Mine shipped from Dallas in the east coast batch which I believe has been the first batch out many times. Still after many years there are always so many exceptions it is impossible to tell what method they use .
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
I didn't see that one coming. At this point the mint will have to issue a statement about why their sales numbers in the next report will have dropped so significantly. Surely there can't be this many cancellations?
I didn't see that one coming. At this point the mint will have to issue a statement about why their sales numbers in the next report will have dropped so significantly. Surely there can't be this many cancellations?
After this debacle, well I definitely still need to purchase my beloved USMC privy and I'll probably get a Navy one to round out the set but that's it. I am more than likely done with the mint at this point. RGDS!
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17468 Something is totally twilight zone with this. Tracking the numbers as an 'academic exercise' has been insightful. Some days few were sold. Other days about one hundred in a matter of a few hours and onward.
Credibility down the tubes !!
I wonder whether the Minty just decides to close the doors at whatever the sold number eventually is and thereby reduce the 'mintage' population by the left over number to be melted. Didn't flowing hair total mintage get reduced by a few thousand?
@jmlanzaf said:
I don't think the Mint has anything to explain. This is simply not that popular. If you accept that, the one who needs to explain is Pinehurst.
I don't know that you can say they aren't popular. An order, even if it is cancelled, is an expression of demand. If the orders were fraudulent or fake, then that's a different story but I don't think that is the case. I'm also not sure how you can say that a coin that has solidly pre-sold at least 80,000 units 4-6 weeks is not popular.
Edited to add: I bet Dan Carr would love to have a coin he could sell 80k of.
Buy them if you like them to save or are addicted like me. Enjoy them while alive because your kids or grand kids will sell them for melt and buy pot.
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Armed services privy will be a good one down the road...if they do not mess up the privy releases and blow the whole thing up. I know that is a big if.
@Heubschgold said:
17468 Something is totally twilight zone with this. Tracking the numbers as an 'academic exercise' has been insightful. Some days few were sold. Other days about one hundred in a matter of a few hours and onward.
Credibility down the tubes !!
I wonder whether the Minty just decides to close the doors at whatever the sold number eventually is and thereby reduce the 'mintage' population by the left over number to be melted. Didn't flowing hair total mintage get reduced by a few thousand?
@jmlanzaf said:
I don't think the Mint has anything to explain. This is simply not that popular. If you accept that, the one who needs to explain is Pinehurst.
I don't know that you can say they aren't popular. An order, even if it is cancelled, is an expression of demand. If the orders were fraudulent or fake, then that's a different story but I don't think that is the case. I'm also not sure how you can say that a coin that has solidly pre-sold at least 80,000 units 4-6 weeks is not popular.
Edited to add: I bet Dan Carr would love to have a coin he could sell 80k of.
I didn't say they weren't popular. I said they weren't THAT popular. There is zero evidence of 100,000 collectors. Everyone who is blaming the mint vthinks they should be hot and 100,000 mintage is low enough to sustain their value. That simply does not appear to be true.
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@fathom said:
Still too early for the success or fail test.
Armed services privy will be a good one down the road...if they do not mess up the privy releases and blow the whole thing up. I know that is a big if.
Then where are the buyers? No "hot" coin has ever behaved this way
It's not an armed services coin. It's a privy. There may not be 100,000 privy collectors.
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@jmlanzaf said:
I don't think the Mint has anything to explain. This is simply not that popular. If you accept that, the one who needs to explain is Pinehurst.
I don't know that you can say they aren't popular. An order, even if it is cancelled, is an expression of demand. If the orders were fraudulent or fake, then that's a different story but I don't think that is the case. I'm also not sure how you can say that a coin that has solidly pre-sold at least 80,000 units 4-6 weeks is not popular.
Edited to add: I bet Dan Carr would love to have a coin he could sell 80k of.
I didn't say they weren't popular. I said they weren't THAT popular. There is zero evidence of 100,000 collectors. Everyone who is blaming the mint vthinks they should be hot and 100,000 mintage is low enough to sustain their value. That simply does not appear to be true.
Lift the HHL and actually ship the damn things then the ATS will quickly = 0. It's as simple as that. RGDS!
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@jmlanzaf said:
I don't think the Mint has anything to explain. This is simply not that popular. If you accept that, the one who needs to explain is Pinehurst.
I don't know that you can say they aren't popular. An order, even if it is cancelled, is an expression of demand. If the orders were fraudulent or fake, then that's a different story but I don't think that is the case. I'm also not sure how you can say that a coin that has solidly pre-sold at least 80,000 units 4-6 weeks is not popular.
Edited to add: I bet Dan Carr would love to have a coin he could sell 80k of.
I didn't say they weren't popular. I said they weren't THAT popular. There is zero evidence of 100,000 collectors. Everyone who is blaming the mint vthinks they should be hot and 100,000 mintage is low enough to sustain their value. That simply does not appear to be true.
Lift the HHL and actually ship the damn things then the ATS will quickly = 0. It's as simple as that. RGDS!
Separate point. And also not necessarily true. There are 18,000 coins left. You ASSUME there are 18,000 unsatisfied users. They lifted the HHL in the Superman coins... not sold out. It is possible that they're aren't 100,000 people who care about the privy. You might at least entertain the possibility. Just because you want the coin to be in high demand doesn't mean it will be.
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@jmlanzaf said:
I don't think the Mint has anything to explain. This is simply not that popular. If you accept that, the one who needs to explain is Pinehurst.
I don't know that you can say they aren't popular. An order, even if it is cancelled, is an expression of demand. If the orders were fraudulent or fake, then that's a different story but I don't think that is the case. I'm also not sure how you can say that a coin that has solidly pre-sold at least 80,000 units 4-6 weeks is not popular.
Edited to add: I bet Dan Carr would love to have a coin he could sell 80k of.
I didn't say they weren't popular. I said they weren't THAT popular. There is zero evidence of 100,000 collectors. Everyone who is blaming the mint vthinks they should be hot and 100,000 mintage is low enough to sustain their value. That simply does not appear to be true.
Lift the HHL and actually ship the damn things then the ATS will quickly = 0. It's as simple as that. RGDS!
Separate point. And also not necessarily true. There are 18,000 coins left. You ASSUME there are 18,000 unsatisfied users. They lifted the HHL in the Superman coins... not sold out. It is possible that they're aren't 100,000 people who care about the privy. You might at least entertain the possibility. Just because you want the coin to be in high demand doesn't mean it will be.
I believe that 18K number to be bogus. No way that many remain unless the BIGS are returning them by the pallet. Highly unlikely. THKS!
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@jmlanzaf said:
I don't think the Mint has anything to explain. This is simply not that popular. If you accept that, the one who needs to explain is Pinehurst.
I don't know that you can say they aren't popular. An order, even if it is cancelled, is an expression of demand. If the orders were fraudulent or fake, then that's a different story but I don't think that is the case. I'm also not sure how you can say that a coin that has solidly pre-sold at least 80,000 units 4-6 weeks is not popular.
Edited to add: I bet Dan Carr would love to have a coin he could sell 80k of.
I didn't say they weren't popular. I said they weren't THAT popular. There is zero evidence of 100,000 collectors. Everyone who is blaming the mint vthinks they should be hot and 100,000 mintage is low enough to sustain their value. That simply does not appear to be true.
Lift the HHL and actually ship the damn things then the ATS will quickly = 0. It's as simple as that. RGDS!
Separate point. And also not necessarily true. There are 18,000 coins left. You ASSUME there are 18,000 unsatisfied users. They lifted the HHL in the Superman coins... not sold out. It is possible that they're aren't 100,000 people who care about the privy. You might at least entertain the possibility. Just because you want the coin to be in high demand doesn't mean it will be.
I believe that 18K number to be bogus. No way that many remain unless the BIGS are returning them by the pallet. Highly unlikely. THKS!
You don't believe it because you don't want it to be true not because you have any actual reason to think it isn't true...
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@jmlanzaf said:
I don't think the Mint has anything to explain. This is simply not that popular. If you accept that, the one who needs to explain is Pinehurst.
I don't know that you can say they aren't popular. An order, even if it is cancelled, is an expression of demand. If the orders were fraudulent or fake, then that's a different story but I don't think that is the case. I'm also not sure how you can say that a coin that has solidly pre-sold at least 80,000 units 4-6 weeks is not popular.
Edited to add: I bet Dan Carr would love to have a coin he could sell 80k of.
I didn't say they weren't popular. I said they weren't THAT popular. There is zero evidence of 100,000 collectors. Everyone who is blaming the mint vthinks they should be hot and 100,000 mintage is low enough to sustain their value. That simply does not appear to be true.
Lift the HHL and actually ship the damn things then the ATS will quickly = 0. It's as simple as that. RGDS!
Separate point. And also not necessarily true. There are 18,000 coins left. You ASSUME there are 18,000 unsatisfied users. They lifted the HHL in the Superman coins... not sold out. It is possible that they're aren't 100,000 people who care about the privy. You might at least entertain the possibility. Just because you want the coin to be in high demand doesn't mean it will be.
I believe that 18K number to be bogus. No way that many remain unless the BIGS are returning them by the pallet. Highly unlikely. THKS!
You don't believe it because you don't want it to be true not because you have any actual reason to think it isn't true...
To be completely honest it doesn't really matter much either way. I currently have $550 in the game, I want at least a couple of these absolute GEMS for my private collection if/when/want/able to flip the remainder, perhaps or perhaps not. Lift the HHL ban and let we the people decide if they are popular or not. RGDS!
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@jmlanzaf said:
I don't think the Mint has anything to explain. This is simply not that popular. If you accept that, the one who needs to explain is Pinehurst.
I don't know that you can say they aren't popular. An order, even if it is cancelled, is an expression of demand. If the orders were fraudulent or fake, then that's a different story but I don't think that is the case. I'm also not sure how you can say that a coin that has solidly pre-sold at least 80,000 units 4-6 weeks is not popular.
Edited to add: I bet Dan Carr would love to have a coin he could sell 80k of.
I didn't say they weren't popular. I said they weren't THAT popular. There is zero evidence of 100,000 collectors. Everyone who is blaming the mint vthinks they should be hot and 100,000 mintage is low enough to sustain their value. That simply does not appear to be true.
Lift the HHL and actually ship the damn things then the ATS will quickly = 0. It's as simple as that. RGDS!
Separate point. And also not necessarily true. There are 18,000 coins left. You ASSUME there are 18,000 unsatisfied users. They lifted the HHL in the Superman coins... not sold out. It is possible that they're aren't 100,000 people who care about the privy. You might at least entertain the possibility. Just because you want the coin to be in high demand doesn't mean it will be.
I believe that 18K number to be bogus. No way that many remain unless the BIGS are returning them by the pallet. Highly unlikely. THKS!
You don't believe it because you don't want it to be true not because you have any actual reason to think it isn't true...
To be completely honest it doesn't really matter much either way. I currently have $550 in the game, I want at least a couple of these absolute GEMS for my private collection if/when/want/able to flip the remainder, perhaps or perhaps not. Lift the HHL ban and let we the people decide if they are popular or not. RGDS!
Apparently they listened to you! HHL is now none and they are sold out!🤣😂
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@jmlanzaf said:
I don't think the Mint has anything to explain. This is simply not that popular. If you accept that, the one who needs to explain is Pinehurst.
I don't know that you can say they aren't popular. An order, even if it is cancelled, is an expression of demand. If the orders were fraudulent or fake, then that's a different story but I don't think that is the case. I'm also not sure how you can say that a coin that has solidly pre-sold at least 80,000 units 4-6 weeks is not popular.
Edited to add: I bet Dan Carr would love to have a coin he could sell 80k of.
I didn't say they weren't popular. I said they weren't THAT popular. There is zero evidence of 100,000 collectors. Everyone who is blaming the mint vthinks they should be hot and 100,000 mintage is low enough to sustain their value. That simply does not appear to be true.
Lift the HHL and actually ship the damn things then the ATS will quickly = 0. It's as simple as that. RGDS!
Separate point. And also not necessarily true. There are 18,000 coins left. You ASSUME there are 18,000 unsatisfied users. They lifted the HHL in the Superman coins... not sold out. It is possible that they're aren't 100,000 people who care about the privy. You might at least entertain the possibility. Just because you want the coin to be in high demand doesn't mean it will be.
I believe that 18K number to be bogus. No way that many remain unless the BIGS are returning them by the pallet. Highly unlikely. THKS!
You don't believe it because you don't want it to be true not because you have any actual reason to think it isn't true...
To be completely honest it doesn't really matter much either way. I currently have $550 in the game, I want at least a couple of these absolute GEMS for my private collection if/when/want/able to flip the remainder, perhaps or perhaps not. Lift the HHL ban and let we the people decide if they are popular or not. RGDS!
Apparently they listened to you! HHL is now none and they are sold out!🤣😂
Interesting developments but for cripes sakes I am still backordered. How is that even possible?? SMH!
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@jmlanzaf said:
Now we'll find out what the actual demand is. It should be interesting
Perhaps a BIGS picked up the remainder? RGDS!
EDIT: I mean I got a email today stating its APMEX's 25th anniversary. What about a special 250thArmy/25th Big A special anniversary label? Slap the craps bean on it and oh boy I be getting weak in the knees. Perhaps they just acquired them all? :Moon MoNeY$$$!!! THKS!
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"We are currently out of this item, but it may be restocked later. Be alerted when this product is back in stock."
Yep, re-group and strike at dawn. haha
I hope they just call it a day and decide to determine that the actual population is to be slightly less than 100K with all the unsold or cancelled coins taken to the smelter. Unlikely, I know but Rod Sterling sez.......
Just saw that collectpure lowered their bid price to $175 from $215 ($230 prior) and around 400 units were sold to them...
Either the 18,000 number earlier today was a glitch before the HHL was lifted...or it's not really sold out and more will become available at some point...because 18,000 did not sell today regardless of the limit being lifted.
@Heubschgold said:
"We are currently out of this item, but it may be restocked later. Be alerted when this product is back in stock."
Yep, re-group and strike at dawn. haha
I hope they just call it a day and decide to determine that the actual population is to be slightly less than 100K with all the unsold or cancelled coins taken to the smelter. Unlikely, I know but Rod Sterling sez.......
Just saw that collectpure lowered their bid price to $175 from $215 ($230 prior) and around 400 units were sold to them...
@jmlanzaf said:
Now we'll find out what the actual demand is. It should be interesting
How? We will only ever know that the demand is at least 100k, because that it the amount sold.
Not true. The final demand could be 50,000 in which case the price will start dropping as they can't move product. Or the final demand could be 125,000 in which case the price will stay the same or move up as people try to get them.
We don't know how many of the 100,000 coins are in the hands of resellers instead of collectors. That's why I always refer to this period as the "distribution" period. It's not until the coins get to the end user that you can judge the final demand.
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@RichR said:
Either the 18,000 number earlier today was a glitch before the HHL was lifted...or it's not really sold out and more will become available at some point...because 18,000 did not sell today regardless of the limit being lifted.
Apmex or Pinehurst could easily have bought all 18,000 themselves - if they wanted.
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Mine shipped from Dallas in the east coast batch which I believe has been the first batch out many times. Still after many years there are always so many exceptions it is impossible to tell what method they use .
Whoa!
17,695 ATS
I didn't see that one coming. At this point the mint will have to issue a statement about why their sales numbers in the next report will have dropped so significantly. Surely there can't be this many cancellations?
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Can any statement at this point be credible?
After this debacle, well I definitely still need to purchase my beloved USMC privy and I'll probably get a Navy one to round out the set but that's it. I am more than likely done with the mint at this point. RGDS!
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Silver eagle collectors just threw in the towel.
ats 17529
When they began reprocessing CC's for shipping, some CC's didn't make the cut imo. More cancelled orders from some small flippers? That too.
It's hot... so not
Lmao
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I don't think the Mint has anything to explain. This is simply not that popular. If you accept that, the one who needs to explain is Pinehurst.
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17468 Something is totally twilight zone with this. Tracking the numbers as an 'academic exercise' has been insightful. Some days few were sold. Other days about one hundred in a matter of a few hours and onward.
Credibility down the tubes !!
I wonder whether the Minty just decides to close the doors at whatever the sold number eventually is and thereby reduce the 'mintage' population by the left over number to be melted. Didn't flowing hair total mintage get reduced by a few thousand?
I don't know that you can say they aren't popular. An order, even if it is cancelled, is an expression of demand. If the orders were fraudulent or fake, then that's a different story but I don't think that is the case. I'm also not sure how you can say that a coin that has solidly pre-sold at least 80,000 units 4-6 weeks is not popular.
Edited to add: I bet Dan Carr would love to have a coin he could sell 80k of.
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I stopped buying and sold off everything a few years ago, however in a moment of weakness I fell off the wagon.
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Still too early for the success or fail test.
Armed services privy will be a good one down the road...if they do not mess up the privy releases and blow the whole thing up. I know that is a big if.
So then...is it possible that the department tracking these details was fired recently...hence all the bad data???
not bad data, credit card cancels
Mintage was 17,000….changed to 10,000.
I didn't say they weren't popular. I said they weren't THAT popular. There is zero evidence of 100,000 collectors. Everyone who is blaming the mint vthinks they should be hot and 100,000 mintage is low enough to sustain their value. That simply does not appear to be true.
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Or order cancels..
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Then where are the buyers? No "hot" coin has ever behaved this way
It's not an armed services coin. It's a privy. There may not be 100,000 privy collectors.
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100% no. They are tracked by computer. There is nothing wrong with the data
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Lift the HHL and actually ship the damn things then the ATS will quickly = 0. It's as simple as that. RGDS!
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Separate point. And also not necessarily true. There are 18,000 coins left. You ASSUME there are 18,000 unsatisfied users. They lifted the HHL in the Superman coins... not sold out. It is possible that they're aren't 100,000 people who care about the privy. You might at least entertain the possibility. Just because you want the coin to be in high demand doesn't mean it will be.
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I believe that 18K number to be bogus. No way that many remain unless the BIGS are returning them by the pallet. Highly unlikely. THKS!
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You don't believe it because you don't want it to be true not because you have any actual reason to think it isn't true...
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To be completely honest it doesn't really matter much either way. I currently have $550 in the game, I want at least a couple of these absolute GEMS for my private collection if/when/want/able to flip the remainder, perhaps or perhaps not. Lift the HHL ban and let we the people decide if they are popular or not. RGDS!
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.> @blitzdude said:
Apparently they listened to you! HHL is now none and they are sold out!🤣😂
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Did anyone on here get an order placed after they lifted the HHL?..
I wonder if this is fake news and the website will update tomorrow as available but no HHL...
The comments tonight should be a fun read!
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Interesting developments but for cripes sakes I am still backordered. How is that even possible??
SMH!
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If true they sure went dark quickly after the HHL was removed.
Now we'll find out what the actual demand is. It should be interesting
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more cancellations will likely occur in the next few days
Not so hot, to hot. Lol.
Perhaps a BIGS picked up the remainder? RGDS!
EDIT: I mean I got a email today stating its APMEX's 25th anniversary. What about a special 250thArmy/25th Big A special anniversary label? Slap the craps bean on it and oh boy I be getting weak in the knees. Perhaps they just acquired them all? :Moon MoNeY$$$!!! THKS!
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Mine shipped, expected Monday.......
Yup
How? We will only ever know that the demand is at least 100k, because that it the amount sold.
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Yup to what? You got some after the HHL was lifted or it's fake news?
"We are currently out of this item, but it may be restocked later. Be alerted when this product is back in stock."
Yep, re-group and strike at dawn. haha
I hope they just call it a day and decide to determine that the actual population is to be slightly less than 100K with all the unsold or cancelled coins taken to the smelter. Unlikely, I know but Rod Sterling sez.......
Just saw that collectpure lowered their bid price to $175 from $215 ($230 prior) and around 400 units were sold to them...
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sale 99
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486.79% about 2 hours ago
sale 99
$215.00
486.95% about 2 hours ago
sale 99
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486.95% about 2 hours ago
Either the 18,000 number earlier today was a glitch before the HHL was lifted...or it's not really sold out and more will become available at some point...because 18,000 did not sell today regardless of the limit being lifted.
Yup to ordered after HHL was lifted
I’m sure others did too
And whomever committed them made a quick 40G
Not true. The final demand could be 50,000 in which case the price will start dropping as they can't move product. Or the final demand could be 125,000 in which case the price will stay the same or move up as people try to get them.
We don't know how many of the 100,000 coins are in the hands of resellers instead of collectors. That's why I always refer to this period as the "distribution" period. It's not until the coins get to the end user that you can judge the final demand.
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Apmex or Pinehurst could easily have bought all 18,000 themselves - if they wanted.
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