It has begun! The luck turned and the fans turned! We don't want "working-class-trust-your-gut-cause-the-numbers-are-for-mcdaniels-go-on-4th" Dan Campbell! Now we need "physics-degree-follow-the-analytics-and-stick-to-the-book" Dan Campbell!
truth of the matter is the guy has been making bone-head decisions from a statistical perspective his entire career as a HC and when the team covers up those mistakes we only see the success of these "trust your team decisions". But when the probabilities catch up we demand they return to the safety of the numbers.
He's always been a cowboy. Hrm. He's always been a Cowboy. That could work.
i think the most disturbing aspect of that game for me was the fact that Jerod Goff looked like he was going to be disemboweled every time he dropped back to pass. i was sitting there thinking to myself, "is Philly's D really this good?" haven't seen a QB look that rattled in a long time. an inordinate number of his passes weren't even sniffing the receiver because i think he was more concerned about actually living.
and i think that ties into Campbell being averse to punts and field goal attempts. i like the aggression, but not when it's crystal clear that your offense has no answers for the Eagles' defense. every time they went for it on 4th down, no part of me thought they'd convert. they had the look of a team that was discombobulated on offense all night long.
@perkdog said:
I was high on Denver and low on KC before the season started, at this point I have no reason to believe that KC won't win their division based on the fact that I do not trust Bo Nix at all, I think he has regressed and he pretty much sucks and I will never trust the Chargers
KC 27
Denver 16
Looks like I was wrong
I owe Bo Nix an apology, he played well
Flags were irrelevant
The Chiefs just flat out sucked.
I get kind of tired of Mahomes saying he has to get better and stop making mistakes and then making a stupid throw when the game is tied that cost them at least a field goal. He’s just not a clutch player like he used to be. Not hungry like when he came up.
Another case of too many commercials and outside interests taking precedence over football. He’s rich and satisfied now, no more greatness in him.
Kind of like when Tiger Woods sold his soul to Nike.
Mahomes 1 rush 3 yrds , I saw that and said something is not right big time. Maybe he has a leg injury.
As for the Vikings - I'm bummed we lost but I'm more annoyed at how doom and gloom everyone is about McCarthy's performance. It's a franchise that has no patience for any form of a rebuild or the learning curve needed to progress a young QB. So many folks wanted a franchise QB (let's face it - they've only had one pan out) but have zero tolerance. I have no doubt that McCarthy will get better. I think he over-hypes himself up. Kill the "nine" persona and the face paint, sooner than later - which I'm sure he will. He also had about 5 key drops that doesn't help... For that matter, I would like to see Jefferson remove all of his diamonds and just go play ball.
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Great points. McCarthy is too "pumped up" and overthrows some passes and is trying to force the ball to Jefferson. McCarthy was pretty terrible for most of the game.
Then, he goes 6 for 8 on his last drive and we take the lead with under a minute remaining.
What does our brilliant head coach do? Kicks the ball to the Bears and they break a big return, giving them a big boost in confidence and they kick the game winning field goal with 4 seconds remaining.
For a first year QB, JJ looks lost, psyched up out of his mind and then occasionally looks like he has the potential to be a very good leader.
The Bears QB was the #1 overall pick and he looked pretty bad yesterday, except for his running.
I'm hoping McCarthy can "settle down" a little bit. I see his potential as well as his flaws. Those flaws can be fixed.......I hope.
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Last, it's nauseating to see all of these had the Vikings just lost one more game in the draft and Passtronaut not won a meaningless game three seasons ago, they would have drafted Drake Maye - enough already. This is one of about seven what-if scenarios at QB. That said, I'm still not over the Lewis Cine - Kyle Hamilton - Jameson Williamson draft/trade with Detroit.
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We're on the same page here too. I remember when several draft publications rated Kyle Hamilton as the best football player in the draft. The Vikes needed a cornerback and were unlikely to get Gardner. They didn't go after "Sauce" in a trade, didn't take Hamilton, yet moved around and took Cine, a Safety!
I'm not as upset about winning some meaningless games the year Cousins got hurt, but that (obviously) cost us a better draft position.
First we need to find people who know how to draft. KOC is a HORRIBLE in game coach. Get rid of him and promote Flores to Head coach before he goes somewhere else, and find an offensive coordinator who can put some plays in that utilize the receivers we have. O'Connell goes too deep all the time. I haven't seen ANY quick slants since he got here.
I'm also a little concerned with Jefferson becoming another in a long line of "hot dog" receivers. He failed to catch a couple of passes he should have caught in the last couple of games and seems to be too upset on the sidelines.
Yesterday's game might have been the poorest example of football I've seen in my almost 60 years of watching the Vikings, but they should have come out with a victory.
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I just heard that Mahomes cap hits for the next 2 seasons are $78MM and $74MM. I am too lazy to look it up for myself, but if true, that will make it exceedingly difficult to retool the next few seasons for KC.
you can only kick the can down the road for so long.
The doom and gloom with McCarthy is just that NFL fans are now seeing what college fans saw for years from him. If he can figure it out good for him, but the Vikings weapons are way too good for performances like that all the time and hes already cost them two games if not three. Bears should have been an easy win
@craig44 said:
I just heard that Mahomes cap hits for the next 2 seasons are $78MM and $74MM. I am too lazy to look it up for myself, but if true, that will make it exceedingly difficult to retool the next few seasons for KC.
you can only kick the can down the road for so long.
What will save them is Rice and Worthy are really solid and I think they are still going to be on their rookie deals through those hits
Not 100% sure and I don't care enough to look it up either lol
@craig44 said:
I just heard that Mahomes cap hits for the next 2 seasons are $78MM and $74MM. I am too lazy to look it up for myself, but if true, that will make it exceedingly difficult to retool the next few seasons for KC.
you can only kick the can down the road for so long.
What will save them is Rice and Worthy are really solid and I think they are still going to be on their rookie deals through those hits
Not 100% sure and I don't care enough to look it up either lol
possible. and KC GM is pretty creative, but there comes a limit to restructuring.
I am not sold on Rice. some would have us believe he is an elite #1 WR. I am just not seeing it. averaging about 60 ypg for his career. no elite speed like worthy.
I know he is supposed to be KC's savior but dont know, I just am not seeing it with him.
@craig44 said:
I just heard that Mahomes cap hits for the next 2 seasons are $78MM and $74MM. I am too lazy to look it up for myself, but if true, that will make it exceedingly difficult to retool the next few seasons for KC.
you can only kick the can down the road for so long.
What will save them is Rice and Worthy are really solid and I think they are still going to be on their rookie deals through those hits
Not 100% sure and I don't care enough to look it up either lol
Worthy is a little scary. His strength is his speed and ankle injury might take him the year to get that back taking the top off the defense. Rice you just gotta worry if he can stop getting arrested lol
I dont really like the Chiefs chances this year of making the playoffs with what they have left
@estang said:
I'm taking Campbell over Siriani to out-dumb the other with inexplicable coaching decisions.
That said, Siriani is closing the gap after the last two very late-game decisions the past two weeks.
The thing is that these moronic decisions already cost Dan Campbell a chance to play in the Super Bowl after he refused to take multiple FG attempts on 4th down to stay comfortably ahead of SF, he failed every time and SF win 34-31
The guy is an idiot and is wasting Detroit's best chances,, if I'm the owner I'm firing him
Every Lion fan I've talked to absolutely love Campbell. He was a hard watch on Hard-Knocks in what was his first or second year with every other word being "man" or a cuss-word.
He's actually the right guy for them at the right time. That said, the shine in MI will wear off if he doesn't make better decisions - when they don't work out.
I watched him botch a 10-point lead in MN live a few years ago with my wife and daugther. The Vikes had no business winning but Campbell couldn't help himself with 4th down go for its and fake punts.
I'm not sure him taking on play calling duties is going to help him out if they continue to put up little points. I believe he was only the offensive coordinator in the past because the coaches above/around him got fired in MIA and NO.
@estang said:
I'm taking Campbell over Siriani to out-dumb the other with inexplicable coaching decisions.
That said, Siriani is closing the gap after the last two very late-game decisions the past two weeks.
The thing is that these moronic decisions already cost Dan Campbell a chance to play in the Super Bowl after he refused to take multiple FG attempts on 4th down to stay comfortably ahead of SF, he failed every time and SF win 34-31
The guy is an idiot and is wasting Detroit's best chances,, if I'm the owner I'm firing him
Every Lion fan I've talked to absolutely love Campbell. He was a hard watch on Hard-Knocks in what was his first or second year with every other word being "man" or a cuss-word.
He's actually the right guy for them at the right time. That said, the shine in MI will wear off if he doesn't make better decisions - when they don't work out.
I watched him botch a 10-point lead in MN live a few years ago with my wife and daugther. The Vikes had no business winning but Campbell couldn't help himself with 4th down go for its and fake punts.
I'm not sure him taking on play calling duties is going to help him out if they continue to put up little points. I believe he was only the offensive coordinator in the past because the coaches above/around him got fired in MIA and NO.
I'm sure he is a likable guy with that rough big guy persona but that will wear off once the Lions get sent packing after a bunch of moronic decisions by him which is bound to happen again.
He is consistent, I'll give him that but 0-5 on 4th downs last night? I guess stubborn or pig headed is the word I'd use to describe him.
If I'm a Detroit fan I'm already done with him, they will run him out of town if his moronic decisions keep costing them games, Detroit has a real chance at being a contender but are being held back by some cowboy style decisions
@Basebal21 said:
The doom and gloom with McCarthy is just that NFL fans are now seeing what college fans saw for years from him. If he can figure it out good for him, but the Vikings weapons are way too good for performances like that all the time and hes already cost them two games if not three. Bears should have been an easy win
But they should have lost. Their quarterback was horrible as well and he was a #1 overall pick and had 26
NFL starts before the game.
I'll bet McCarthy has a better career than Williams.
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@Basebal21 said:
The doom and gloom with McCarthy is just that NFL fans are now seeing what college fans saw for years from him. If he can figure it out good for him, but the Vikings weapons are way too good for performances like that all the time and hes already cost them two games if not three. Bears should have been an easy win
But they should have lost. Their quarterback was horrible as well and he was a #1 overall pick and had 26
NFL starts before the game.
I'll bet McCarthy has a better career than Williams.
I'll take action on that
Caleb Williams is far better than McCarthy right now, he is more durable ( So far ) and is a more polished passer
@perkdog will get his wish this week when Sheduer Sanders gets the start for the Browns due to the Gabriel concussion. We’ll get to see how he performs on a full game.
And in a repeat of the Jalen Carter incident it seems Ja’mar Chase has received a suspension for spitting on another player. What is wrong with these players??
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@Maywood said: @perkdog will get his wish this week when Sheduer Sanders gets the start for the Browns due to the Gabriel concussion. We’ll get to see how he performs on a full game.
And in a repeat of the Jalen Carter incident it seems Ja’mar Chase has received a suspension for spitting on another player. What is wrong with these players??
I saw that about Chase, he denied it fully but forgot that everything is on film?
Spitting on someone is so degrading, borderline just as bad as a racist insult
I like Chase but he deserves a harsh punishment over it, it's absolutely disgusting behavior
I was wrong about Sanders, I fully thought he would be a capable starter come week 5
I am looking forward to seeing him play a full game, hopefully Stefanski gets him plenty of reps with the starters lol
I want Sanders to do well, for some reason I find myself really rooting for the kid, the last several weeks he has kept his mouth shut and done the right thing.
@Basebal21 said:
The doom and gloom with McCarthy is just that NFL fans are now seeing what college fans saw for years from him. If he can figure it out good for him, but the Vikings weapons are way too good for performances like that all the time and hes already cost them two games if not three. Bears should have been an easy win
But they should have lost. Their quarterback was horrible as well and he was a #1 overall pick and had 26
NFL starts before the game.
I'll bet McCarthy has a better career than Williams.
@Basebal21 said:
The doom and gloom with McCarthy is just that NFL fans are now seeing what college fans saw for years from him. If he can figure it out good for him, but the Vikings weapons are way too good for performances like that all the time and hes already cost them two games if not three. Bears should have been an easy win
But they should have lost. Their quarterback was horrible as well and he was a #1 overall pick and had 26
NFL starts before the game.
I'll bet McCarthy has a better career than Williams.
I dont like either of them, but to have Jefferson and Addison they have to be getting frustrated at this point. I would bet Williams has the better career but neither with be good
@Basebal21 said:
The doom and gloom with McCarthy is just that NFL fans are now seeing what college fans saw for years from him. If he can figure it out good for him, but the Vikings weapons are way too good for performances like that all the time and hes already cost them two games if not three. Bears should have been an easy win
But they should have lost. Their quarterback was horrible as well and he was a #1 overall pick and had 26
NFL starts before the game.
I'll bet McCarthy has a better career than Williams.
I'll take action on that
Caleb Williams is far better than McCarthy right now, he is more durable ( So far ) and is a more polished passer
FAR better? Considering he was supposed to be a HOFer right out of college as a first overall pick? He also has 27 games started in the NFL to McCarthy's 5.
Caleb's really good at escaping the rush and running.
He only completed 50% of his passes Sunday, just like JJ, who had 2 interceptions and a touchdown pass. Caleb had just as many horrible throws and less drops by his receivers than McCarthy Sunday.
Caleb SHOULD be better. Higher draft pick and a year and a half as a starter.
He didn't look much better Sunday. His best games this year were against Dallas and Cincinati. Two bad teams.
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@galaxy27 said:
Caleb has engineered 5 game-winning drives this season
does that suck?
asking for a friend
Are you counting Sunday's victory over the Vikings as a game winning drive?
BOTH QB's were bad most of the game, with JJ being worse. Then he led the Vikings right down the field and (finally) threw a TD pass to take the lead with less than a minute left in the game. THAT was a game "winning" drive.
Caleb did nothing to be credited with any late heroics. The kick returner won the game.
Give Vikings coach O'Connell an assist for not kicking off out of the end zone like anyone with a brain would have. He's the worst in game coach I've ever seen in Minnesota and I've seen them all except Van Brocklin.
Caleb has had a couple of good games against 3 win teams this year. Something I noticed last year, he's good against lousy teams.
How'd he do against Detroit? McCarthy beat Detroit. Asking for a friend. 😉
If McCarthy is as crappy halfway through next season as Caleb is right now, I'll be shocked.
Caleb looks to be a great runner as a QB, very few of them last long or win big.
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@Basebal21 said:
The doom and gloom with McCarthy is just that NFL fans are now seeing what college fans saw for years from him. If he can figure it out good for him, but the Vikings weapons are way too good for performances like that all the time and hes already cost them two games if not three. Bears should have been an easy win
But they should have lost. Their quarterback was horrible as well and he was a #1 overall pick and had 26
NFL starts before the game.
I'll bet McCarthy has a better career than Williams.
@Basebal21 said:
The doom and gloom with McCarthy is just that NFL fans are now seeing what college fans saw for years from him. If he can figure it out good for him, but the Vikings weapons are way too good for performances like that all the time and hes already cost them two games if not three. Bears should have been an easy win
But they should have lost. Their quarterback was horrible as well and he was a #1 overall pick and had 26
NFL starts before the game.
I'll bet McCarthy has a better career than Williams.
I dont like either of them, but to have Jefferson and Addison they have to be getting frustrated at this point. I would bet Williams has the better career but neither with be good
Williams is a great athlete and runner. In the (few) games I've seen him, he misses a lot of open receivers.
Running QB's never last.
McCarthy overthrows receivers too, but he's had 5 games in the NFL. I'm hoping he'll relax as he gains experience and the throws will come down. If not, he won't last very long. He has also thrown some GREAT passes, just not often enough......so far.
Vikings receivers didn't help him much Sunday, there were 4 or 5 drops that should have been caught. Maybe the receivers were surprised the ball was catchable? 😀
Even Theilen dropped a pass he should have caught, he usually catches everything. Jefferson also failed to catch at least one he should have pulled in. Ladt week he dropped a pass in the end zone that should have been a TD. Then we have to settle for a field goal and McCarthy gets blamed for not getting us a touchdown 😒
Basically Sunday was one of the worst games I've EVER seen, and even though neither team deserved to win, the Vikings should have been victorious.
Fire KOC and promote Flores to Head Coach. O'connell's stupidity has cost us several games. Everyone here loves him because he's such a nice guy.
I'll take Mike Zimmer in a heartbeat.
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@Basebal21 said:
The doom and gloom with McCarthy is just that NFL fans are now seeing what college fans saw for years from him. If he can figure it out good for him, but the Vikings weapons are way too good for performances like that all the time and hes already cost them two games if not three. Bears should have been an easy win
But they should have lost. Their quarterback was horrible as well and he was a #1 overall pick and had 26
NFL starts before the game.
I'll bet McCarthy has a better career than Williams.
I'll take action on that
Caleb Williams is far better than McCarthy right now, he is more durable ( So far ) and is a more polished passer
FAR better? Considering he was supposed to be a HOFer right out of college as a first overall pick? He also has 27 games started in the NFL to McCarthy's 5.
Caleb's really good at escaping the rush and running.
He only completed 50% of his passes Sunday, just like JJ, who had 2 interceptions and a touchdown pass. Caleb had just as many horrible throws and less drops by his receivers than McCarthy Sunday.
Caleb SHOULD be better. Higher draft pick and a year and a half as a starter.
He didn't look much better Sunday. His best games this year were against Dallas and Cincinati. Two bad teams.
It's unfair to compare them since Caleb has more games under his belt
I stand by saying Williams will be better, reality is Darnold is better than both and Minny should have kept Darnold and we wouldn't be having this conversation
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It has begun! The luck turned and the fans turned! We don't want "working-class-trust-your-gut-cause-the-numbers-are-for-mcdaniels-go-on-4th" Dan Campbell! Now we need "physics-degree-follow-the-analytics-and-stick-to-the-book" Dan Campbell!
truth of the matter is the guy has been making bone-head decisions from a statistical perspective his entire career as a HC and when the team covers up those mistakes we only see the success of these "trust your team decisions". But when the probabilities catch up we demand they return to the safety of the numbers.
He's always been a cowboy. Hrm. He's always been a Cowboy. That could work.
I can't stand him as a HC, the guy is a buffoon, that Lions team doesn't deserve him
i think the most disturbing aspect of that game for me was the fact that Jerod Goff looked like he was going to be disemboweled every time he dropped back to pass. i was sitting there thinking to myself, "is Philly's D really this good?" haven't seen a QB look that rattled in a long time. an inordinate number of his passes weren't even sniffing the receiver because i think he was more concerned about actually living.
and i think that ties into Campbell being averse to punts and field goal attempts. i like the aggression, but not when it's crystal clear that your offense has no answers for the Eagles' defense. every time they went for it on 4th down, no part of me thought they'd convert. they had the look of a team that was discombobulated on offense all night long.
Mahomes 1 rush 3 yrds , I saw that and said something is not right big time. Maybe he has a leg injury.
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Great points. McCarthy is too "pumped up" and overthrows some passes and is trying to force the ball to Jefferson. McCarthy was pretty terrible for most of the game.
Then, he goes 6 for 8 on his last drive and we take the lead with under a minute remaining.
What does our brilliant head coach do? Kicks the ball to the Bears and they break a big return, giving them a big boost in confidence and they kick the game winning field goal with 4 seconds remaining.
For a first year QB, JJ looks lost, psyched up out of his mind and then occasionally looks like he has the potential to be a very good leader.
The Bears QB was the #1 overall pick and he looked pretty bad yesterday, except for his running.
I'm hoping McCarthy can "settle down" a little bit. I see his potential as well as his flaws. Those flaws can be fixed.......I hope.
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We're on the same page here too. I remember when several draft publications rated Kyle Hamilton as the best football player in the draft. The Vikes needed a cornerback and were unlikely to get Gardner. They didn't go after "Sauce" in a trade, didn't take Hamilton, yet moved around and took Cine, a Safety!
I'm not as upset about winning some meaningless games the year Cousins got hurt, but that (obviously) cost us a better draft position.
First we need to find people who know how to draft. KOC is a HORRIBLE in game coach. Get rid of him and promote Flores to Head coach before he goes somewhere else, and find an offensive coordinator who can put some plays in that utilize the receivers we have. O'Connell goes too deep all the time. I haven't seen ANY quick slants since he got here.
I'm also a little concerned with Jefferson becoming another in a long line of "hot dog" receivers. He failed to catch a couple of passes he should have caught in the last couple of games and seems to be too upset on the sidelines.
Yesterday's game might have been the poorest example of football I've seen in my almost 60 years of watching the Vikings, but they should have come out with a victory.
I just heard that Mahomes cap hits for the next 2 seasons are $78MM and $74MM. I am too lazy to look it up for myself, but if true, that will make it exceedingly difficult to retool the next few seasons for KC.
you can only kick the can down the road for so long.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
The doom and gloom with McCarthy is just that NFL fans are now seeing what college fans saw for years from him. If he can figure it out good for him, but the Vikings weapons are way too good for performances like that all the time and hes already cost them two games if not three. Bears should have been an easy win
Fire AJ Preller
What will save them is Rice and Worthy are really solid and I think they are still going to be on their rookie deals through those hits
Not 100% sure and I don't care enough to look it up either lol
possible. and KC GM is pretty creative, but there comes a limit to restructuring.
I am not sold on Rice. some would have us believe he is an elite #1 WR. I am just not seeing it. averaging about 60 ypg for his career. no elite speed like worthy.
I know he is supposed to be KC's savior but dont know, I just am not seeing it with him.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Worthy is a little scary. His strength is his speed and ankle injury might take him the year to get that back taking the top off the defense. Rice you just gotta worry if he can stop getting arrested lol
I dont really like the Chiefs chances this year of making the playoffs with what they have left
Fire AJ Preller
Every Lion fan I've talked to absolutely love Campbell. He was a hard watch on Hard-Knocks in what was his first or second year with every other word being "man" or a cuss-word.
He's actually the right guy for them at the right time. That said, the shine in MI will wear off if he doesn't make better decisions - when they don't work out.
I watched him botch a 10-point lead in MN live a few years ago with my wife and daugther. The Vikes had no business winning but Campbell couldn't help himself with 4th down go for its and fake punts.
I'm not sure him taking on play calling duties is going to help him out if they continue to put up little points. I believe he was only the offensive coordinator in the past because the coaches above/around him got fired in MIA and NO.
Erik
I'm sure he is a likable guy with that rough big guy persona but that will wear off once the Lions get sent packing after a bunch of moronic decisions by him which is bound to happen again.
He is consistent, I'll give him that but 0-5 on 4th downs last night? I guess stubborn or pig headed is the word I'd use to describe him.
If I'm a Detroit fan I'm already done with him, they will run him out of town if his moronic decisions keep costing them games, Detroit has a real chance at being a contender but are being held back by some cowboy style decisions
damn skippy
But they should have lost. Their quarterback was horrible as well and he was a #1 overall pick and had 26
NFL starts before the game.
I'll bet McCarthy has a better career than Williams.
I like to think I’m a little bit “John Daly”.
I'll take action on that
Caleb Williams is far better than McCarthy right now, he is more durable ( So far ) and is a more polished passer
Caleb has engineered 5 game-winning drives this season
does that suck?
asking for a friend
@perkdog will get his wish this week when Sheduer Sanders gets the start for the Browns due to the Gabriel concussion. We’ll get to see how he performs on a full game.
And in a repeat of the Jalen Carter incident it seems Ja’mar Chase has received a suspension for spitting on another player. What is wrong with these players??
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I saw that about Chase, he denied it fully but forgot that everything is on film?
Spitting on someone is so degrading, borderline just as bad as a racist insult
I like Chase but he deserves a harsh punishment over it, it's absolutely disgusting behavior
I was wrong about Sanders, I fully thought he would be a capable starter come week 5
I am looking forward to seeing him play a full game, hopefully Stefanski gets him plenty of reps with the starters lol
I want Sanders to do well, for some reason I find myself really rooting for the kid, the last several weeks he has kept his mouth shut and done the right thing.
We shall see how he does
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
I dont like either of them, but to have Jefferson and Addison they have to be getting frustrated at this point. I would bet Williams has the better career but neither with be good
Fire AJ Preller
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This article makes some sense, if I'm Cincy I'm putting Burrow on the shelf and trading him for draft picks
Even if they dont trade him at this point Im saying get healthy for next year our year is over
Fire AJ Preller
FAR better? Considering he was supposed to be a HOFer right out of college as a first overall pick? He also has 27 games started in the NFL to McCarthy's 5.
Caleb's really good at escaping the rush and running.
He only completed 50% of his passes Sunday, just like JJ, who had 2 interceptions and a touchdown pass. Caleb had just as many horrible throws and less drops by his receivers than McCarthy Sunday.
Caleb SHOULD be better. Higher draft pick and a year and a half as a starter.
He didn't look much better Sunday. His best games this year were against Dallas and Cincinati. Two bad teams.
Are you counting Sunday's victory over the Vikings as a game winning drive?
BOTH QB's were bad most of the game, with JJ being worse. Then he led the Vikings right down the field and (finally) threw a TD pass to take the lead with less than a minute left in the game. THAT was a game "winning" drive.
Caleb did nothing to be credited with any late heroics. The kick returner won the game.
Give Vikings coach O'Connell an assist for not kicking off out of the end zone like anyone with a brain would have. He's the worst in game coach I've ever seen in Minnesota and I've seen them all except Van Brocklin.
Caleb has had a couple of good games against 3 win teams this year. Something I noticed last year, he's good against lousy teams.
How'd he do against Detroit? McCarthy beat Detroit. Asking for a friend. 😉
If McCarthy is as crappy halfway through next season as Caleb is right now, I'll be shocked.
Caleb looks to be a great runner as a QB, very few of them last long or win big.
Williams is a great athlete and runner. In the (few) games I've seen him, he misses a lot of open receivers.
Running QB's never last.
McCarthy overthrows receivers too, but he's had 5 games in the NFL. I'm hoping he'll relax as he gains experience and the throws will come down. If not, he won't last very long. He has also thrown some GREAT passes, just not often enough......so far.
Vikings receivers didn't help him much Sunday, there were 4 or 5 drops that should have been caught. Maybe the receivers were surprised the ball was catchable? 😀
Even Theilen dropped a pass he should have caught, he usually catches everything. Jefferson also failed to catch at least one he should have pulled in. Ladt week he dropped a pass in the end zone that should have been a TD. Then we have to settle for a field goal and McCarthy gets blamed for not getting us a touchdown 😒
Basically Sunday was one of the worst games I've EVER seen, and even though neither team deserved to win, the Vikings should have been victorious.
Fire KOC and promote Flores to Head Coach. O'connell's stupidity has cost us several games. Everyone here loves him because he's such a nice guy.
I'll take Mike Zimmer in a heartbeat.
It's unfair to compare them since Caleb has more games under his belt
I stand by saying Williams will be better, reality is Darnold is better than both and Minny should have kept Darnold and we wouldn't be having this conversation
can I end this dispute with just one name?
Drake Maye!!!
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.