God comes first in everything I do. I’m dedicated to serving Him with my whole life. Coin collecting is just a hobby—but even in that, I seek to honor Him. ✝️
I would only consider buying it if it had a privy mark.
God comes first in everything I do. I’m dedicated to serving Him with my whole life. Coin collecting is just a hobby—but even in that, I seek to honor Him. ✝️
I think they probably got the mintage right this year. People are climbing over each other to buy 100K proof ASEs with a privy at $105, and there is a $200 dealer bid for them in the secondary market.
Why wouldn't 150K Morgan and Peace Dollars sell at $91 each, with a HHL of 10? I wonder how many were presold by subscription and to dealers, and how many will actually be offered tomorrow?
@Rc5280 said:
"I wonder how many were presold by subscription and to dealers, and how many will actually be offered tomorrow?"
Morgan Unc sales to Bigs, etc = 85,221
Peace Unc sales to Bigs, etc = 80,527
Damn that’s crazy. I’m not familiar with the distributions in the past but more than half of the mintage seems like a ton to send to bigs.
God comes first in everything I do. I’m dedicated to serving Him with my whole life. Coin collecting is just a hobby—but even in that, I seek to honor Him. ✝️
I bought one of each for the design, but that’s it. Continuing a date set makes no sense to me.
The mint will be selling them at Summer FUN today. It will be interesting to see how long the line is.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
@Rc5280 said:
"I wonder how many were presold by subscription and to dealers, and how many will actually be offered tomorrow?"
Morgan Unc sales to Bigs, etc = 85,221
Peace Unc sales to Bigs, etc = 80,527
Damn that’s crazy. I’m not familiar with the distributions in the past but more than half of the mintage seems like a ton to send to bigs.
They aren't sold to bigs. That includes subscriptions to common folk
I beg to differ.
When I say Bigs, what I'm saying is it's the ABPP's who most certainly ordered many thousands of the coins two weeks ago.
They bought individual OGP coins via the (AB) Suffix, and OGP 40 coin trays via the (040) Suffix Bulk channels.
Edit: The 040 40 bulk trays(for the Bigs) went live along with the public offerings at 12:00 ET today.
I launched two additional subscriptions to my account just before 1146AM Eastern Time for 3 each. I liked the 150,000 max each which was pointed out in this thread, so it was an impulse buy for me. No clue if it will get filled as they state 24 hours to process and show up on my subscriptions account. With silver up price should have been higher than $91 a pop. Free ship & no credit card charge until filled.
I see it seems I completed the additional subscriptions as changes are live at 1226 PM Eastern. Will they fill for 2025 or 2026 ? I signed up with 2025 coins imaged and they tried to sell me old 2024 Morgan & Peace issues on my completion page
WILD ! Three Peace "shipped" Three Morgan processing ! 1246PM Eastern
@Rc5280 said:
"I wonder how many were presold by subscription and to dealers, and how many will actually be offered tomorrow?"
Morgan Unc sales to Bigs, etc = 85,221
Peace Unc sales to Bigs, etc = 80,527
Damn that’s crazy. I’m not familiar with the distributions in the past but more than half of the mintage seems like a ton to send to bigs.
They aren't sold to bigs. That includes subscriptions to common folk
I beg to differ.
When I say Bigs, what I'm saying is it's the ABPP's who most certainly ordered many thousands of the coins two weeks ago.
They bought individual OGP coins via the (AB) Suffix, and OGP 40 coin trays via the (040) Suffix Bulk channels.
Edit: The 040 40 bulk trays(for the Bigs) went live along with the public offerings at 12:00 ET today.
You really think they sold 80,000 coins to bigs? Absolutely didn't happen. They are limited in the number that they can buy. That posted sales number includes a limited number of coins to bigs and the vast majority are subscriptions, as I said.
And if you look at the product limit on the 40 coin trays, it is 344 or a total of 13,760 of which 325 ARE STILL AVAILABLE! Those sales are recorded under the other part number. The sales you are seeing for 25XE and 25XH would include a MAXIMUM of 10% (15,000 coins) sold to ABPP buyers if they were allowed to buy them under this part number and not required to use the 40 coin trays and the rest are subscriptions. They 100% did NOT sell 80,000+ coins to "bigs".
@Rc5280 said:
"I wonder how many were presold by subscription and to dealers, and how many will actually be offered tomorrow?"
Morgan Unc sales to Bigs, etc = 85,221
Peace Unc sales to Bigs, etc = 80,527
Damn that’s crazy. I’m not familiar with the distributions in the past but more than half of the mintage seems like a ton to send to bigs.
They aren't sold to bigs. That includes subscriptions to common folk
I beg to differ.
When I say Bigs, what I'm saying is it's the ABPP's who most certainly ordered many thousands of the coins two weeks ago.
They bought individual OGP coins via the (AB) Suffix, and OGP 40 coin trays via the (040) Suffix Bulk channels.
Edit: The 040 40 bulk trays(for the Bigs) went live along with the public offerings at 12:00 ET today.
You really think they sold 80,000 coins to bigs? Absolutely didn't happen. They are limited in the number that they can buy. That posted sales number includes a limited number of coins to bigs and the vast majority are subscriptions, as I said.
And if you look at the product limit on the 40 coin trays, it is 344 or a total of 13,760 of which 325 ARE STILL AVAILABLE! Those sales are recorded under the other part number. The sales you are seeing for 25XE and 25XH would include a MAXIMUM of 10% (15,000 coins) sold to ABPP buyers if they were allowed to buy them under this part number and not required to use the 40 coin trays and the rest are subscriptions. They 100% did NOT sell 80,000+ coins to "bigs".
Well, I 100% did say that "many thousands" were ordered by the Bigs two weeks ago, not "80,000+", and I'll stand by the statement.
There are two Bigs that are in on these programs. Both the entry level NBPP's, and the senior ABPP,s, so I believe that more than 10% was ordered from the Bigs in total?
Agree, many, many are going to individual Subscribers.
@Rc5280 said:
"I wonder how many were presold by subscription and to dealers, and how many will actually be offered tomorrow?"
Morgan Unc sales to Bigs, etc = 85,221
Peace Unc sales to Bigs, etc = 80,527
Damn that’s crazy. I’m not familiar with the distributions in the past but more than half of the mintage seems like a ton to send to bigs.
They aren't sold to bigs. That includes subscriptions to common folk
I beg to differ.
When I say Bigs, what I'm saying is it's the ABPP's who most certainly ordered many thousands of the coins two weeks ago.
They bought individual OGP coins via the (AB) Suffix, and OGP 40 coin trays via the (040) Suffix Bulk channels.
Edit: The 040 40 bulk trays(for the Bigs) went live along with the public offerings at 12:00 ET today.
You really think they sold 80,000 coins to bigs? Absolutely didn't happen. They are limited in the number that they can buy. That posted sales number includes a limited number of coins to bigs and the vast majority are subscriptions, as I said.
And if you look at the product limit on the 40 coin trays, it is 344 or a total of 13,760 of which 325 ARE STILL AVAILABLE! Those sales are recorded under the other part number. The sales you are seeing for 25XE and 25XH would include a MAXIMUM of 10% (15,000 coins) sold to ABPP buyers if they were allowed to buy them under this part number and not required to use the 40 coin trays and the rest are subscriptions. They 100% did NOT sell 80,000+ coins to "bigs".
Well, I 100% did say that "many thousands" were ordered by the Bigs two weeks ago, not "80,000+", and I'll stand by the statement.
There are two Bigs that are in on these programs. Both the entry level NBPP's, and the senior ABPP,s, so I believe that more than 10% was ordered from the Bigs in total?
Agree, many, many are going to individual Subscribers.
@Rc5280 said:
"I wonder how many were presold by subscription and to dealers, and how many will actually be offered tomorrow?"
Morgan Unc sales to Bigs, etc = 85,221
Peace Unc sales to Bigs, etc = 80,527
Damn that’s crazy. I’m not familiar with the distributions in the past but more than half of the mintage seems like a ton to send to bigs.
They aren't sold to bigs. That includes subscriptions to common folk
I beg to differ.
When I say Bigs, what I'm saying is it's the ABPP's who most certainly ordered many thousands of the coins two weeks ago.
They bought individual OGP coins via the (AB) Suffix, and OGP 40 coin trays via the (040) Suffix Bulk channels.
Edit: The 040 40 bulk trays(for the Bigs) went live along with the public offerings at 12:00 ET today.
You really think they sold 80,000 coins to bigs? Absolutely didn't happen. They are limited in the number that they can buy. That posted sales number includes a limited number of coins to bigs and the vast majority are subscriptions, as I said.
And if you look at the product limit on the 40 coin trays, it is 344 or a total of 13,760 of which 325 ARE STILL AVAILABLE! Those sales are recorded under the other part number. The sales you are seeing for 25XE and 25XH would include a MAXIMUM of 10% (15,000 coins) sold to ABPP buyers if they were allowed to buy them under this part number and not required to use the 40 coin trays and the rest are subscriptions. They 100% did NOT sell 80,000+ coins to "bigs".
Well, I 100% did say that "many thousands" were ordered by the Bigs two weeks ago, not "80,000+", and I'll stand by the statement.
There are two Bigs that are in on these programs. Both the entry level NBPP's, and the senior ABPP,s, so I believe that more than 10% was ordered from the Bigs in total?
Agree, many, many are going to individual Subscribers.
NBPP can't buy in advance to my knowledge. Only the ABPP have early access.
No one denied that the bigs bought some. But the vast majority of that pre-sale number was subscriptions from common folks.
@Rc5280 said:
Well @jmlanzaf
Unlike our NJ buddy, I won't argue until blue in the face, not worth it
Lol. I don't want to argue. We may basically agree. You might have interpreted my comment as meaning no biggies got coins and I may have misinterpreted you as saying that the early sales were mostly biggies.
It should be about 15,000 biggies to about 60,000 subscriptions.
Not that it matters as they sold about 10 coins today. Lol
I love both the Morgan & Peace series but wont get in on these. They should have made a bigger (but still lowish) mintage and sold at a reasonable price.
@scotty1419 said:
I love both the Morgan & Peace series but wont get in on these. They should have made a bigger (but still lowish) mintage and sold at a reasonable price.
I suspect this mintage will be on sale for a long time
The 150k max on 2025 Uncs are below 2024 Uncs that were delivered and kept by buyers. Theres still alot of returns from 2024 in all finishes in Mint inventory
I had subscriptions for five of each. When I canceled all of my silver eagle subscriptions, I accidentally canceled the Morgan one. So I had to buy them separately. Oddly, they charged for shipping on the Morgans. I thought if the account qualified for free shipping that it was for all orders, but I guess it is only for subscriptions. I realize they are overpriced. That's why I completely got out of the silver eagles. I put a couple back for my daughters in 70. Never know how many will go 70, so I order 5 and lose money selling the other 3. No more first strike labeling though. That is just salt in the wound.
I'm out. Bought a frame that holds 18 slabs, which covers the 2021-2024 issues. Not going to invest another $200 in a new frame. Nor am I going to keep going with my registry set.
-----Burton ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
Out of curiosity I looked around at the 2023 Peace Dollar uncirculated in OGP for sale and many were to be had for plus or minus $70 a piece. Wait a couple of years and buy them for less. A mintage of 150,000 will never be rare or scarce to be sure.
Was at the FUN show in Orlando today. The mint officials said there were several buyers waiting for the HHL to be dropped and were going to buy them all. Do they know something we don’t?
@safari_dude said:
Was at the FUN show in Orlando today. The mint officials said there were several buyers waiting for the HHL to be dropped and were going to buy them all. Do they know something we don’t?
my prediction is the correct answer is the mint staff knew what we knew: we don't know when the hhl will be lifted
honestly, they will know once the decision is made then they get called or they check the website. anyone goes up to them in the early am, they will tell the eager shoppers "1. hhl is still one, 2. i don't know when they will change it, 3. you can wait here and see if they change it"
one thing they seem to know is whether they have them in-hand or not. if the mint ppl said to wait and they did, then it would look like the mint has them at the show
The US Mint rep said they will always have coins that have been just released at shows….until they sell out. The good thing is there’s no shipping and you can inspect the coins before you leave.
@safari_dude said:
Was at the FUN show in Orlando today. The mint officials said there were several buyers waiting for the HHL to be dropped and were going to buy them all. Do they know something we don’t?
@MsMorrisine said:
my prediction is the correct answer is the mint staff knew what we knew: we don't know when the hhl will be lifted
honestly, they will know once the decision is made then they get called or they check the website. anyone goes up to them in the early am, they will tell the eager shoppers "1. hhl is still one, 2. i don't know when they will change it, 3. you can wait here and see if they change it"
one thing they seem to know is whether they have them in-hand or not. if the mint ppl said to wait and they did, then it would look like the mint has them at the show
The HHL was lifted 24 hours from release, as usual. They are STILL available.
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They are a fluke and overpriced.
God comes first in everything I do. I’m dedicated to serving Him with my whole life. Coin collecting is just a hobby—but even in that, I seek to honor Him. ✝️
I would only consider buying it if it had a privy mark.
God comes first in everything I do. I’m dedicated to serving Him with my whole life. Coin collecting is just a hobby—but even in that, I seek to honor Him. ✝️
ice cold issue
walk, do not run, ...
they are not a troy ounce and are still $91
yes, overpriced
I was unable to cancel my subscription so I am getting one of each.
https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/
I have up on these
I think they probably got the mintage right this year. People are climbing over each other to buy 100K proof ASEs with a privy at $105, and there is a $200 dealer bid for them in the secondary market.
Why wouldn't 150K Morgan and Peace Dollars sell at $91 each, with a HHL of 10? I wonder how many were presold by subscription and to dealers, and how many will actually be offered tomorrow?
"I wonder how many were presold by subscription and to dealers, and how many will actually be offered tomorrow?"
Morgan Unc sales to Bigs, etc = 85,221
Peace Unc sales to Bigs, etc = 80,527
Damn that’s crazy. I’m not familiar with the distributions in the past but more than half of the mintage seems like a ton to send to bigs.
God comes first in everything I do. I’m dedicated to serving Him with my whole life. Coin collecting is just a hobby—but even in that, I seek to honor Him. ✝️
25XE: ats 62860
25XH: ats 67798
but we have seen on the army privy these numbers can go down and up
any outstanding buy offers from buying groups
Not just bigs. Most likely went to subscribers. In the past, when these were actually hot, a far higher percentage were presold via subscription.
that's got to be it
I apparently still had active subscriptions for these. I cancelled the Morgan a few days ago but I let the Peace Dollar ride for one last time.
I really like the look of the uncirculated Peace Dollar.
What has happened to your question marks in recent days?
They appear as microscopic versions of a very ornate question mark.
And when I quoted your text the question mark appeared as a long string of code.
🧐
They aren't sold to bigs. That includes subscriptions to common folk
I bought one of each for the design, but that’s it. Continuing a date set makes no sense to me.
The mint will be selling them at Summer FUN today. It will be interesting to see how long the line is.
Cancelled my subscription couple years ago.
Not somethimg I traditionally collect but I must admit it is tempting to see a fully struck Peace reverse. James
I will wait until next year when they are out of demand and people are selling them cheap to update my set
.
I beg to differ.
When I say Bigs, what I'm saying is it's the ABPP's who most certainly ordered many thousands of the coins two weeks ago.
They bought individual OGP coins via the (AB) Suffix, and OGP 40 coin trays via the (040) Suffix Bulk channels.
Edit: The 040 40 bulk trays(for the Bigs) went live along with the public offerings at 12:00 ET today.
https://www.usmint.gov/on/demandware.store/Sites-USM-Site/default/Product-Variation?pid=25XH040
Due to extraordinary high traffic, we are using a virtual waiting room.
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Morgans in stock.....62,858
Peace Dollars in stock .....67,209.
I launched two additional subscriptions to my account just before 1146AM Eastern Time for 3 each. I liked the 150,000 max each which was pointed out in this thread, so it was an impulse buy for me. No clue if it will get filled as they state 24 hours to process and show up on my subscriptions account. With silver up price should have been higher than $91 a pop. Free ship & no credit card charge until filled.
I see it seems I completed the additional subscriptions as changes are live at 1226 PM Eastern. Will they fill for 2025 or 2026 ? I signed up with 2025 coins imaged and they tried to sell me old 2024 Morgan & Peace issues on my completion page
WILD ! Three Peace "shipped" Three Morgan processing ! 1246PM Eastern
Happy Shopping !
Will this sell out like the Army privy only to reappear? That’s for a different thread.
You really think they sold 80,000 coins to bigs? Absolutely didn't happen. They are limited in the number that they can buy. That posted sales number includes a limited number of coins to bigs and the vast majority are subscriptions, as I said.
And if you look at the product limit on the 40 coin trays, it is 344 or a total of 13,760 of which 325 ARE STILL AVAILABLE! Those sales are recorded under the other part number. The sales you are seeing for 25XE and 25XH would include a MAXIMUM of 10% (15,000 coins) sold to ABPP buyers if they were allowed to buy them under this part number and not required to use the 40 coin trays and the rest are subscriptions. They 100% did NOT sell 80,000+ coins to "bigs".
Well, I 100% did say that "many thousands" were ordered by the Bigs two weeks ago, not "80,000+", and I'll stand by the statement.
There are two Bigs that are in on these programs. Both the entry level NBPP's, and the senior ABPP,s, so I believe that more than 10% was ordered from the Bigs in total?
Agree, many, many are going to individual Subscribers.
NBPP can't buy in advance to my knowledge. Only the ABPP have early access.
No one denied that the bigs bought some. But the vast majority of that pre-sale number was subscriptions from common folks.
Well @jmlanzaf
Unlike our NJ buddy, I won't argue until blue in the face, not worth it
Lol. I don't want to argue. We may basically agree. You might have interpreted my comment as meaning no biggies got coins and I may have misinterpreted you as saying that the early sales were mostly biggies.
It should be about 15,000 biggies to about 60,000 subscriptions.
Not that it matters as they sold about 10 coins today. Lol
that's got to be it> @JBK said:
our researcher posted a page scan it used those question marks. i thought they are cool. they are an image and you're quoting the url
I love both the Morgan & Peace series but wont get in on these. They should have made a bigger (but still lowish) mintage and sold at a reasonable price.
I suspect this mintage will be on sale for a long time
The 150k max on 2025 Uncs are below 2024 Uncs that were delivered and kept by buyers. Theres still alot of returns from 2024 in all finishes in Mint inventory
Here's where the 2025 Uncs are as of 3 days ago
https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/
I also got the shipment email for my one Peace Dollar.
I think I could get cheaper later on if I want one,but I do like the morgan/peace reverse proofs so I'm waiting for them
I had subscriptions for five of each. When I canceled all of my silver eagle subscriptions, I accidentally canceled the Morgan one. So I had to buy them separately. Oddly, they charged for shipping on the Morgans. I thought if the account qualified for free shipping that it was for all orders, but I guess it is only for subscriptions. I realize they are overpriced. That's why I completely got out of the silver eagles. I put a couple back for my daughters in 70. Never know how many will go 70, so I order 5 and lose money selling the other 3. No more first strike labeling though. That is just salt in the wound.
57,303 Morgans remaining.
62,695 Peaces remaining.
I'm out. Bought a frame that holds 18 slabs, which covers the 2021-2024 issues. Not going to invest another $200 in a new frame. Nor am I going to keep going with my registry set.
ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
Just received delivery notifications...Peace on Monday and Morgan on Tuesday.
Love these designs...very excited.
Out of curiosity I looked around at the 2023 Peace Dollar uncirculated in OGP for sale and many were to be had for plus or minus $70 a piece. Wait a couple of years and buy them for less. A mintage of 150,000 will never be rare or scarce to be sure.
Was at the FUN show in Orlando today. The mint officials said there were several buyers waiting for the HHL to be dropped and were going to buy them all. Do they know something we don’t?
my prediction is the correct answer is the mint staff knew what we knew: we don't know when the hhl will be lifted
honestly, they will know once the decision is made then they get called or they check the website. anyone goes up to them in the early am, they will tell the eager shoppers "1. hhl is still one, 2. i don't know when they will change it, 3. you can wait here and see if they change it"
one thing they seem to know is whether they have them in-hand or not. if the mint ppl said to wait and they did, then it would look like the mint has them at the show
The US Mint rep said they will always have coins that have been just released at shows….until they sell out. The good thing is there’s no shipping and you can inspect the coins before you leave.
The HHL was lifted 24 hours from release, as usual. They are STILL available.
The subscription link is still available too!🤣😂
47,896 Morgans remain
52,450 Peace remain