I'm not sure him taking on play calling duties is going to help him out if they continue to put up little points. I believe he was only the offensive coordinator in the past because the coaches above/around him got fired in MIA and NO.
Campbell took over play calling during his first season with Detroit, in 2021. They were 0-8 at the time. After he did so, the team scored 29+ four times after not reaching 20 even once before. Goff finished with 11 TDs and 2 INT in his last five games.
Campbell has openly said he messed up with his decisions against Philly. I didn't hate every 4th down try but some of the actual calls were awful on both 3rd and 4th down. Shame that they wasted an amazing effort by the Detroit defense and a career receiving day from Gibbs.
And, no, I have not forgiven Campbell for blowing the NFC title against SF.
I'm not sure him taking on play calling duties is going to help him out if they continue to put up little points. I believe he was only the offensive coordinator in the past because the coaches above/around him got fired in MIA and NO.
Campbell took over play calling during his first season with Detroit, in 2021. They were 0-8 at the time. After he did so, the team scored 29+ four times after not reaching 20 even once before. Goff finished with 11 TDs and 2 INT in his last five games.
Campbell has openly said he messed up with his decisions against Philly. I didn't hate every 4th down try but some of the actual calls were awful on both 3rd and 4th down. Shame that they wasted an amazing effort by the Detroit defense and a career receiving day from Gibbs.
And, no, I have not forgiven Campbell for blowing the NFC title against SF.
I'm glad you mentioned that NFC Championship game against SF
Field Goals aren’t for sissies in the modern NFL but Dan Campbell is old school. I think he probably regrets not kicking but I have always felt that a FG is a reward for failure.
The object of football is to cross the other team’s goal line so a part of my core salutes Campbell for making the stand and going for it.
In the modern NFL a team no longer has to cross the goal line, they only need to reach the 40 to win.
Winning games is what counts in the NFL. Campbell needs to get his head out of his posterior and stop taking risks when odds are too long. The Lions have a very good team. It is not a great team as shown by the number of times this season they have lost games where they weren’t really competitive. Campbell could have been higher in the standings if he had laid off of taking long odds risks of going for it on 4th and 5 and taken the three points.
Winning gives you home field advantage in the playoffs, which can be huge. It’s definitely better than playing on the road in some stadiums, especially Seattle and Kanas City.
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Field Goals aren’t for sissies in the modern NFL but Dan Campbell is old school. I think he probably regrets not kicking but I have always felt that a FG is a reward for failure.
The object of football is to cross the other team’s goal line so a part of my core salutes Campbell for making the stand and going for it.
In the modern NFL a team no longer has to cross the goal line, they only need to reach the 40 to win.
Winning games is what counts in the NFL. Campbell needs to get his head out of his posterior and stop taking risks when odds are too long. The Lions have a very good team. It is not a great team as shown by the number of times this season they have lost games where they weren’t really competitive. Campbell could have been higher in the standings if he had laid off of taking long odds risks of going for it on 4th and 5 and taken the three points.
Winning gives you home field advantage in the playoffs, which can be huge. It’s definitely better than playing on the road in some stadiums, especially Seattle and Kanas City.
Exactly
Dan Campbell is an idiot, I hope his decision making costs Detroit in the playoffs and he gets fired for it
@estang said:
I'm taking Campbell over Siriani to out-dumb the other with inexplicable coaching decisions.
That said, Siriani is closing the gap after the last two very late-game decisions the past two weeks.
The thing is that these moronic decisions already cost Dan Campbell a chance to play in the Super Bowl after he refused to take multiple FG attempts on 4th down to stay comfortably ahead of SF, he failed every time and SF win 34-31
The guy is an idiot and is wasting Detroit's best chances,, if I'm the owner I'm firing him
Campbell seems to have this macho attitude that field goals are for sissies. Taking a chance on 4th down no and then might make sense, but he has made a habit of it.
In the mean time, other teams have field goal kickers who can hit from 60 yards out, and they are winning games.
It's also interesting to note that the Eagles' "tush push" is turning into “the fall on your butt” play. Not only have they failed to make it work recently, but they are now seem to be prone to illegal motion penalties, which don't get called sometimes.
It's more than just not kicking FG's it's going for it on your own 40 too
0-5 in 4th down attempts against Philly and they lose a tight game.
Look at what happened between those 2 idiots Quinn and McDaniels in Spain Sunday morning, it's a shame one of them won since they both deserved to. lose
The "Dan Campbell Incident" is reminiscent of a few years ago when Harbaugh insisted on going for the 2-point win instead of the tie to push games to OT. It kept Baltimore from making the playoffs.
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@Maywood said:
The "Dan Campbell Incident" is reminiscent of a few years ago when Harbaugh insisted on going for the 2-point win instead of the tie to push games to OT. It kept Baltimore from making the playoffs.
Dan Campbell is a riverboat gambler, with emphasis on 'gambler.' he really does have the mentality of one. instead of cutting his losses, he doubles, triples, quadruples and -- in the case of last Sunday night -- quintuples down, even when he is threatened by common sense and logic.
as i said above, i love the aggression and faith in his offense. but if you watched that game, it became crystal clear that 4th down conversions against that Philly D (and the wind) were going to be few and far between that night. not to mention, his defense was playing great. but playing the field position game or taking virtually guaranteed points were never options for him.
it was like trying to yank your buddy from the roulette table while he's out of his mind trying to recoup losses....................it just wasn't going to happen
Since Campbell has expressed such a willingness to take these kind of risks it defies logic that he wouldn't have special type plays for the times he'll go for it. I mean, he should have the kind of stuff that the opponents just can't be prepared for.
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@Maywood said:
Since Campbell has expressed such a willingness to take these kind of risks it defies logic that he wouldn't have special type plays for the times he'll go for it. I mean, he should have the kind of stuff that the opponents just can't be prepared for.
@galaxy27 said:
Dan Campbell is a riverboat gambler, with emphasis on 'gambler.' he really does have the mentality of one. instead of cutting his losses, he doubles, triples, quadruples and -- in the case of last Sunday night -- quintuples down, even when he is threatened by common sense and logic.
as i said above, i love the aggression and faith in his offense. but if you watched that game, it became crystal clear that 4th down conversions against that Philly D (and the wind) were going to be few and far between that night. not to mention, his defense was playing great. but playing the field position game or taking virtually guaranteed points were never options for him.
it was like trying to yank your buddy from the roulette table while he's out of his mind trying to recoup losses....................it just wasn't going to happen
The funny thing to add is after he loses a game and he is speaking at the podium post game is whenever a reporter mentions the stupid going for it on 4th in your own territory or not taking an easy FG but instead getting stuffed and handing the ball. over to other team is when he says "That's who we are"
New England just caught a huge break with the NFL upholding their decision to suspend Ja’Marr Chase for this weekend’s Bengals/Pats game.
No Chase and probably no Trey Hendrickson either, who’s dealing with an injury and doubtful to play on Sunday.
That is big, although I like to get wins against full strength competent teams to gauge how good we really are, you got to take what you can get in the NFL
The standings just don't care how strong your opponents are
@perkdog said:
That is big, although I like to get wins against full strength competent teams to gauge how good we really are, you got to take what you can get in the NFL
The standings just don't care how strong your opponents are
Normally I would agree but we’re also going to be down Milton Williams & Kayshon Boutte. Those two are just as equally important to this current Pats team as Chase & Hendrickson are to the Bengals.
I don’t follow the Bengals enough to know who will be filling in for those two stars but in NE’s case it will mostly be two untested rookies in Farmer & Kyle Williams.
Campbell was a big part of turning the Lions around. His aggressive, physical, style of football... His you got 4 downs so use 'em approach... Go down swingin'... That is what an underdog needs to do .
He hasn't yet been able to adapt his coaching style to this 'no longer an underdog' team.
@perkdog said:
That is big, although I like to get wins against full strength competent teams to gauge how good we really are, you got to take what you can get in the NFL
The standings just don't care how strong your opponents are
Normally I would agree but we’re also going to be down Milton Williams & Kayshon Boutte. Those two are just as equally important to this current Pats team as Chase & Hendrickson are to the Bengals.
I don’t follow the Bengals enough to know who will be filling in for those two stars but in NE’s case it will mostly be two untested rookies in Farmer & Kyle Williams.
@bgr said:
Campbell was a big part of turning the Lions around. His aggressive, physical, style of football... His you got 4 downs so use 'em approach... Go down swingin'... That is what an underdog needs to do .
He hasn't yet been able to adapt his coaching style to this 'no longer an underdog' team.
And I agree with what you said especially the part where he hasn't adapted, at this point he cost them a super bowl appearance and now he might be costing them the division and home field for the playoffs
@perkdog said:
That is big, although I like to get wins against full strength competent teams to gauge how good we really are, you got to take what you can get in the NFL
The standings just don't care how strong your opponents are
Normally I would agree but we’re also going to be down Milton Williams & Kayshon Boutte. Those two are just as equally important to this current Pats team as Chase & Hendrickson are to the Bengals.
I don’t follow the Bengals enough to know who will be filling in for those two stars but in NE’s case it will mostly be two untested rookies in Farmer & Kyle Williams.
is Boutte officially out for the cinci game?
I don’t think that they ruled him out entirely yet, last I checked he was questionable and going to try practicing today.
Vrabel has seemed like the overly cautious type so far when it’s come to dealing with long term injuries, especially hammies, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Boutte just got held out an additional week or two until he’s a full go. That’s what they did with Gonzalez over the first 3 weeks.
@perkdog said:
That is big, although I like to get wins against full strength competent teams to gauge how good we really are, you got to take what you can get in the NFL
The standings just don't care how strong your opponents are
Normally I would agree but we’re also going to be down Milton Williams & Kayshon Boutte. Those two are just as equally important to this current Pats team as Chase & Hendrickson are to the Bengals.
I don’t follow the Bengals enough to know who will be filling in for those two stars but in NE’s case it will mostly be two untested rookies in Farmer & Kyle Williams.
is Boutte officially out for the cinci game?
I don’t think that they ruled him out entirely yet, last I checked he was questionable and going to try practicing today.
Vrabel has seemed like the overly cautious type so far when it’s come to dealing with long term injuries, especially hammies, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Boutte just got held out an additional week or two until he’s a full go. That’s what they did with Gonzalez over the first 3 weeks.
playing a depleted Bengals, I would be just fine with Vrabel holding him out another week (or 2) to make sure he is right for when we play Buf and Bal. I wouldnt mind if Stephenson got another week of treatment as well. I sure would like to be as full strength as possible for those 2 games.
Funny thing about my favorite team (Denver) that has been present over the decades:
When the team has an up year (like 2025 so far) the media coverage of the team is usually minimal and lukewarm for much of the regular season and the early part of the playoffs. It is not until the AFC Championship game that media coverage increases.
The above is my personal opinion derived from following the Broncos since the mid to late 1960s.
I assume that what I describe is something that takes place when other non glamour franchises have an up year.
@Basebal21 said:
The doom and gloom with McCarthy is just that NFL fans are now seeing what college fans saw for years from him. If he can figure it out good for him, but the Vikings weapons are way too good for performances like that all the time and hes already cost them two games if not three. Bears should have been an easy win
But they should have lost. Their quarterback was horrible as well and he was a #1 overall pick and had 26
NFL starts before the game.
I'll bet McCarthy has a better career than Williams.
I'll take action on that
Caleb Williams is far better than McCarthy right now, he is more durable ( So far ) and is a more polished passer
FAR better? Considering he was supposed to be a HOFer right out of college as a first overall pick? He also has 27 games started in the NFL to McCarthy's 5.
Caleb's really good at escaping the rush and running.
He only completed 50% of his passes Sunday, just like JJ, who had 2 interceptions and a touchdown pass. Caleb had just as many horrible throws and less drops by his receivers than McCarthy Sunday.
Caleb SHOULD be better. Higher draft pick and a year and a half as a starter.
He didn't look much better Sunday. His best games this year were against Dallas and Cincinati. Two bad teams.
Right now yes and hes not a top 10 QB and maybe not even a top 15 if it wasnt for injuries to others.
I dont like either of them but its more a knock on McCarthy that with those pass catchers Caleb out played him
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Did you watch the game? "Those pass catchers" had a bad game. Those drops being caught would have made JJ's numbers much better.
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Still too early on both QB's.
Mcarthy had a bad game. There were certainly some drops but he also had a bunch of missed throws and some of the drops were him not not being accurate that would have been touch catches.
The picks were just bad throws and he did have a nice one at the end. The endzone pick was just bad and under thrown. Some of the drops too might not have made much of a difference unless they were going for it on 4th down.
@perkdog said:
That is big, although I like to get wins against full strength competent teams to gauge how good we really are, you got to take what you can get in the NFL
The standings just don't care how strong your opponents are
Normally I would agree but we’re also going to be down Milton Williams & Kayshon Boutte. Those two are just as equally important to this current Pats team as Chase & Hendrickson are to the Bengals.
I don’t follow the Bengals enough to know who will be filling in for those two stars but in NE’s case it will mostly be two untested rookies in Farmer & Kyle Williams.
is Boutte officially out for the cinci game?
I don’t think that they ruled him out entirely yet, last I checked he was questionable and going to try practicing today.
Vrabel has seemed like the overly cautious type so far when it’s come to dealing with long term injuries, especially hammies, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Boutte just got held out an additional week or two until he’s a full go. That’s what they did with Gonzalez over the first 3 weeks.
playing a depleted Bengals, I would be just fine with Vrabel holding him out another week (or 2) to make sure he is right for when we play Buf and Bal. I wouldnt mind if Stephenson got another week of treatment as well. I sure would like to be as full strength as possible for those 2 games.
I could be off on this one but I think he’s doing the same with Milton Williams as well. Williams rolled his ankle early against NY, left the game and returned not long after. The TNF sideline reporter had an update that it wasn’t a serious injury and that Vrabel ultimately had Milt call it a night as a precaution.
This 4 game stint on IR could just be Mike being extra careful to have his top lineman good to go for the final two games of the regular season and possibly beyond if/when the playoffs start.
Edit: I also kind of like seeing some more of their rookies get some run. The D-Line has 3 rookie DT’s and a rookie Edge in Swinson. Start working then into the rotation,imo.
@Basebal21 said:
Penix Jr another ACL surgery happening
Only solace is that it's a partial tear and not the knee he's had repaired twice before.
3rd knee surgery before 26 years old. Falcons are in deep trouble after next year. Even if he shows he’s worth a huge contract (hasn’t yet) do you pay him $50 M a year with his injury history? Do they even pick up his 5th year option? I seriously doubt it
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@perkdog said:
That is big, although I like to get wins against full strength competent teams to gauge how good we really are, you got to take what you can get in the NFL
The standings just don't care how strong your opponents are
Normally I would agree but we’re also going to be down Milton Williams & Kayshon Boutte. Those two are just as equally important to this current Pats team as Chase & Hendrickson are to the Bengals.
I don’t follow the Bengals enough to know who will be filling in for those two stars but in NE’s case it will mostly be two untested rookies in Farmer & Kyle Williams.
is Boutte officially out for the cinci game?
I don’t think that they ruled him out entirely yet, last I checked he was questionable and going to try practicing today.
Vrabel has seemed like the overly cautious type so far when it’s come to dealing with long term injuries, especially hammies, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Boutte just got held out an additional week or two until he’s a full go. That’s what they did with Gonzalez over the first 3 weeks.
playing a depleted Bengals, I would be just fine with Vrabel holding him out another week (or 2) to make sure he is right for when we play Buf and Bal. I wouldnt mind if Stephenson got another week of treatment as well. I sure would like to be as full strength as possible for those 2 games.
I could be off on this one but I think he’s doing the same with Milton Williams as well. Williams rolled his ankle early against NY, left the game and returned not long after. The TNF sideline reporter had an update that it wasn’t a serious injury and that Vrabel ultimately had Milt call it a night as a precaution.
This 4 game stint on IR could just be Mike being extra careful to have his top lineman good to go for the final two games of the regular season and possibly beyond if/when the playoffs start.
Edit: I also kind of like seeing some more of their rookies get some run. The D-Line has 3 rookie DT’s and a rookie Edge in Swinson. Start working then into the rotation,imo.
you could be onto something with Williams. he has played more snaps this season so far than any other year in his career. I bet you are correct and Vrabel would like to make sure he is a fresh wrecking machine come playoffs. give him 5 weeks off, get his legs back underneath him and give him the final 2 regular season games to get back into shape.
It appears the Chiefs chances of making the playoffs this year are very, very slim and if the Bills continue to play like this they will miss out, also. Who among us thought such a thing would happen this season?? The window appears to be closing on both teams after being wide open.
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@Maywood said:
It appears the Chiefs chances of making the playoffs this year are very, very slim and if the Bills continue to play like this they will miss out, also. Who among us thought such a thing would happen this season?? The window appears to be closing on both teams after being wide open.
The Bills remind me of Belichicks last few years with the Patriots, he hung Brady out to dry by giving him dollar store WR's to throw to
The Bills are doing the same, I think they brought back Gabe Davis to "Help" Allen which is funny because he is a very incapable WR
A few weeks back I compared Josh Allen’s current group of passing targets to who he had in his 2024 MVP season a year ago and the only two names that weren't brought back in 2025 were Amari Cooper & Mack Hollins and neither player left a gaping hole in that Bills offense.
From what I’ve seen from Hollins in NE this season, he’s been an overall dependable 2nd to 4th option for Drake. I can understand how losing a veteran presence like that has hurt Allen’s Bills offense at times. Cooper on the other hand hasn’t played a single snap in 2025 and could pretty much be signed for peanuts right now yet still no takers.
I’d be curious to hear what the Bills Mafia has been saying about the lack of production from their wideout group lately? I remember just after the draft there were fans (or was it a STR host?) that criticized Buffalo’s decision makers over their lack of WR picks that the Bills GM actually started clapping back publicly about their complaints. It would be interesting to hear his thoughts on that same situation now.
I wouldn’t think the fault last night rests with the WR’s, to me Josh Allen looked lost/confused for most of the game. And on some of the sacks he looked very slow afoot. His two picks weren’t very good throws.
To me this is typical for the Bills. If the past is any indication of what to expect I’d see them going 4-2 or 5-1 from here to seasons end. Anything worse than that could be a sign of troubles with Allen or the team.
At 11-6 they should make the playoffs.
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We can rebuild him. We have the technology. We have the capability to make the world's first bionic quarterback. Michael Penix will be that man. Better than he was before. Better... stronger... faster. Able to hit receivers in zone coverage perhaps.
@bgr said:
We can rebuild him. We have the technology. We have the capability to make the world's first bionic quarterback. Michael Penix will be that man. Better than he was before. Better... stronger... faster. Able to hit receivers in zone coverage perhaps.
i owe @Darin an apology, as he is no doubt going to chime in at some point today. especially if his team loses a close game. just witnessed an egregious penalty that went against the Chiefs and cost them 4 points. a KC o-lineman had his hand on the side of a Colts helmet. never actually grabbed his face mask or twisted his head from my vantage point. and not only was it a 15-yarder that wiped out a house call, but it was reviewable by New York and they did nothing.
so, so bad. these officials are just disgusting sometimes
4th and 24 from his 40 with 5 seconds on the clock and he calls for Mayfield to throw a deep ball with no chance of reaching the end zone, Mayfield proceeds to throw a duck that gets picked and he gets hurt.
I didn't watch the game but judging from the highlights McCarthy looked really bad. The 2nd half for the Vikings --- 4 total yards on 15 plays with 2 Int's and 5 sacks. He threw a couple nice passes, especially one to Jefferson, but doesn't seem to have much pocket awareness and he holds on to the ball to long. I checked his Michigan stats and in 40 games there he averaged 18 passes/game. His specialty was handing the ball to an RB and he seems to have mastered that skill.
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Campbell took over play calling during his first season with Detroit, in 2021. They were 0-8 at the time. After he did so, the team scored 29+ four times after not reaching 20 even once before. Goff finished with 11 TDs and 2 INT in his last five games.
Campbell has openly said he messed up with his decisions against Philly. I didn't hate every 4th down try but some of the actual calls were awful on both 3rd and 4th down. Shame that they wasted an amazing effort by the Detroit defense and a career receiving day from Gibbs.
And, no, I have not forgiven Campbell for blowing the NFC title against SF.
I'm glad you mentioned that NFC Championship game against SF
Campbell's decisions in that game were criminal
Winning games is what counts in the NFL. Campbell needs to get his head out of his posterior and stop taking risks when odds are too long. The Lions have a very good team. It is not a great team as shown by the number of times this season they have lost games where they weren’t really competitive. Campbell could have been higher in the standings if he had laid off of taking long odds risks of going for it on 4th and 5 and taken the three points.
Winning gives you home field advantage in the playoffs, which can be huge. It’s definitely better than playing on the road in some stadiums, especially Seattle and Kanas City.
Exactly
Dan Campbell is an idiot, I hope his decision making costs Detroit in the playoffs and he gets fired for it
He is a complete buffoon
It's more than just not kicking FG's it's going for it on your own 40 too
0-5 in 4th down attempts against Philly and they lose a tight game.
Look at what happened between those 2 idiots Quinn and McDaniels in Spain Sunday morning, it's a shame one of them won since they both deserved to. lose
The "Dan Campbell Incident" is reminiscent of a few years ago when Harbaugh insisted on going for the 2-point win instead of the tie to push games to OT. It kept Baltimore from making the playoffs.
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I loved that it blew up in Baltimore's face
Dan Campbell is a riverboat gambler, with emphasis on 'gambler.' he really does have the mentality of one. instead of cutting his losses, he doubles, triples, quadruples and -- in the case of last Sunday night -- quintuples down, even when he is threatened by common sense and logic.
as i said above, i love the aggression and faith in his offense. but if you watched that game, it became crystal clear that 4th down conversions against that Philly D (and the wind) were going to be few and far between that night. not to mention, his defense was playing great. but playing the field position game or taking virtually guaranteed points were never options for him.
it was like trying to yank your buddy from the roulette table while he's out of his mind trying to recoup losses....................it just wasn't going to happen
Since Campbell has expressed such a willingness to take these kind of risks it defies logic that he wouldn't have special type plays for the times he'll go for it. I mean, he should have the kind of stuff that the opponents just can't be prepared for.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Completely agree
The funny thing to add is after he loses a game and he is speaking at the podium post game is whenever a reporter mentions the stupid going for it on 4th in your own territory or not taking an easy FG but instead getting stuffed and handing the ball. over to other team is when he says "That's who we are"
No Daniel, that's who YOU are
New England just caught a huge break with the NFL upholding their decision to suspend Ja’Marr Chase for this weekend’s Bengals/Pats game.
No Chase and probably no Trey Hendrickson either, who’s dealing with an injury and doubtful to play on Sunday.
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That is big, although I like to get wins against full strength competent teams to gauge how good we really are, you got to take what you can get in the NFL
The standings just don't care how strong your opponents are
Normally I would agree but we’re also going to be down Milton Williams & Kayshon Boutte. Those two are just as equally important to this current Pats team as Chase & Hendrickson are to the Bengals.
I don’t follow the Bengals enough to know who will be filling in for those two stars but in NE’s case it will mostly be two untested rookies in Farmer & Kyle Williams.
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Campbell was a big part of turning the Lions around. His aggressive, physical, style of football... His you got 4 downs so use 'em approach... Go down swingin'... That is what an underdog needs to do .
He hasn't yet been able to adapt his coaching style to this 'no longer an underdog' team.
is Boutte officially out for the cinci game?
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
And I agree with what you said especially the part where he hasn't adapted, at this point he cost them a super bowl appearance and now he might be costing them the division and home field for the playoffs
I don’t think that they ruled him out entirely yet, last I checked he was questionable and going to try practicing today.
Vrabel has seemed like the overly cautious type so far when it’s come to dealing with long term injuries, especially hammies, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Boutte just got held out an additional week or two until he’s a full go. That’s what they did with Gonzalez over the first 3 weeks.
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playing a depleted Bengals, I would be just fine with Vrabel holding him out another week (or 2) to make sure he is right for when we play Buf and Bal. I wouldnt mind if Stephenson got another week of treatment as well. I sure would like to be as full strength as possible for those 2 games.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Funny thing about my favorite team (Denver) that has been present over the decades:
When the team has an up year (like 2025 so far) the media coverage of the team is usually minimal and lukewarm for much of the regular season and the early part of the playoffs. It is not until the AFC Championship game that media coverage increases.
The above is my personal opinion derived from following the Broncos since the mid to late 1960s.
I assume that what I describe is something that takes place when other non glamour franchises have an up year.
Your thoughts?
Am I on target or am I completely out to lunch?
Mcarthy had a bad game. There were certainly some drops but he also had a bunch of missed throws and some of the drops were him not not being accurate that would have been touch catches.
The picks were just bad throws and he did have a nice one at the end. The endzone pick was just bad and under thrown. Some of the drops too might not have made much of a difference unless they were going for it on 4th down.
Balls were late, high, or over/under thrown a lot
Fire AJ Preller
Penix Jr another ACL surgery happening
Fire AJ Preller
I could be off on this one but I think he’s doing the same with Milton Williams as well. Williams rolled his ankle early against NY, left the game and returned not long after. The TNF sideline reporter had an update that it wasn’t a serious injury and that Vrabel ultimately had Milt call it a night as a precaution.
This 4 game stint on IR could just be Mike being extra careful to have his top lineman good to go for the final two games of the regular season and possibly beyond if/when the playoffs start.
Edit: I also kind of like seeing some more of their rookies get some run. The D-Line has 3 rookie DT’s and a rookie Edge in Swinson. Start working then into the rotation,imo.
Eric
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Only solace is that it's a partial tear and not the knee he's had repaired twice before.
3rd knee surgery before 26 years old. Falcons are in deep trouble after next year. Even if he shows he’s worth a huge contract (hasn’t yet) do you pay him $50 M a year with his injury history? Do they even pick up his 5th year option? I seriously doubt it
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you could be onto something with Williams. he has played more snaps this season so far than any other year in his career. I bet you are correct and Vrabel would like to make sure he is a fresh wrecking machine come playoffs. give him 5 weeks off, get his legs back underneath him and give him the final 2 regular season games to get back into shape.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I actually kind of think its worst that its his other leg. Its now been both legs and since hes a lefty thats his push leg for throwing
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The Bills got their hands full with the Texans, down 20-16
Probably over.
"Good Buffalo" showed up last week - should have know "Bad Buffalo" was gonna show up this week.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Me thinks Buffalos SB win was defeating KC this year. That will have to do.
It appears the Chiefs chances of making the playoffs this year are very, very slim and if the Bills continue to play like this they will miss out, also. Who among us thought such a thing would happen this season?? The window appears to be closing on both teams after being wide open.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Josh Allen never had a chance last night, he was running for his life like a Browns QB
So besides a competent WR the Bulls need a whole new OL I guess
The Bills remind me of Belichicks last few years with the Patriots, he hung Brady out to dry by giving him dollar store WR's to throw to
The Bills are doing the same, I think they brought back Gabe Davis to "Help" Allen which is funny because he is a very incapable WR
it really didnt dawn on me until last night just how bare the receiver cupboard is for Allen
how do you expect to win anything with this cast of characters
A few weeks back I compared Josh Allen’s current group of passing targets to who he had in his 2024 MVP season a year ago and the only two names that weren't brought back in 2025 were Amari Cooper & Mack Hollins and neither player left a gaping hole in that Bills offense.
From what I’ve seen from Hollins in NE this season, he’s been an overall dependable 2nd to 4th option for Drake. I can understand how losing a veteran presence like that has hurt Allen’s Bills offense at times. Cooper on the other hand hasn’t played a single snap in 2025 and could pretty much be signed for peanuts right now yet still no takers.
I’d be curious to hear what the Bills Mafia has been saying about the lack of production from their wideout group lately? I remember just after the draft there were fans (or was it a STR host?) that criticized Buffalo’s decision makers over their lack of WR picks that the Bills GM actually started clapping back publicly about their complaints. It would be interesting to hear his thoughts on that same situation now.
Edit: it was actually a STR host that Bills GM Brandon Beane argued with over his draft decisions just after the draft.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/44901919/bills-gm-gets-testy-radio-hosts-nfl-draft-criticism
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This was supposed to be the (their) year.
I wouldn’t think the fault last night rests with the WR’s, to me Josh Allen looked lost/confused for most of the game. And on some of the sacks he looked very slow afoot. His two picks weren’t very good throws.
To me this is typical for the Bills. If the past is any indication of what to expect I’d see them going 4-2 or 5-1 from here to seasons end. Anything worse than that could be a sign of troubles with Allen or the team.
At 11-6 they should make the playoffs.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Good point
We can rebuild him. We have the technology. We have the capability to make the world's first bionic quarterback. Michael Penix will be that man. Better than he was before. Better... stronger... faster. Able to hit receivers in zone coverage perhaps.
i owe @Darin an apology, as he is no doubt going to chime in at some point today. especially if his team loses a close game. just witnessed an egregious penalty that went against the Chiefs and cost them 4 points. a KC o-lineman had his hand on the side of a Colts helmet. never actually grabbed his face mask or twisted his head from my vantage point. and not only was it a 15-yarder that wiped out a house call, but it was reviewable by New York and they did nothing.
so, so bad. these officials are just disgusting sometimes
And yet another god awful game from McCarthy
Fire AJ Preller
Jefferson will be causing problems soon I'm thinking, he won't want to be wasted in that situation
Is Todd Bowles even dumber than I thought he was?
4th and 24 from his 40 with 5 seconds on the clock and he calls for Mayfield to throw a deep ball with no chance of reaching the end zone, Mayfield proceeds to throw a duck that gets picked and he gets hurt.
Complete Asshat
Id be thinking about faking an injury to just sit out the year at this point if I was him before getting hurt for real with all those bad passes
Fire AJ Preller
I didnt see the Vikings game, but i did see the boxscore. the numbers looked ugly.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I didn't watch the game but judging from the highlights McCarthy looked really bad. The 2nd half for the Vikings --- 4 total yards on 15 plays with 2 Int's and 5 sacks. He threw a couple nice passes, especially one to Jefferson, but doesn't seem to have much pocket awareness and he holds on to the ball to long. I checked his Michigan stats and in 40 games there he averaged 18 passes/game. His specialty was handing the ball to an RB and he seems to have mastered that skill.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Weak sauce.