    B U C K L E U P !!!

    I just looked and JM Bullion has spot at $81.39.

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  • MsMorrisine
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    now they buy back at 10.50 back???

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  • toadstrangler
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    Overnight and tomorrow could be NUTS

    COPPER is gutter !

  • MsMorrisine
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    i think it will be without this retail sized sales

    remember the reddit run? we didn't have a 10% day that monday

    but i am expecting things to rise substantially anyway

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  • toadstrangler
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    edited December 28, 2025 4:11PM
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    BOOM!

    $82.48

    COPPER is gutter !

  • blitzdude
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    @softparade said:
    BOOM!

    $82.48

    Unless you got paper to sell you aint seeing anything near $82.48. Lulz. Boomz. THKS!

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
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  • jmski52
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    Volatility always increases the spreads, but I expect that both the buy & sell numbers of 90% will start moving above spot pretty soon. No biggie, it's expected.

    There will be paper bag holders when they can't roll their futures contracts over because Comex won't deliver. Stay tuned.

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