Not sure how many times it needs to be typed that Miami should have been over them all year and the the SEC and B!G championship game teams were not going to get left out
Its because ESPN doing EVERYTHING to sell Alabama over Notre Dame. 100% SEC BIAS.
The Committee has penalized teams in the past when it comes to CCG's. Heck, even FSU got left out two years ago for winning their Championship game. Bama got trounced and they have 3 losses.
Bowl season starts this Saturday. The LA bowl - Boise State vs Washington.
I like the Pinstripe bowl game matchup at Yankee stadium Clemson vs Penn State. Two teams ranked very high in the pre season then had disappointing seasons.
Also.....
Tennessee vs Illinois (played in Nashville).
Iowa vs Vanderbilt (great defense vs great offense)
Texas vs Michigan (two football powers only played twice)
Nebraska vs Utah
Sometimes it is hard to understand Basebal logic as it twists and turns to its inevitable convoluted conclusion. This is an interesting one.
James Marshall shouldn't be included although they met the criteria for inclusion.
10-2 Notre Dame should be eliminated despite the fact that they have won 10 straight as everyone else has been losing.
Alabama should be in despite losing 2 of their last 4 games and embarrassing the SEC in the Conference Championship.
Duke should be left out despite the fact that they are the ACC Champion.
Miami should be included despite not even playing in that ACC Championship game.
At what seems like an eternity ago, maybe 5-7 pages in this thread when the SOS and SOR debate was raging, I made the simple declaration that Strength of Schedule was really meaningless and changed constantly. I also said that the only time Strength of Record was really meaningful and helpful was at the end of the season. Well, the season ended Saturday night sometime between 11pm and midnight EDT after the Indiana victory. Sadly, the CFP Committee Members choosing these teams chose not to avail themselves of the important and simple data provided by that Strength of Records of these teams.
Winning your Conference doesn't have the highest value of everything. Playing poorly at the start of the season hurts more than playing inconsistently for the entire season. If you're from the right Conference it isn't important if your team plays good, sound football.
JMHO, but the media has been reminding all of us for the last 2-3 weeks that there were three teams who were "on the bubble" to us their term. On Sunday we saw the CFP conclusion: they included the wrong two, Alabama and Miami(Fla) while excluding the one that appears to be deserving, Notre Dame. As a bonus to us all they also managed to slip the high hard one to Duke.
Is it any surprise that some teams are choosing to opt out of Bowl Games?? I have no way of knowing but I believe that is done with at least some team/coaches/players input. With such an arbitrary selection process why should a team advertise for the NCAA and enrich all the sponsors?? Makes sense to me. And the NCAA is clueless in all this.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
An interesting closing line from a story I just read.
So, where do we go from here? College football is a great sport with a bad process to select and seed its postseason participants. And unless something changes with the actual procedural steps and the selection criteria, it’s impossible to trust. It’s a group of people picking teams they like — based on vibes— behind closed doors.
And that’s a problem.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
About Alabama, has there ever been another team in the playoff era that lost their first AND their last game and make the playoffs? My guess would be no.
My picks. I know we're a long way out but I don't think choosing winners in all this is that difficult. Besides, who cares if I'm wrong?? I'm just surprised so many of the other "expert know-it-all" members here are unwilling to do it. Trust me, that little bit of egg on your face will wipe off easily!!
Round One.
Alabama vs. Oklahoma --- Oklahoma.
Miami(Fla) vs. Texas A&M --- Texas A&M.
Tulane vs. Ole Miss --- Ole Miss.
James Madison vs. Oregon --- Oregon.
Quarterfinals
Texas A&M vs. Ohio State --- Ohio State.
Oregon vs. Texas Tech --- Oregon.
Oklahoma vs. Indiana --- Indiana.
Ole Miss vs. Georgia --- Georgia.
Semifinals
Oregon vs. Indiana --- Indiana.
Georgia vs. Ohio State --- Ohio State.
Championship
Indiana vs. Ohio State --- Ohio State.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
As can be seen in the NfL picked thread my picks fail to reach expert status. If you’re accepting “vibe picks” along with know it all picks let me know.
for me, the solution is not allowing #16 seeds into the basketball tournament. if the probability of you winning it all is zero, you shouldn't be in. period. otherwise, you're giving up a valuable spot to a team that is far more competitive. there are only 12 of them. so when John Quincy Adams or William Henry Harrison or Millard Fillmore or James Madison or whichever deceased president it is gets in, the CFP officially turns into amateur hour and all of a sudden we're handing out participation trophies. it should be the best 12 teams in the land taking off the gloves for all the marbles.......every single week. not the best 10 with two sacrificial lambs getting shanked in the first round. straight up ridiculous allowing Tulane & James Madison in. remove them and stick ND in.........a team that lost it's first two games by a combined 4 points to two ranked teams, then ran the table without a single team coming within 10 points of them. perhaps a team like Texas being the other inclusion. now imagine the playoffs with those 12 instead.
@galaxy27 said:
for me, the solution is not allowing #16 seeds into the basketball tournament. if the probability of you winning it all is zero, you shouldn't be in. period. otherwise, you're giving up a valuable spot to a team that is far more competitive. there are only 12 of them. so when John Quincy Adams or William Henry Harrison or Millard Fillmore or James Madison or whichever deceased president it is gets in, the CFP officially turns into amateur hour and all of a sudden we're handing out participation trophies. it should be the best 12 teams in the land taking off the gloves for all the marbles.......every single week. not the best 10 with two sacrificial lambs getting shanked in the first round. straight up ridiculous allowing Tulane & James Madison in. remove them and stick ND in.........a team that lost it's first two games by a combined 4 points to two ranked teams, then ran the table without a single team coming within 10 points of them. perhaps a team like Texas being the other inclusion. now imagine the playoffs with those 12 instead.
how sweet would that be?
I am waiting to see whether conference and playoff expansion ends up increasing the parity with other conferences over time. I expect this will take 5-10 years if it ever happens. Giving those teams, and conferences, the exposure is perhaps what is needed to influence this. The "field of dreams" algorithm.
I would say though, to your point galaxy, that if it was a 32 team CFP there would likely be the same unreasonable fans complaining about how there are "dangerous teams" being left out on the bubble for inferior conferences.
We're most likely going to see JMU and Tulane get embarrassed.
@galaxy27 said: the CFP officially turns into amateur hour and all of a sudden we're handing out participation trophies
That's pretty much what we have right now and it isn't just James Madison. Do you really think Alabama, Miami(Fl), Oklahoma, Ole Miss or Tulane have a chance to win the Natty?? They don't. But there is a mechanism in place to pick 12 teams for a playoff that is based in nothing, the criteria changes and that 12-person Committee does a lot of the selection process on a whim, who they personally "like" and what benefits their Conference. If they would get away totally from the idea that a Poll can somehow select the best teams we might be able to have a representative group of teams who have "earned" their way into the tournament.
How does it benefit the process to have 5 teams from a single Conference in the 12-team field other than to assure that one of them makes it into the final??? Heck, even one of the teams that played in that Conference's Championship game isn't 2nd best in the Conference. How does it benefit the process to leave out another major Conference Champion but allow a team from that Conference that wasn't even good enough to play in the Championship game??
I've made my feeling known all season but everyone wants "their team(s)" to be included so they'll twist everything to make that seem like what should happen. The only solution, and the one that makes sense, is to get rid of any Poll related choices and have hard and fast rules for who qualifies and how many teams there will be in the Tournament. Then the teams play the games and what we're left with is a field of teams that earned their way in according to the rules.
They do it in the NFL and I never hear anyone complain.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
The rules in college football would be incredibly difficult to construct. When there was a national championship... it was about the 3rd team getting left out. They addressed that with the 4 team playoff. Not good enough. The 5th and 6th teams were left out. Now we have a 12 team playoff and we're talking about spots 10 through 12. It may never end. Maybe I don't want it to.
@Maywood said:
My picks. I know we're a long way out but I don't think choosing winners in all this is that difficult. Besides, who cares if I'm wrong?? I'm just surprised so many of the other "expert know-it-all" members here are unwilling to do it. Trust me, that little bit of egg on your face will wipe off easily!!
Round One.
Alabama vs. Oklahoma --- Oklahoma.
Miami(Fla) vs. Texas A&M --- Texas A&M.
Tulane vs. Ole Miss --- Ole Miss.
James Madison vs. Oregon --- Oregon.
Quarterfinals
Texas A&M vs. Ohio State --- Ohio State.
Oregon vs. Texas Tech --- Oregon.
Oklahoma vs. Indiana --- Indiana.
Ole Miss vs. Georgia --- Georgia.
Semifinals
Oregon vs. Indiana --- Indiana.
Georgia vs. Ohio State --- Ohio State.
Championship
Indiana vs. Ohio State --- Ohio State.
I think Alabama beats Oklahoma, other than that I like your predictions
How does it benefit the process to have 5 teams from a single Conference in the 12-team field other than to assure that one of them makes it into the final??? Heck, even one of the teams that played in that Conference's Championship game isn't 2nd best in the Conference.
Great point. If you watched their last few games, I dont think anyone felt that Alabama was one of the two best teams in the sec. I think this years committee is on crack putting in two group of five teams, and a 3 loss Alabama team who played poorly in their last several games.
Heck, just 4 years ago James Madison was an FCS school.
Watching the highlights from the Alabama vs. Georgia game brought two things to the forefront for me. Understanding that Georgia has a very good defense, how does Alabama end the game with -3 yards rushing?? And to the subject of Ty Simpson, what was all the hype about him earlier in the season about being a Heisman Contender??
I’ve been saying it all season, the SEC is packed with overrated teams. The truth is soon to be revealed.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
That's pretty much what we have right now and it isn't just James Madison. Do you really think Alabama, Miami(Fl), Oklahoma, Ole Miss or Tulane have a chance to win the Natty?? They don't.
i cannot say with complete conviction that Bama, Miami, Oklahoma, and Ole Miss have no chance of winning the chip, no
but what i can say is that i'd be willing to put my life and yours on the line without hesitation that Tulane and James MonroeJames Buchanan James Madison are each going to lose their final game of the season
Ole Miss lost one game this season. that was to the team that's arguably the most dangerous right now -- Georgia. the Dawgs have given up a grand total of 26 points to three ranked teams in the past month. Ole Miss had them on the ropes in their own crib. if Kiffin had stayed, they'd be a team no one would want to play. heck, they may still be. those kids may play wounded. but comparing their CFP prospects to Tulane's and James Polk's James Garfield's James Madison's is kinda sorta foolish. and that's because....
know who else the Rebels played this season? the aforementioned Tulane. you know, the team they're playing in the first round. know what the score was back on Sept 20? shall i may you look it up or save you the effort? it's the holiday season, so i'll play nice.
Ole Miss 45
Tulane 10
instead of a compelling matchup like Ole MIss-Notre Dame or Ole Miss-Texas, we're running it back with the Green Wave. yippee aye ay, cow patti. if i never see 45-10 or anything remotely close to it in the college football playoffs, it will be too soon. it's the height of absurdity to have those two inferior teams wasting away two spots on the sport's biggest stage, and that's my point
@galaxy27 said: the team that's arguably the most dangerous right now -- Georgia.
Georgia has a good defense, no doubt one of the top defenses in the NCAA this season. But there offense is lacking. As dominant as that win over Alabama was, it really came down to a blocked punt and a Simpson Int. The Georgia offense doesn't really scare me. Check the team stats against Alabama and then look one week back against Georgia Tech where they eked out a 7 point win with 70 yards in passing. In both games they were held to under 300 yards of offense. Georgia seems to have trouble moving the ball.
But this is the playoffs where anything can and often does happen, so the Bulldogs might run the table. Looking at the bracket, the CFP committee should probably just have put Georgia in the semifinals. Their choice will be Tulane or Ole Miss who's sure to be in disarray, thank you Lane Kiffin.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Not sure how many times it needs to be typed that Miami should have been over them all year and the the SEC and B!G championship game teams were not going to get left out
Its because ESPN doing EVERYTHING to sell Alabama over Notre Dame. 100% SEC BIAS.
The Committee has penalized teams in the past when it comes to CCG's. Heck, even FSU got left out two years ago for winning their Championship game. Bama got trounced and they have 3 losses.
Not even close.
FSU was left out because their stud QB got hurt and they wouldnt be competitive in a 4 team playoff.
People that know college football know ND should have never been ranked over Miami. People also know that going 1-1 against GA and making the SEC championship shouldnt punish you
That's pretty much what we have right now and it isn't just James Madison. Do you really think Alabama, Miami(Fl), Oklahoma, Ole Miss or Tulane have a chance to win the Natty?? They don't.
i cannot say with complete conviction that Bama, Miami, Oklahoma, and Ole Miss have no chance of winning the chip, no
but what i can say is that i'd be willing to put my life and yours on the line without hesitation that Tulane and James MonroeJames Buchanan James Madison are each going to lose their final game of the season
Ole Miss lost one game this season. that was to the team that's arguably the most dangerous right now -- Georgia. the Dawgs have given up a grand total of 26 points to three ranked teams in the past month. Ole Miss had them on the ropes in their own crib. if Kiffin had stayed, they'd be a team no one would want to play. heck, they may still be. those kids may play wounded. but comparing their CFP prospects to Tulane's and James Polk's James Garfield's James Madison's is kinda sorta foolish. and that's because....
know who else the Rebels played this season? the aforementioned Tulane. you know, the team they're playing in the first round. know what the score was back on Sept 20? shall i may you look it up or save you the effort? it's the holiday season, so i'll play nice.
Ole Miss 45
Tulane 10
instead of a compelling matchup like Ole MIss-Notre Dame or Ole Miss-Texas, we're running it back with the Green Wave. yippee aye ay, cow patti. if i never see 45-10 or anything remotely close to it in the college football playoffs, it will be too soon. it's the height of absurdity to have those two inferior teams wasting away two spots on the sport's biggest stage, and that's my point
The first four teams with Bama, Miami, OU, and Ole Miss could certainty win it
Tulane maybe could with it all a couple miracles but theres a better chance of winning the Powerball than that happening. Tulane did get smashed by Ole Miss, but they also beat Duke, Memphis and North Texas. They almost certainly wont win it all but they arent a tomato can either
Not sure how many times it needs to be typed that Miami should have been over them all year and the the SEC and B!G championship game teams were not going to get left out
Its because ESPN doing EVERYTHING to sell Alabama over Notre Dame. 100% SEC BIAS.
The Committee has penalized teams in the past when it comes to CCG's. Heck, even FSU got left out two years ago for winning their Championship game. Bama got trounced and they have 3 losses.
Not even close.
FSU was left out because their stud QB got hurt and they wouldnt be competitive in a 4 team playoff.
People that know college football know ND should have never been ranked over Miami. People also know that going 1-1 against GA and making the SEC championship shouldnt punish you
Totally untrue. In the past the committee has indeed punished teams for making the championship game. 2023 Georgia and 2017 Auburn are two examples. So yes, Bama should've been punished for just showing up.
2023 FSU won every game they played, even with their backup QB. They shouldn't have been punished.
Not sure how many times it needs to be typed that Miami should have been over them all year and the the SEC and B!G championship game teams were not going to get left out
Its because ESPN doing EVERYTHING to sell Alabama over Notre Dame. 100% SEC BIAS.
The Committee has penalized teams in the past when it comes to CCG's. Heck, even FSU got left out two years ago for winning their Championship game. Bama got trounced and they have 3 losses.
Not even close.
FSU was left out because their stud QB got hurt and they wouldnt be competitive in a 4 team playoff.
People that know college football know ND should have never been ranked over Miami. People also know that going 1-1 against GA and making the SEC championship shouldnt punish you
Totally untrue. In the past the committee has indeed punished teams for making the championship game. 2023 Georgia and 2017 Auburn are two examples. So yes, Bama should've been punished for just showing up.
2023 FSU won every game they played, even with their backup QB. They shouldn't have been punished.
Not sure how many times it needs to be typed that Miami should have been over them all year and the the SEC and B!G championship game teams were not going to get left out
Its because ESPN doing EVERYTHING to sell Alabama over Notre Dame. 100% SEC BIAS.
The Committee has penalized teams in the past when it comes to CCG's. Heck, even FSU got left out two years ago for winning their Championship game. Bama got trounced and they have 3 losses.
Not even close.
FSU was left out because their stud QB got hurt and they wouldnt be competitive in a 4 team playoff.
People that know college football know ND should have never been ranked over Miami. People also know that going 1-1 against GA and making the SEC championship shouldnt punish you
Totally untrue. In the past the committee has indeed punished teams for making the championship game. 2023 Georgia and 2017 Auburn are two examples. So yes, Bama should've been punished for just showing up.
2023 FSU won every game they played, even with their backup QB. They shouldn't have been punished.
So what? You're stuck on repeat.
If you dont like my posts, dont post in my thread. Simple solution.
Not sure how many times it needs to be typed that Miami should have been over them all year and the the SEC and B!G championship game teams were not going to get left out
Its because ESPN doing EVERYTHING to sell Alabama over Notre Dame. 100% SEC BIAS.
The Committee has penalized teams in the past when it comes to CCG's. Heck, even FSU got left out two years ago for winning their Championship game. Bama got trounced and they have 3 losses.
Not even close.
FSU was left out because their stud QB got hurt and they wouldnt be competitive in a 4 team playoff.
People that know college football know ND should have never been ranked over Miami. People also know that going 1-1 against GA and making the SEC championship shouldnt punish you
Totally untrue. In the past the committee has indeed punished teams for making the championship game. 2023 Georgia and 2017 Auburn are two examples. So yes, Bama should've been punished for just showing up.
2023 FSU won every game they played, even with their backup QB. They shouldn't have been punished.
So what? You're stuck on repeat.
If you dont like my posts, dont post in my thread. Simple solution.
You just keep repeating yourself and it comes off like whining. We can't talk about something... share our opinions and move on. You just keep going back to the start and complaining about the same thing. I'm totally fine with it. I just repeat my responses to you.
I’m curious why so many fans are constantly mad about the playoff selection process but always want Polls and Committees to choose who gets to play in the tournament. Almost half the participants this season did nothing to “earn” their way in, they were voted in. Even though I can find some sympathy for Notre Dame it’s time for them to swallow their pride and join a Conference.
The NCAA tried to fix the antiquated AP Poll selection process starting 27 years ago with the BCS and the CFP. It’s time to abandon any Poll based system.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
If they can’t get to a point in the next few years where there are 5 quality conference champs people are going to be calling for change… and not just on social media. The SEC plan for 16 teams and no automatic bids seems to align best with what people seem to want.
Alabama got trounced against Georgia, and didn't move down any spots in the rankings, as they were #9 the week before. So other teams that got left out have every right to feel like they got robbed. As the saying goes, if you are an sec team, a loss is as good as a win. Or in Alabama's case a bad loss is as good as a win.
@perkdog said:
I believe Alabama is going to get past Oklahoma, A&M should get past Miami as well
I think James Madison gives Oregon a better game than most people think
I wouldnt hold my breath on that JMU one. Their conferences was legitimately terrible this year. Souther Miss, Rajin Cajuins, and App State were all down this year
Louisville easily handled them. Moore isnt that good and could make it more interesting than it should be, but Oregon is so much more talented at basically every position it shouldnt matter unless he throws like 5 picks
Not sure how many times it needs to be typed that Miami should have been over them all year and the the SEC and B!G championship game teams were not going to get left out
Its because ESPN doing EVERYTHING to sell Alabama over Notre Dame. 100% SEC BIAS.
The Committee has penalized teams in the past when it comes to CCG's. Heck, even FSU got left out two years ago for winning their Championship game. Bama got trounced and they have 3 losses.
Not even close.
FSU was left out because their stud QB got hurt and they wouldnt be competitive in a 4 team playoff.
People that know college football know ND should have never been ranked over Miami. People also know that going 1-1 against GA and making the SEC championship shouldnt punish you
Totally untrue. In the past the committee has indeed punished teams for making the championship game. 2023 Georgia and 2017 Auburn are two examples. So yes, Bama should've been punished for just showing up.
2023 FSU won every game they played, even with their backup QB. They shouldn't have been punished.
Once again the SEC AND the B!G made it perfectly clear they do not want their championship participants punished for the extra in the 12 team format. The 4 team was a little different.
FSU lost to Georgia by 60 the year they were left out theres no claim to that
@coolstanley said:
Alabama got trounced against Georgia, and didn't move down any spots in the rankings, as they were #9 the week before. So other teams that got left out have every right to feel like they got robbed. As the saying goes, if you are an sec team, a loss is as good as a win. Or in Alabama's case a bad loss is as good as a win.
Honestly how many times does this have to be explained to you and how many times are you going ignore the fact that Bama beat GA earlier in the year, as well as Vandy Mizzou and Tennessee
Once again the only team that has a legitimize claim is Duke. The ACC champion got left out for the Sun Belt Champion.
And realistically if it wasnt for the 5 conference champions having to get in Tulane and JMU are both out and Texas and Vandy are in.
SoCal is Notre Dames only good win and Pitt would be the next best. They lost to Miami, they lost at home to A&M. and beat up on Purdue/Army/Navy/Stanford/Syracuse which isnt impressive at all
I think that what I am hearing is that Alabama should be out and.
Notre Dame or
BYU or
Vandy or
Texas or
Utah or
USC or
Michigan or
Virginia or
Arizona or
Navy or
North Texas or
Georgia Tech or
Missouri
kind of deserve it more. so it's probably Alabama should be out and ND should be in. I really wouldn't care if that was what the CFP selected. But as far as JMU and Tulane... rules is rules. So I don't get why it keeps coming up over and over and over. It's a lot of energy about a coin flip.
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Its because ESPN doing EVERYTHING to sell Alabama over Notre Dame. 100% SEC BIAS.
The Committee has penalized teams in the past when it comes to CCG's. Heck, even FSU got left out two years ago for winning their Championship game. Bama got trounced and they have 3 losses.
2025 SEC bowl record 4-10
SEC bowl record vs BIG TEN last two years 2-8
Bowl season starts this Saturday. The LA bowl - Boise State vs Washington.
I like the Pinstripe bowl game matchup at Yankee stadium Clemson vs Penn State. Two teams ranked very high in the pre season then had disappointing seasons.
Also.....
Tennessee vs Illinois (played in Nashville).
Iowa vs Vanderbilt (great defense vs great offense)
Texas vs Michigan (two football powers only played twice)
Nebraska vs Utah
2025 SEC bowl record 4-10
SEC bowl record vs BIG TEN last two years 2-8
Sometimes it is hard to understand Basebal logic as it twists and turns to its inevitable convoluted conclusion. This is an interesting one.
James Marshall shouldn't be included although they met the criteria for inclusion.
10-2 Notre Dame should be eliminated despite the fact that they have won 10 straight as everyone else has been losing.
Alabama should be in despite losing 2 of their last 4 games and embarrassing the SEC in the Conference Championship.
Duke should be left out despite the fact that they are the ACC Champion.
Miami should be included despite not even playing in that ACC Championship game.
At what seems like an eternity ago, maybe 5-7 pages in this thread when the SOS and SOR debate was raging, I made the simple declaration that Strength of Schedule was really meaningless and changed constantly. I also said that the only time Strength of Record was really meaningful and helpful was at the end of the season. Well, the season ended Saturday night sometime between 11pm and midnight EDT after the Indiana victory. Sadly, the CFP Committee Members choosing these teams chose not to avail themselves of the important and simple data provided by that Strength of Records of these teams.
Winning your Conference doesn't have the highest value of everything. Playing poorly at the start of the season hurts more than playing inconsistently for the entire season. If you're from the right Conference it isn't important if your team plays good, sound football.
JMHO, but the media has been reminding all of us for the last 2-3 weeks that there were three teams who were "on the bubble" to us their term. On Sunday we saw the CFP conclusion: they included the wrong two, Alabama and Miami(Fla) while excluding the one that appears to be deserving, Notre Dame. As a bonus to us all they also managed to slip the high hard one to Duke.
Is it any surprise that some teams are choosing to opt out of Bowl Games?? I have no way of knowing but I believe that is done with at least some team/coaches/players input. With such an arbitrary selection process why should a team advertise for the NCAA and enrich all the sponsors?? Makes sense to me. And the NCAA is clueless in all this.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Are we done crying about ND finally?
An interesting closing line from a story I just read.
So, where do we go from here? College football is a great sport with a bad process to select and seed its postseason participants. And unless something changes with the actual procedural steps and the selection criteria, it’s impossible to trust. It’s a group of people picking teams they like — based on vibes— behind closed doors.
And that’s a problem.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
About Alabama, has there ever been another team in the playoff era that lost their first AND their last game and make the playoffs? My guess would be no.
2025 SEC bowl record 4-10
SEC bowl record vs BIG TEN last two years 2-8
The bold adds legitimacy. I guess we need more time to heal still.
My picks. I know we're a long way out but I don't think choosing winners in all this is that difficult. Besides, who cares if I'm wrong?? I'm just surprised so many of the other "expert know-it-all" members here are unwilling to do it. Trust me, that little bit of egg on your face will wipe off easily!!
Round One.
Alabama vs. Oklahoma --- Oklahoma.
Miami(Fla) vs. Texas A&M --- Texas A&M.
Tulane vs. Ole Miss --- Ole Miss.
James Madison vs. Oregon --- Oregon.
Quarterfinals
Texas A&M vs. Ohio State --- Ohio State.
Oregon vs. Texas Tech --- Oregon.
Oklahoma vs. Indiana --- Indiana.
Ole Miss vs. Georgia --- Georgia.
Semifinals
Oregon vs. Indiana --- Indiana.
Georgia vs. Ohio State --- Ohio State.
Championship
Indiana vs. Ohio State --- Ohio State.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
As can be seen in the NfL picked thread my picks fail to reach expert status. If you’re accepting “vibe picks” along with know it all picks let me know.
for me, the solution is not allowing #16 seeds into the basketball tournament. if the probability of you winning it all is zero, you shouldn't be in. period. otherwise, you're giving up a valuable spot to a team that is far more competitive. there are only 12 of them. so when John Quincy Adams or William Henry Harrison or Millard Fillmore or James Madison or whichever deceased president it is gets in, the CFP officially turns into amateur hour and all of a sudden we're handing out participation trophies. it should be the best 12 teams in the land taking off the gloves for all the marbles.......every single week. not the best 10 with two sacrificial lambs getting shanked in the first round. straight up ridiculous allowing Tulane & James Madison in. remove them and stick ND in.........a team that lost it's first two games by a combined 4 points to two ranked teams, then ran the table without a single team coming within 10 points of them. perhaps a team like Texas being the other inclusion. now imagine the playoffs with those 12 instead.
how sweet would that be?
I am waiting to see whether conference and playoff expansion ends up increasing the parity with other conferences over time. I expect this will take 5-10 years if it ever happens. Giving those teams, and conferences, the exposure is perhaps what is needed to influence this. The "field of dreams" algorithm.
I would say though, to your point galaxy, that if it was a 32 team CFP there would likely be the same unreasonable fans complaining about how there are "dangerous teams" being left out on the bubble for inferior conferences.
We're most likely going to see JMU and Tulane get embarrassed.
@galaxy27 said: the CFP officially turns into amateur hour and all of a sudden we're handing out participation trophies
That's pretty much what we have right now and it isn't just James Madison. Do you really think Alabama, Miami(Fl), Oklahoma, Ole Miss or Tulane have a chance to win the Natty?? They don't. But there is a mechanism in place to pick 12 teams for a playoff that is based in nothing, the criteria changes and that 12-person Committee does a lot of the selection process on a whim, who they personally "like" and what benefits their Conference. If they would get away totally from the idea that a Poll can somehow select the best teams we might be able to have a representative group of teams who have "earned" their way into the tournament.
How does it benefit the process to have 5 teams from a single Conference in the 12-team field other than to assure that one of them makes it into the final??? Heck, even one of the teams that played in that Conference's Championship game isn't 2nd best in the Conference. How does it benefit the process to leave out another major Conference Champion but allow a team from that Conference that wasn't even good enough to play in the Championship game??
I've made my feeling known all season but everyone wants "their team(s)" to be included so they'll twist everything to make that seem like what should happen. The only solution, and the one that makes sense, is to get rid of any Poll related choices and have hard and fast rules for who qualifies and how many teams there will be in the Tournament. Then the teams play the games and what we're left with is a field of teams that earned their way in according to the rules.
They do it in the NFL and I never hear anyone complain.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
The rules in college football would be incredibly difficult to construct. When there was a national championship... it was about the 3rd team getting left out. They addressed that with the 4 team playoff. Not good enough. The 5th and 6th teams were left out. Now we have a 12 team playoff and we're talking about spots 10 through 12. It may never end. Maybe I don't want it to.
I think Alabama beats Oklahoma, other than that I like your predictions
I think Texas Tech beats Oregon. I think Indiana beats Alabama. I want to see how A&M responds.
Great point. If you watched their last few games, I dont think anyone felt that Alabama was one of the two best teams in the sec. I think this years committee is on crack putting in two group of five teams, and a 3 loss Alabama team who played poorly in their last several games.
Heck, just 4 years ago James Madison was an FCS school.
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If the old BCS system was in place. Notice Notre Dame is two spots higher than Alabama.
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Watching the highlights from the Alabama vs. Georgia game brought two things to the forefront for me. Understanding that Georgia has a very good defense, how does Alabama end the game with -3 yards rushing?? And to the subject of Ty Simpson, what was all the hype about him earlier in the season about being a Heisman Contender??
I’ve been saying it all season, the SEC is packed with overrated teams. The truth is soon to be revealed.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I don't understand how it could be calculated. The BCS rankings were based on polls that haven't existed in a decade.
@coolstanley, with those rankings I think there would be some much better Bowl Game pairings.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
i cannot say with complete conviction that Bama, Miami, Oklahoma, and Ole Miss have no chance of winning the chip, no
but what i can say is that i'd be willing to put my life and yours on the line without hesitation that Tulane and James Monroe James Buchanan James Madison are each going to lose their final game of the season
Ole Miss lost one game this season. that was to the team that's arguably the most dangerous right now -- Georgia. the Dawgs have given up a grand total of 26 points to three ranked teams in the past month. Ole Miss had them on the ropes in their own crib. if Kiffin had stayed, they'd be a team no one would want to play. heck, they may still be. those kids may play wounded. but comparing their CFP prospects to Tulane's and James Polk's James Garfield's James Madison's is kinda sorta foolish. and that's because....
know who else the Rebels played this season? the aforementioned Tulane. you know, the team they're playing in the first round. know what the score was back on Sept 20? shall i may you look it up or save you the effort? it's the holiday season, so i'll play nice.
Ole Miss 45
Tulane 10
instead of a compelling matchup like Ole MIss-Notre Dame or Ole Miss-Texas, we're running it back with the Green Wave. yippee aye ay, cow patti. if i never see 45-10 or anything remotely close to it in the college football playoffs, it will be too soon. it's the height of absurdity to have those two inferior teams wasting away two spots on the sport's biggest stage, and that's my point
@galaxy27 said: the team that's arguably the most dangerous right now -- Georgia.
Georgia has a good defense, no doubt one of the top defenses in the NCAA this season. But there offense is lacking. As dominant as that win over Alabama was, it really came down to a blocked punt and a Simpson Int. The Georgia offense doesn't really scare me. Check the team stats against Alabama and then look one week back against Georgia Tech where they eked out a 7 point win with 70 yards in passing. In both games they were held to under 300 yards of offense. Georgia seems to have trouble moving the ball.
But this is the playoffs where anything can and often does happen, so the Bulldogs might run the table. Looking at the bracket, the CFP committee should probably just have put Georgia in the semifinals. Their choice will be Tulane or Ole Miss who's sure to be in disarray, thank you Lane Kiffin.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Not even close.
FSU was left out because their stud QB got hurt and they wouldnt be competitive in a 4 team playoff.
People that know college football know ND should have never been ranked over Miami. People also know that going 1-1 against GA and making the SEC championship shouldnt punish you
Fire AJ Preller
not to inject gambling into the conversation, but look at the lines for the first round wave
two games that are evenly matched -- relatively (A&M vs Miami) and perfectly (Bama vs OU) -- which i love
and two that are......not so much, which i personally loathe with a passion
The first four teams with Bama, Miami, OU, and Ole Miss could certainty win it
Tulane maybe could with it all a couple miracles but theres a better chance of winning the Powerball than that happening. Tulane did get smashed by Ole Miss, but they also beat Duke, Memphis and North Texas. They almost certainly wont win it all but they arent a tomato can either
JMU has a less than 0 percent chance
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Realistically, Alabama and Oklahoma can't both win the Natty or even play in the final since they play each other in round 1.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
No two teams can win the Natty. Only one can. Both are capable of it
Fire AJ Preller
I believe Alabama is going to get past Oklahoma, A&M should get past Miami as well
I think James Madison gives Oregon a better game than most people think
Totally untrue. In the past the committee has indeed punished teams for making the championship game. 2023 Georgia and 2017 Auburn are two examples. So yes, Bama should've been punished for just showing up.
2023 FSU won every game they played, even with their backup QB. They shouldn't have been punished.
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So what? You're stuck on repeat.
SP+, F+, FEI, FPI, & Sagarin all have ND 5-6 spots higher than Alabama.
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If you dont like my posts, dont post in my thread. Simple solution.
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You just keep repeating yourself and it comes off like whining. We can't talk about something... share our opinions and move on. You just keep going back to the start and complaining about the same thing. I'm totally fine with it. I just repeat my responses to you.
I can see why maywood put the ignore switch on the guy above. He complains more than a woman. Now back to more news and debate.....
Julian Sayin is Ohio State's seventh Heisman finalist since 2018.
Its too bad we wont get to see Jeremiyah Love in the playoffs.
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More than a woman? Yikes.
Love is declaring for the draft I think, I doubt he would have played if ND made it in?
Maybe he would idk but wouldn't surprise me if he checked out
I dont think he would've sat out at a shot at a natty.
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I’m curious why so many fans are constantly mad about the playoff selection process but always want Polls and Committees to choose who gets to play in the tournament. Almost half the participants this season did nothing to “earn” their way in, they were voted in. Even though I can find some sympathy for Notre Dame it’s time for them to swallow their pride and join a Conference.
The NCAA tried to fix the antiquated AP Poll selection process starting 27 years ago with the BCS and the CFP. It’s time to abandon any Poll based system.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
If they can’t get to a point in the next few years where there are 5 quality conference champs people are going to be calling for change… and not just on social media. The SEC plan for 16 teams and no automatic bids seems to align best with what people seem to want.
Alabama got trounced against Georgia, and didn't move down any spots in the rankings, as they were #9 the week before. So other teams that got left out have every right to feel like they got robbed. As the saying goes, if you are an sec team, a loss is as good as a win. Or in Alabama's case a bad loss is as good as a win.
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Post CFP discussions here have the possibility of being quite interesting.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
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I wouldnt hold my breath on that JMU one. Their conferences was legitimately terrible this year. Souther Miss, Rajin Cajuins, and App State were all down this year
Louisville easily handled them. Moore isnt that good and could make it more interesting than it should be, but Oregon is so much more talented at basically every position it shouldnt matter unless he throws like 5 picks
Fire AJ Preller
Once again the SEC AND the B!G made it perfectly clear they do not want their championship participants punished for the extra in the 12 team format. The 4 team was a little different.
FSU lost to Georgia by 60 the year they were left out theres no claim to that
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You usually dont get opt outs for the playoffs unless its an injury thing. He almost certainly would have opted out of a bowl game though
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Honestly how many times does this have to be explained to you and how many times are you going ignore the fact that Bama beat GA earlier in the year, as well as Vandy Mizzou and Tennessee
Once again the only team that has a legitimize claim is Duke. The ACC champion got left out for the Sun Belt Champion.
And realistically if it wasnt for the 5 conference champions having to get in Tulane and JMU are both out and Texas and Vandy are in.
SoCal is Notre Dames only good win and Pitt would be the next best. They lost to Miami, they lost at home to A&M. and beat up on Purdue/Army/Navy/Stanford/Syracuse which isnt impressive at all
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I think that what I am hearing is that Alabama should be out and.
Notre Dame or
BYU or
Vandy or
Texas or
Utah or
USC or
Michigan or
Virginia or
Arizona or
Navy or
North Texas or
Georgia Tech or
Missouri
kind of deserve it more. so it's probably Alabama should be out and ND should be in. I really wouldn't care if that was what the CFP selected. But as far as JMU and Tulane... rules is rules. So I don't get why it keeps coming up over and over and over. It's a lot of energy about a coin flip.