If you knew your football history, you would know that Kinnick stadium is a tough place to win as a traveling team. Just ask Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan.
Michigan has a winning record there.
All 3 teams have lost there recently.
Michigan has won the last two there and hasn't lost in State College since 2019.
Ohio State
Oregon
Miami(Fla)
Ole Miss
Oklahoma
Texas A&M
Penn State
Indiana
Texas
Alabama
It seems strange that the voters would penalize and drop Miami(Fla) because they didn't play, but at the same time reward Oklahoma who didn't play and moved up. Along with that I would like to hear their explanation for dropping Penn State behind teams that didn't play after they just lost in overtime to the new number 2 team. Also, Texas A&M moves up after a 6 point win, 16-10, over unranked Auburn.
Not sure if it makes sense or not but the voters now have 5-SEC, 4-Big 10 and 1-ACC team(s) rounding out the Top 10. Certainly the season is still young but it's starting to look like the playoff is going to be the SEC vs. the Big 10. That might sound like a ratings bonanza for the NCAA but it will infuriate a lot of fans around the country.
I hope somebody is watching, somebody who can fix something that's broken.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
If you knew your football history, you would know that Kinnick stadium is a tough place to win as a traveling team. Just ask Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan.
Michigan has a winning record there.
All 3 teams have lost there recently.
Michigan has won the last two there and hasn't lost in State College since 2019.
Um, you need to recheck the records. Michigan has lost at Kinnick stadium 4 out of the last 5 times. Not to mention, Michigan also forfeited the 2020 game(kinnick stadium) because they stunk.(covid excuse).
Honestly. I agree with you that it’s a joke. But I think that the people who care about it are in a slim majority. It’s just not that important to most people that it’s not simply a performance. I like to think I’m a bit of a daywalker myself. I enjoy both the show and peeking behind the curtain. Smile and wave. Smile and wave.
@Maywood said:
AP Poll just posted with some surprises.
Ohio State
Oregon
Miami(Fla)
Ole Miss
Oklahoma
Texas A&M
Penn State
Indiana
Texas
Alabama
It seems strange that the voters would penalize and drop Miami(Fla) because they didn't play, but at the same time reward Oklahoma who didn't play and moved up. Along with that I would like to hear their explanation for dropping Penn State behind teams that didn't play after they just lost in overtime to the new number 2 team. Also, Texas A&M moves up after a 6 point win, 16-10, over unranked Auburn.
Not sure if it makes sense or not but the voters now have 5-SEC, 4-Big 10 and 1-ACC team(s) rounding out the Top 10. Certainly the season is still young but it's starting to look like the playoff is going to be the SEC vs. the Big 10. That might sound like a ratings bonanza for the NCAA but it will infuriate a lot of fans around the country.
I hope somebody is watching, somebody who can fix something that's broken.
Auburns like 3 fumbles away from being undefeated.
Penn State was penalized far less for their loss than Bama was for theirs and Georgia was for theres. Penn State should be happy to even be in the top 10 especially since Moore at Oregon didnt look very good and the voters are drooping teams out of the top 10 for a loss. Really helps when a bunch of the voters are graduates from your journalism school. 3 top 5 teams lost and only one of them barely moved down.
But as usual no consistently with how they vote. They need something to write about and half of them dont even really watch. Realistically there should be no preseason rankings and rankings shouldnt start till like week 6 or 7
If you knew your football history, you would know that Kinnick stadium is a tough place to win as a traveling team. Just ask Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan.
Michigan has a winning record there.
All 3 teams have lost there recently.
Michigan has won the last two there and hasn't lost in State College since 2019.
Um, you need to recheck the records. Michigan has lost at Kinnick stadium 4 out of the last 5 times. Not to mention, Michigan also forfeited the 2020 game(kinnick stadium) because they stunk.(covid excuse).
But nice try.
I dont like Michigan but they didnt use covid as an excuse. They were forced to and not allowed to play. The B!G was one of if not the strictest conference when it came to that. The B!G and the Pac 12 played a very minimal schedule while the SEC, ACC and Big 12 played basically a full schedule
Penn State was penalized far less for their loss than Bama was for theirs and Georgia was for theres
A comment defending Alabama's inclusion in the Top 10 by the member who a few short weeks ago wanted to get rid of their HC. You need to stick to something.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
If you knew your football history, you would know that Kinnick stadium is a tough place to win as a traveling team. Just ask Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan.
Michigan has a winning record there.
All 3 teams have lost there recently.
Michigan has won the last two there and hasn't lost in State College since 2019.
Um, you need to recheck the records. Michigan has lost at Kinnick stadium 4 out of the last 5 times. Not to mention, Michigan also forfeited the 2020 game(kinnick stadium) because they stunk.(covid excuse).
But nice try.
I dont like Michigan but they didnt use covid as an excuse. They were forced to and not allowed to play. The B!G was one of if not the strictest conference when it came to that. The B!G and the Pac 12 played a very minimal schedule while the SEC, ACC and Big 12 played basically a full schedule
They were 2-4 before Michigan cancelled their season. How convenient.
You can’t just leave a spot in the top 10 empty. Which one belongs? Bama did just beat Georgia. I agree Bama isn’t a top 10 team but there are a lot of question marks after them. Flip them with Texas Tech or Texas. I would still have Georgia above them but you can’t do that because pitchforks are too heavy to ship.
The trouble is that the voters don't and can't watch enough games to have an understanding of who is actually as good as the poll says and why teams who are undefeated shouldn't be considered, until they prove they don't belong. That's what wrong with the poll. The voters almost certainly only watch 1-2 games, highlights from the top teams and then maybe they scour some video and look at stats.
Just as an example I will use Missouri. They are 5-0 and haven't really played anyone yet. I will let Basebal21 tell you who they have beaten and then he can compare those teams to the patsies that the others ahead of them have played and beaten. My example will be Georgia --- wins over Marshall and Austin Peay, a win in OT and a loss. I'm not impressed. Georgia is where they are for the same reason Clemson and LSU were where they were, past performance presumed quality. BIAS.
I say to bring back the Computer Rankings and take people out of it!!!
Below are the current Congrove Computer Rankings.
Oregon
Ohio State
Indiana
Miami(Fla)
Iowa State
Mississippi
Penn State
Texas Tech
Missouri
Texas
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Maywood said: Penn State was penalized far less for their loss than Bama was for theirs and Georgia was for theres
A comment defending Alabama's inclusion in the Top 10 by the member who a few short weeks ago wanted to get rid of their HC. You need to stick to something.
I still want their HC fired because of the amount of talent they have. Simple fact is Georgia was one dropped perfectly thrown pass away from winning that game. Hes simply not the right fit and they have played soft a lot of times since he took over.
That said when they play Georgia they get hyped up and play like they should
If you knew your football history, you would know that Kinnick stadium is a tough place to win as a traveling team. Just ask Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan.
Michigan has a winning record there.
All 3 teams have lost there recently.
Michigan has won the last two there and hasn't lost in State College since 2019.
Um, you need to recheck the records. Michigan has lost at Kinnick stadium 4 out of the last 5 times. Not to mention, Michigan also forfeited the 2020 game(kinnick stadium) because they stunk.(covid excuse).
But nice try.
I dont like Michigan but they didnt use covid as an excuse. They were forced to and not allowed to play. The B!G was one of if not the strictest conference when it came to that. The B!G and the Pac 12 played a very minimal schedule while the SEC, ACC and Big 12 played basically a full schedule
They were 2-4 before Michigan cancelled their season. How convenient.
Again at that time the B!G and the Pac 12 were making the decisions on who was and who wasnt allowed to play. Yes until the cheating Michigan was generally an average team under Jim, but given the circumstances and how different conferences reacted to it thats not a year that can be held against them
@Maywood said:
The trouble is that the voters don't and can't watch enough games to have an understanding of who is actually as good as the poll says and why teams who are undefeated shouldn't be considered, until they prove they don't belong. That's what wrong with the poll. The voters almost certainly only watch 1-2 games, highlights from the top teams and then maybe they scour some video and look at stats.
Just as an example I will use Missouri. They are 5-0 and haven't really played anyone yet. I will let Basebal21 tell you who they have beaten and then he can compare those teams to the patsies that the others ahead of them have played and beaten. My example will be Georgia --- wins over Marshall and Austin Peay, a win in OT and a loss. I'm not impressed. Georgia is where they are for the same reason Clemson and LSU were where they were, past performance presumed quality. BIAS.
I say to bring back the Computer Rankings and take people out of it!!!
Below are the current Congrove Computer Rankings.
Oregon
Ohio State
Indiana
Miami(Fla)
Iowa State
Mississippi
Penn State
Texas Tech
Missouri
Texas
Although its good to see Iowa state and Indiana getting some love from the computer, it also in the past has proven to be a flawed system.
@Maywood said:
The trouble is that the voters don't and can't watch enough games to have an understanding of who is actually as good as the poll says and why teams who are undefeated shouldn't be considered, until they prove they don't belong. That's what wrong with the poll. The voters almost certainly only watch 1-2 games, highlights from the top teams and then maybe they scour some video and look at stats.
Just as an example I will use Missouri. They are 5-0 and haven't really played anyone yet. I will let Basebal21 tell you who they have beaten and then he can compare those teams to the patsies that the others ahead of them have played and beaten. My example will be Georgia --- wins over Marshall and Austin Peay, a win in OT and a loss. I'm not impressed. Georgia is where they are for the same reason Clemson and LSU were where they were, past performance presumed quality. BIAS.
I say to bring back the Computer Rankings and take people out of it!!!
Below are the current Congrove Computer Rankings.
Oregon
Ohio State
Indiana
Miami(Fla)
Iowa State
Mississippi
Penn State
Texas Tech
Missouri
Texas
Missouri has two power 4 wins with an absolute gauntlet of a schedule coming up that should have several losses. PSU has played one real game and lost at home at night with a white out so the computer is wrong as well.
Georgia has a win on the road against Tennessee a top 15 team that you left out
Just judging on what's happened thus far, it will be interesting to see the teams shuffling around and moving up/down and in/out of the Top 10 in the coming weeks. This past weekend shows me that anything is possible, that any supposed power can be beaten. On the horizon are a few potential surprises and upsets:
--- Texas vs. Florida
--- Vanderbilt vs. Alabama
--- Penn State vs. UCLA
--- Miami(Fla) vs. Florida State
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Maywood said:
Just judging on what's happened thus far, it will be interesting to see the teams shuffling around and moving up/down and in/out of the Top 10 in the coming weeks. This past weekend shows me that anything is possible, that any supposed power can be beaten. On the horizon are a few potential surprises and upsets:
--- Texas vs. Florida
--- Vanderbilt vs. Alabama
--- Penn State vs. UCLA
--- Miami(Fla) vs. Florida State
Penn State is a 26.5 point favorite against UCLA. Thats an upset I dont see happening.
UCLA has 0 chance against PSU. PSU will find a way to lose another two games maybe even three but if UCLA is one of them Franklin should be fired on the spot
FSU Miami is the interesting one thats realistic. The Texas FL one could happen given that Archie really hasnt actually showed hes good other than his last name, but Nappier will probably find a way to lose that game if its close
If you knew your football history, you would know that Kinnick stadium is a tough place to win as a traveling team. Just ask Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan.
Michigan has a winning record there.
All 3 teams have lost there recently.
Michigan has won the last two there and hasn't lost in State College since 2019.
Um, you need to recheck the records. Michigan has lost at Kinnick stadium 4 out of the last 5 times. Not to mention, Michigan also forfeited the 2020 game(kinnick stadium) because they stunk.(covid excuse).
But nice try.
I misread. Was thinking we were still talking Penn State, hence the reference to State College.
DeBoer is a worse coach than even I think he is if they lose this game at home. This is a revenge game for them from last year. Vandy is a good team but if he cant get them fired up for this yikes
Texas, Archie hasnt impressed me at all. FL could easily get them and Texas might have to take a look at making a change if Archie is trash again.
Miss State and A&M, I think MS can cover the spread but lose the game. The spread is getting really high given they are way better than last year. Kyle field is the second loudest stadium in the country behind LSU for a night game.
It is what the SEC because of scheduling. Historically, teams from the SEC rarely played a team from the West Coast unless it was a Bowl Game. Now they have ensured they get to play the totality of their schedule in their backyard with restructured scheduling. But, yeah, it's because they're so talented that they never played PAC 10 teams. Whatever.
Well, there is still the 2nd half and anything can happen, but it looks like Franklin and those Nittany Lions have their work cut out --- down 24-7. Right now Drew Allar, Kaytron Allen and company are getting hammered to the tune of 285-92 yards and I see the Bruins added 3 for 20 point lead.
And in another "shocker" it seems Florida is on top of Texas 19-7 just before the half. Looks like another Arch Manning flub, but there's another half to play.
In other SEC news, at least Georgia won handily but the "Tide is struggling at home against Vandy, about to be down 14-7 at the half.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Just an observation: there is still a half of football left and a lot can happen, but we might see Penn State, Texas and Alabama exit the Top 10 after today's games which makes for some ridiculous happenings in the last two weeks of play. Apparently the safest thing to do is have a bye-week like Oregon, Oklahoma, Indiana and Ole Miss. One or more of those teams might move up by not playing!!!
Is this the result of NIL money and the transfer portal??
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I will never understand the historical argument, who cares the rosters are 100 percent different. Army used to historically win Nattys during WW2, and Nebraska used to be good in the 1990s.
Historically has no relevance in college sports especially now with the transfer portal and NIL
Bowl games really dont mean anything anymore for the most part either. I know youre trying to take shots at the SEC but whatever, most first round picks and most players drafted by the NFL for almost 20 years now. Yea those guys sit out bowl games.
As far as PSU I will laugh so hard if UCLA actually beats them. Thats such a bad team that fired all their coaches theyre so bad its not even funny. I will be happy though that we can stop pretending PSU is a top 10 team
What I'm actually doing is mocking YOU because you're such an SEC homer and it seems hard for you to look at anything objectively past "the SEC is the best blah, blah, blah" and you even did it in that last post. Does anyone besides you care that 2-3-4-5 more SEC players were drafted than any other conference?? Probably not, but it apparently is important to you ego and well-being that such is the case.
Should I stop mocking you and start agreeing with you?? Maybe you should just try to stop being a homer and just be objective.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Basebal21 said:
I know youre trying to take shots at the SEC but whatever, most first round picks and most players drafted by the NFL for almost 20 years now.
Doesn't mean squat. The best QB of all time Tom Brady was the 199th overall pick. So almost 200 people went before him and not one was better than him.
BTW, the historical argument is pertinent when it seems as though the SEC teams avoided the long trip out west. It isn't that those teams were always the best although they were historically pretty good. That long trip and the time adjustment is a real thing. It also helped in the past staying close to home where the fan base could travel, no such a big deal today as it was 20-30-40 years ago.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Maywood said:
BTW, the historical argument is pertinent when it seems as though the SEC teams avoided the long trip out west. It isn't that those teams were always the best although they were historically pretty good. That long trip and the time adjustment is a real thing. It also helped in the past staying close to home where the fan base could travel, no such a big deal today as it was 20-30-40 years ago.
Yep. Just look at USC's record in the rose bowl game. Its pretty much a home game for them.
So Penn State loses, Texas loses and Alabama manages to prevail. That should drop PSU all the way to around 15 and Texas a spot or 2 in front of them, both teams should be embarrassed to have lost today. The voters right now have shown they are in love with Alabama so they'll move up even though they struggled at home to put Vandy away. They'll probably end up around 6-7.
Wish I could watch Miami(Fla) vs. Florida State because it should be a good game.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
We can also stop pretending that Arch is good because of his last name
I just watched highlights of the Texas vs. Florida State game. Manning made some nice throws and ran well but he didn't show a lot of pocket presence, he seemed a step late in getting away from pressure. DJ Lagway looks like the real deal with a strong arm. As a 20 year old sophomore and 6'3"/247 I wonder how long he'll play before turning to the NFL??
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Basebal21 said: UCLA has 0 chance against PSU @Basebal21 said: PSU lol UCLA. UCLA is terrible, just leave Franklin on the tamarack. PSU should be unranked they just lost to a terrible team
Make up my mind!!!
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Hes average at best from what hes shown so far and is a problem for them. For every good play he makes he makes 2 really bad ones and cant find wide open guys down field.
Im not convinced DJ is that much better but both will look great in the combine. Nappier hasnt done a good job developing him but theres a better chance thats a program issue for him than being overrated from the name
@Maywood said: @Basebal21 said: UCLA has 0 chance against PSU @Basebal21 said: PSU lol UCLA. UCLA is terrible, just leave Franklin on the tamarack. PSU should be unranked they just lost to a terrible team
Make up my mind!!!
Not sure theres anything to make up. PSU has no business losing to UCLA who hasnt lead a single second this year, fired a bunch of coaches, and got blown out by New Mexico. Pretty clear like I wrote before Franklin should be fired on the spot if they lose that game which they did and I just cant stop laughing
I'm not a Franklin fan myself and can't understand why Penn State can't get that program on track. They've spent a lot of money and in the past few seasons have had some good players, yet they can't over the hump. I would figure Franklin is on the bubble, but who knows.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I would need someone to get out the crayons and explain to me how a football head coach at any level could be worth millions a year. I looked up Franklin's contract and when I saw the figures... I don't even know how to rationalize a contract like that. I really feel like football head-coach is a job that far too many people are adequately qualified for. I don't know enough to know what would differentiate a great coach from a good coach in football. From my perspective in other sports I would say their role is motivational more than anything at that level. So get out the crayons and break this one down for me why someone coaching Penn State would be worth $8.8M per year?
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Michigan has won the last two there and hasn't lost in State College since 2019.
This is not a place for facts. This is a place for college football talk.
AP Poll just posted with some surprises.
Ohio State
Oregon
Miami(Fla)
Ole Miss
Oklahoma
Texas A&M
Penn State
Indiana
Texas
Alabama
It seems strange that the voters would penalize and drop Miami(Fla) because they didn't play, but at the same time reward Oklahoma who didn't play and moved up. Along with that I would like to hear their explanation for dropping Penn State behind teams that didn't play after they just lost in overtime to the new number 2 team. Also, Texas A&M moves up after a 6 point win, 16-10, over unranked Auburn.
Not sure if it makes sense or not but the voters now have 5-SEC, 4-Big 10 and 1-ACC team(s) rounding out the Top 10. Certainly the season is still young but it's starting to look like the playoff is going to be the SEC vs. the Big 10. That might sound like a ratings bonanza for the NCAA but it will infuriate a lot of fans around the country.
I hope somebody is watching, somebody who can fix something that's broken.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Um, you need to recheck the records. Michigan has lost at Kinnick stadium 4 out of the last 5 times. Not to mention, Michigan also forfeited the 2020 game(kinnick stadium) because they stunk.(covid excuse).
But nice try.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
Honestly. I agree with you that it’s a joke. But I think that the people who care about it are in a slim majority. It’s just not that important to most people that it’s not simply a performance. I like to think I’m a bit of a daywalker myself. I enjoy both the show and peeking behind the curtain. Smile and wave. Smile and wave.
@Tabe, it might be the right time to give up on this one.
From an article from "Michigan Live" dated Sep. 26, 2022 Michigan hasn’t won at Kinnick Stadium since 2005.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Could someone update the Wiki page please? I don’t know when Michigan last won at Kinnick. Was Desmond Howard on the team?
Auburns like 3 fumbles away from being undefeated.
Penn State was penalized far less for their loss than Bama was for theirs and Georgia was for theres. Penn State should be happy to even be in the top 10 especially since Moore at Oregon didnt look very good and the voters are drooping teams out of the top 10 for a loss. Really helps when a bunch of the voters are graduates from your journalism school. 3 top 5 teams lost and only one of them barely moved down.
But as usual no consistently with how they vote. They need something to write about and half of them dont even really watch. Realistically there should be no preseason rankings and rankings shouldnt start till like week 6 or 7
Fire AJ Preller
I dont like Michigan but they didnt use covid as an excuse. They were forced to and not allowed to play. The B!G was one of if not the strictest conference when it came to that. The B!G and the Pac 12 played a very minimal schedule while the SEC, ACC and Big 12 played basically a full schedule
Fire AJ Preller
Penn State was penalized far less for their loss than Bama was for theirs and Georgia was for theres
A comment defending Alabama's inclusion in the Top 10 by the member who a few short weeks ago wanted to get rid of their HC. You need to stick to something.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
They were 2-4 before Michigan cancelled their season. How convenient.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
You can’t just leave a spot in the top 10 empty. Which one belongs? Bama did just beat Georgia. I agree Bama isn’t a top 10 team but there are a lot of question marks after them. Flip them with Texas Tech or Texas. I would still have Georgia above them but you can’t do that because pitchforks are too heavy to ship.
The trouble is that the voters don't and can't watch enough games to have an understanding of who is actually as good as the poll says and why teams who are undefeated shouldn't be considered, until they prove they don't belong. That's what wrong with the poll. The voters almost certainly only watch 1-2 games, highlights from the top teams and then maybe they scour some video and look at stats.
Just as an example I will use Missouri. They are 5-0 and haven't really played anyone yet. I will let Basebal21 tell you who they have beaten and then he can compare those teams to the patsies that the others ahead of them have played and beaten. My example will be Georgia --- wins over Marshall and Austin Peay, a win in OT and a loss. I'm not impressed. Georgia is where they are for the same reason Clemson and LSU were where they were, past performance presumed quality. BIAS.
I say to bring back the Computer Rankings and take people out of it!!!
Below are the current Congrove Computer Rankings.
Oregon
Ohio State
Indiana
Miami(Fla)
Iowa State
Mississippi
Penn State
Texas Tech
Missouri
Texas
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I still want their HC fired because of the amount of talent they have. Simple fact is Georgia was one dropped perfectly thrown pass away from winning that game. Hes simply not the right fit and they have played soft a lot of times since he took over.
That said when they play Georgia they get hyped up and play like they should
Fire AJ Preller
Again at that time the B!G and the Pac 12 were making the decisions on who was and who wasnt allowed to play. Yes until the cheating Michigan was generally an average team under Jim, but given the circumstances and how different conferences reacted to it thats not a year that can be held against them
Fire AJ Preller
Although its good to see Iowa state and Indiana getting some love from the computer, it also in the past has proven to be a flawed system.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
Missouri has two power 4 wins with an absolute gauntlet of a schedule coming up that should have several losses. PSU has played one real game and lost at home at night with a white out so the computer is wrong as well.
Georgia has a win on the road against Tennessee a top 15 team that you left out
Fire AJ Preller
Just judging on what's happened thus far, it will be interesting to see the teams shuffling around and moving up/down and in/out of the Top 10 in the coming weeks. This past weekend shows me that anything is possible, that any supposed power can be beaten. On the horizon are a few potential surprises and upsets:
--- Texas vs. Florida
--- Vanderbilt vs. Alabama
--- Penn State vs. UCLA
--- Miami(Fla) vs. Florida State
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Penn State is a 26.5 point favorite against UCLA. Thats an upset I dont see happening.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
@coolstanley said: Penn State is a 26.5 point favorite against UCLA. Thats an upset I dont see happening.
Never underestimate James Franklin!!!
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
UCLA has 0 chance against PSU. PSU will find a way to lose another two games maybe even three but if UCLA is one of them Franklin should be fired on the spot
FSU Miami is the interesting one thats realistic. The Texas FL one could happen given that Archie really hasnt actually showed hes good other than his last name, but Nappier will probably find a way to lose that game if its close
Fire AJ Preller
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
I misread. Was thinking we were still talking Penn State, hence the reference to State College.
Yes, I'm dumb, lol.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
Some good games today, best ones at 3 and 7. Looking for some more surprises and upsets, especially in the SEC as those teams cannibalize each other.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Says the basebal guy
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
It is what the SEC does with so much talent
DeBoer is a worse coach than even I think he is if they lose this game at home. This is a revenge game for them from last year. Vandy is a good team but if he cant get them fired up for this yikes
Texas, Archie hasnt impressed me at all. FL could easily get them and Texas might have to take a look at making a change if Archie is trash again.
Miss State and A&M, I think MS can cover the spread but lose the game. The spread is getting really high given they are way better than last year. Kyle field is the second loudest stadium in the country behind LSU for a night game.
Fire AJ Preller
It is what the SEC does with so much talent
It is what the SEC because of scheduling. Historically, teams from the SEC rarely played a team from the West Coast unless it was a Bowl Game. Now they have ensured they get to play the totality of their schedule in their backyard with restructured scheduling. But, yeah, it's because they're so talented that they never played PAC 10 teams. Whatever.
@Basebal21 said: UCLA has 0 chance against PSU.
Well, there is still the 2nd half and anything can happen, but it looks like Franklin and those Nittany Lions have their work cut out --- down 24-7. Right now Drew Allar, Kaytron Allen and company are getting hammered to the tune of 285-92 yards and I see the Bruins added 3 for 20 point lead.
Care to reassess that @Basebal21??
And in another "shocker" it seems Florida is on top of Texas 19-7 just before the half. Looks like another Arch Manning flub, but there's another half to play.
In other SEC news, at least Georgia won handily but the "Tide is struggling at home against Vandy, about to be down 14-7 at the half.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Just an observation: there is still a half of football left and a lot can happen, but we might see Penn State, Texas and Alabama exit the Top 10 after today's games which makes for some ridiculous happenings in the last two weeks of play. Apparently the safest thing to do is have a bye-week like Oregon, Oklahoma, Indiana and Ole Miss. One or more of those teams might move up by not playing!!!
Is this the result of NIL money and the transfer portal??
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I will never understand the historical argument, who cares the rosters are 100 percent different. Army used to historically win Nattys during WW2, and Nebraska used to be good in the 1990s.
Historically has no relevance in college sports especially now with the transfer portal and NIL
Bowl games really dont mean anything anymore for the most part either. I know youre trying to take shots at the SEC but whatever, most first round picks and most players drafted by the NFL for almost 20 years now. Yea those guys sit out bowl games.
As far as PSU I will laugh so hard if UCLA actually beats them. Thats such a bad team that fired all their coaches theyre so bad its not even funny. I will be happy though that we can stop pretending PSU is a top 10 team
Fire AJ Preller
I know youre trying to take shots at the SEC
What I'm actually doing is mocking YOU because you're such an SEC homer and it seems hard for you to look at anything objectively past "the SEC is the best blah, blah, blah" and you even did it in that last post. Does anyone besides you care that 2-3-4-5 more SEC players were drafted than any other conference?? Probably not, but it apparently is important to you ego and well-being that such is the case.
Should I stop mocking you and start agreeing with you?? Maybe you should just try to stop being a homer and just be objective.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Penn State is making a 2nd half run, Alabama has moved in front and Texas is still struggling.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Doesn't mean squat. The best QB of all time Tom Brady was the 199th overall pick. So almost 200 people went before him and not one was better than him.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
BTW, the historical argument is pertinent when it seems as though the SEC teams avoided the long trip out west. It isn't that those teams were always the best although they were historically pretty good. That long trip and the time adjustment is a real thing. It also helped in the past staying close to home where the fan base could travel, no such a big deal today as it was 20-30-40 years ago.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Yep. Just look at USC's record in the rose bowl game. Its pretty much a home game for them.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
UCLA has found the endzone again, it looks like PSU is going down.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Did anyone else see the ghost of "Red" Sanders on the UCLA sidelines?
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
So Penn State loses, Texas loses and Alabama manages to prevail. That should drop PSU all the way to around 15 and Texas a spot or 2 in front of them, both teams should be embarrassed to have lost today. The voters right now have shown they are in love with Alabama so they'll move up even though they struggled at home to put Vandy away. They'll probably end up around 6-7.
Wish I could watch Miami(Fla) vs. Florida State because it should be a good game.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
PSU lol UCLA. UCLA is terrible, just leave Franklin on the tamarack. PSU should be unranked they just lost to a terrible team.
We can also stop pretending that Arch is good because of his last name
Fire AJ Preller
We can also stop pretending that Arch is good because of his last name
I just watched highlights of the Texas vs. Florida State game. Manning made some nice throws and ran well but he didn't show a lot of pocket presence, he seemed a step late in getting away from pressure. DJ Lagway looks like the real deal with a strong arm. As a 20 year old sophomore and 6'3"/247 I wonder how long he'll play before turning to the NFL??
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Wow! Breakout the turkey cause Sayin is carving it up in the first half -
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Next.....................Penn State............
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
@Basebal21 said: UCLA has 0 chance against PSU
@Basebal21 said: PSU lol UCLA. UCLA is terrible, just leave Franklin on the tamarack. PSU should be unranked they just lost to a terrible team
Make up my mind!!!
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Hes average at best from what hes shown so far and is a problem for them. For every good play he makes he makes 2 really bad ones and cant find wide open guys down field.
Im not convinced DJ is that much better but both will look great in the combine. Nappier hasnt done a good job developing him but theres a better chance thats a program issue for him than being overrated from the name
Fire AJ Preller
Bring back... Sandusky?
Not sure theres anything to make up. PSU has no business losing to UCLA who hasnt lead a single second this year, fired a bunch of coaches, and got blown out by New Mexico. Pretty clear like I wrote before Franklin should be fired on the spot if they lose that game which they did and I just cant stop laughing
Fire AJ Preller
I'm not a Franklin fan myself and can't understand why Penn State can't get that program on track. They've spent a lot of money and in the past few seasons have had some good players, yet they can't over the hump. I would figure Franklin is on the bubble, but who knows.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
He has a $50M buyout. I would try a disguise first and introduce him as Jim Bankfin.
So he has no incentive to foster a winning program.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I would need someone to get out the crayons and explain to me how a football head coach at any level could be worth millions a year. I looked up Franklin's contract and when I saw the figures... I don't even know how to rationalize a contract like that. I really feel like football head-coach is a job that far too many people are adequately qualified for. I don't know enough to know what would differentiate a great coach from a good coach in football. From my perspective in other sports I would say their role is motivational more than anything at that level. So get out the crayons and break this one down for me why someone coaching Penn State would be worth $8.8M per year?