Too slow. If mint wants to sell all of em then remove HHL altogether
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Too slow. If mint wants to sell all of em then remove HHL altogether
100%
The USM is asleep at the wheel.
By keeping the HHL at 1 in place, they are preventing a sellout and also are hurting the secondary market.
Why would someone pay 200+ on eBay for a raw when they could buy it from the mint for 105.
Just let it go. Release the HHL.
I really happen to believe that whomever is responsible for “flicking the switch” on HHL is out on vacation!
@JBK said:
I don't think they're really sitting there when people are still ordering (were backordered, now back to pre-sale). It's all very strange for sure.
There's more than 4000 unsold. Why is that not "sitting there"?
@JBK said:
I don't think they're really sitting there when people are still ordering (were backordered, now back to pre-sale). It's all very strange for sure.
There's more than 4000 unsold. Why is that not "sitting there"?
I thought the number was going up and down, and for a time the page showed "backorder" when it got down to several thousand left. (Why would the mint strike all but the last several thousand?).
There is something going on with the numbers and/or ordering. I have no desire to debate it the way some members do, though. I'll just be interested in the story once the dust settles.
@JBK said:
I don't think they're really sitting there when people are still ordering (were backordered, now back to pre-sale). It's all very strange for sure.
There's more than 4000 unsold. Why is that not "sitting there"?
I thought the number was going up and down, and for a time the page showed "backorder" when it got down to several thousand left. (Why would the mint strike all but the last several thousand?).
There is something going on with the numbers and/or ordering. I have no desire to debate it the way some members do, though. I'll just be interested in the story once the dust settles.
The number has mostly been slowly dropping. I don't really know the details, unlike our friend, but they are not flying off the shelves. They've been available for almost a week now. To me, that indicates something about the demand.
Too slow. If mint wants to sell all of em then remove HHL altogether
They'll be gone by Christmas... and then probably under issue price by the semiquincentennial.
LOL. Better be gone before shipments begin—or else the gamers and sneaker buyers will be returning 50,000 pieces for a refund.
It would be funny if the mint actually strikes the full 100,000 of these things, and they get hit with 50,000 returns. Go ahead and keep that hhl on, and don’t forget to shoot your other foot as well while you’re waiting for a sellout.
I'm still in the waiting room, afraid to refresh...they said not to leave the page or refresh...
I recommend ONLY opening a new page in incognito mode on your web browser and buy one before the eventual sellout!
Don't close that original window....when they lift the HHL, you'll be the first one in!
@ProofCollection said:
Just under 3600 remain. Bid price is up to $230 on Pure and Pinehurst just upped their offer to $195. Demand appears to be growing.
@ProofCollection said:
Just under 3600 remain. Bid price is up to $230 on Pure and Pinehurst just upped their offer to $195. Demand appears to be growing.
@ProofCollection said:
Just under 3600 remain. Bid price is up to $230 on Pure and Pinehurst just upped their offer to $195. Demand appears to be growing.
This tells me that the bid dropped when they held out hope they'd be able to get some from the Mint in quantity when the HHL was lifted. And that, after being available on the Mint's website for over a week now, with no sell out and no lifting of the HHL, they are realizing that is unlikely to happen.
So the bid is going back up. Because demand never actually faded, and they are presently hot. All 100K of them. Right @jmlanzaf?
@coiner said:
You’ve got 4000+ sitting there ready for a good buyer for over a week.
That tells you something.
Mint shenanigans
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God comes first in everything I do. I’m dedicated to serving Him with my whole life. Coin collecting is just a hobby—but even in that, I seek to honor Him. ✝️
the mint stores, even for the us mint hq store staffed by mint employees has to order through the website and have them delivered by ups/fedex or whoever from the facility that ships to us
it'd be interesting to know if they had any in hand
@ProofCollection said:
Just under 3600 remain. Bid price is up to $230 on Pure and Pinehurst just upped their offer to $195. Demand appears to be growing.
This tells me that the bid dropped when they held out hope they'd be able to get some from the Mint in quantity when the HHL was lifted. And that, after being available on the Mint's website for over a week now, with no sell out and no lifting of the HHL, they are realizing that is unlikely to happen.
So the bid is going back up. Because demand never actually faded, and they are presently hot. All 100K of them. Right @jmlanzaf?
They have orders to fill, probably for graded coins, and they need supply but this tepid release is a problem down the line because there is still not demand for 100,000 coins as they continue to languish on the website.
If you look on eBay, there is very little action for raw coins. Lots of resales for graded coins
There is a legitimate case for a growing and potentially significant collecting category regarding the ASE privy.
IHowever it remains to be seen if the Mint can manage the releases to hold interest and value.
Too many iterations, mass production or silly seagulls and they kill values along with interest.
I would like to see them continue with limited mintages, I do not think 100K will ruin values in this case providing they manage privy releases down the road.
@ProofCollection said:
Just under 3600 remain. Bid price is up to $230 on Pure and Pinehurst just upped their offer to $195. Demand appears to be growing.
This tells me that the bid dropped when they held out hope they'd be able to get some from the Mint in quantity when the HHL was lifted. And that, after being available on the Mint's website for over a week now, with no sell out and no lifting of the HHL, they are realizing that is unlikely to happen.
So the bid is going back up. Because demand never actually faded, and they are presently hot. All 100K of them. Right @jmlanzaf?
They have orders to fill, probably for graded coins, and they need supply but this tepid release is a problem down the line because there is still not demand for 100,000 coins as they continue to languish on the website.
If you look on eBay, there is very little action for raw coins. Lots of resales for graded coins
With all due respect, I think you're making my point. Very little action for raw coins because there are not a lot of raw coins available for sale. Which is why the bid is increasing. Lots of resales for graded coins because that's where the retail action is. Which is what is driving demand for raw coins.
I have no opinion on long term value, and am not arguing with you on that. You shouldn't be using what you think the coins will be worth in two years to determine that it's not "hot" now. Anything that increases over 100% in value before it is shipped is, by definition, "hot." The fact that they languish on the website because the Mint refuses to sell them to certain people, or more than one per household, does not make them "cold" while dealers have demand they cannot satisfy. Period.
@ProofCollection said:
Just under 3600 remain. Bid price is up to $230 on Pure and Pinehurst just upped their offer to $195. Demand appears to be growing.
This tells me that the bid dropped when they held out hope they'd be able to get some from the Mint in quantity when the HHL was lifted. And that, after being available on the Mint's website for over a week now, with no sell out and no lifting of the HHL, they are realizing that is unlikely to happen.
So the bid is going back up. Because demand never actually faded, and they are presently hot. All 100K of them. Right @jmlanzaf?
They have orders to fill, probably for graded coins, and they need supply but this tepid release is a problem down the line because there is still not demand for 100,000 coins as they continue to languish on the website.
If you look on eBay, there is very little action for raw coins. Lots of resales for graded coins
With all due respect, I think you're making my point. Very little action for raw coins because there are not a lot of raw coins available for sale. Which is why the bid is increasing. Lots of resales for graded coins because that's where the retail action is. Which is what is driving demand for raw coins.
I have no opinion on long term value, and am not arguing with you on that. You shouldn't be using what you think the coins will be worth in two years to determine that it's not "hot" now. Anything that increases over 100% in value before it is shipped is, by definition, "hot." The fact that they languish on the website because the Mint refuses to sell them to certain people, or more than one per household, does not make them "cold" while dealers have demand they cannot satisfy. Period.
No, I was making a different point. But whatever you like...
The last weekly sales report showed 94,272 in sales, which jibes with the inventory at the time for the start of the week. Only about 2000 left now, so chances of them lifting the HHL are likely gone.
@blitzdude said:
Excess probably just the BIGS returning all those that didn't make the MS70 cut. RGDS!
They don’t have them and second who returns items they can sell raw (upon eventual sellout) for 2x issue.
They have the advance releases, although they are not allowed to ship until the Mint does. I saw them on TV last night.
Also, they can sell them raw for 2x issue right now. Not upon eventual sellout. The bid is live. Right now.
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I'm doubtful that any of them have any Advanced Releases in hand. Maybe on order, but what do I know.
I do know that every single image of a slabbed Army ASE that's on eBay, and most likely shown on your TV show, is a 100% fake/morphed image. The AB's can't pick them up for another week+. None of these has been slabbed yet(opinion)...
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I'm not sure if it was brought up earlier about changing the order quantity when you place your order. I know that when I placed my order I was able to toggle over the hhl of 1 but I switched it back to 1 so to not have any issues with my order getting cancelled. Could it be possible the 40K could have been where people tried to order more than 1? Did anyone here try to toggle to more than 1 and place your order or did everyone here just place it for the single coin?
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Too slow. If mint wants to sell all of em then remove HHL altogether
God comes first in everything I do. I’m dedicated to serving Him with my whole life. Coin collecting is just a hobby—but even in that, I seek to honor Him. ✝️
They'll be gone by Christmas... and then probably under issue price by the semiquincentennial.
We've got 3 more privy eagles coming up. The fun has just begun.
100%
The USM is asleep at the wheel.
By keeping the HHL at 1 in place, they are preventing a sellout and also are hurting the secondary market.
Why would someone pay 200+ on eBay for a raw when they could buy it from the mint for 105.
Just let it go. Release the HHL.
I really happen to believe that whomever is responsible for “flicking the switch” on HHL is out on vacation!
LOL. Better be gone before shipments begin—or else the gamers and sneaker buyers will be returning 50,000 pieces for a refund.
No Primary market—no secondary market.
You’ve got 4000+ sitting there ready for a good buyer for over a week.
That tells you something.
I don't think they're really sitting there when people are still ordering (were backordered, now back to pre-sale). It's all very strange for sure.
There's more than 4000 unsold. Why is that not "sitting there"?
I thought the number was going up and down, and for a time the page showed "backorder" when it got down to several thousand left. (Why would the mint strike all but the last several thousand?).
There is something going on with the numbers and/or ordering. I have no desire to debate it the way some members do, though. I'll just be interested in the story once the dust settles.
The number has mostly been slowly dropping. I don't really know the details, unlike our friend, but they are not flying off the shelves. They've been available for almost a week now. To me, that indicates something about the demand.
Face it, the USMint it’s just messing with y’all! And having a good time of it.
It would be funny if the mint actually strikes the full 100,000 of these things, and they get hit with 50,000 returns. Go ahead and keep that hhl on, and don’t forget to shoot your other foot as well while you’re waiting for a sellout.
I'm still in the waiting room, afraid to refresh...they said not to leave the page or refresh...
I recommend ONLY opening a new page in incognito mode on your web browser and buy one before the eventual sellout!
Don't close that original window....when they lift the HHL, you'll be the first one in!
BST references available on request
Just under 3600 remain. Bid price is up to $230 on Pure and Pinehurst just upped their offer to $195. Demand appears to be growing.
http://ProofCollection.Net
pinehurst email just received - increased our buy price
This is only the beginning. RGDS!
Rejects and errors and lost coins.
OH MY ! They're not in Kansas anymore.
2944 remain now.....656 sold since 4:40pm EST
623 return to inventory tomorrow!
Going to the FUN show in Orlando tomorrow. Will the US Mint be there will some to sell???
selling them is a different question
The date the mint had earlier on their website to ship on July 8th must have been bogus.
This tells me that the bid dropped when they held out hope they'd be able to get some from the Mint in quantity when the HHL was lifted. And that, after being available on the Mint's website for over a week now, with no sell out and no lifting of the HHL, they are realizing that is unlikely to happen.
So the bid is going back up. Because demand never actually faded, and they are presently hot. All 100K of them. Right @jmlanzaf?
D'oh
Inspector Clouseau deduced it.
Mint shenanigans
God comes first in everything I do. I’m dedicated to serving Him with my whole life. Coin collecting is just a hobby—but even in that, I seek to honor Him. ✝️
@ProofCollection wheres the link for selling to pure
God comes first in everything I do. I’m dedicated to serving Him with my whole life. Coin collecting is just a hobby—but even in that, I seek to honor Him. ✝️
the mint stores, even for the us mint hq store staffed by mint employees has to order through the website and have them delivered by ups/fedex or whoever from the facility that ships to us
it'd be interesting to know if they had any in hand
They have orders to fill, probably for graded coins, and they need supply but this tepid release is a problem down the line because there is still not demand for 100,000 coins as they continue to languish on the website.
If you look on eBay, there is very little action for raw coins. Lots of resales for graded coins
Excess probably just the BIGS returning all those that didn't make the MS70 cut. RGDS!
They don't have them. So...no
2456 remaining.
There is a legitimate case for a growing and potentially significant collecting category regarding the ASE privy.
IHowever it remains to be seen if the Mint can manage the releases to hold interest and value.
Too many iterations, mass production or silly seagulls and they kill values along with interest.
I would like to see them continue with limited mintages, I do not think 100K will ruin values in this case providing they manage privy releases down the road.
They don’t have them and second who returns items they can sell raw (upon eventual sellout) for 2x issue.
With all due respect, I think you're making my point. Very little action for raw coins because there are not a lot of raw coins available for sale. Which is why the bid is increasing. Lots of resales for graded coins because that's where the retail action is. Which is what is driving demand for raw coins.
I have no opinion on long term value, and am not arguing with you on that. You shouldn't be using what you think the coins will be worth in two years to determine that it's not "hot" now. Anything that increases over 100% in value before it is shipped is, by definition, "hot." The fact that they languish on the website because the Mint refuses to sell them to certain people, or more than one per household, does not make them "cold" while dealers have demand they cannot satisfy. Period.
They have the advance releases, although they are not allowed to ship until the Mint does. I saw them on TV last night.
Also, they can sell them raw for 2x issue right now. Not upon eventual sellout. The bid is live. Right now.
No, I was making a different point. But whatever you like...
down to 2080
The last weekly sales report showed 94,272 in sales, which jibes with the inventory at the time for the start of the week. Only about 2000 left now, so chances of them lifting the HHL are likely gone.
Yes, this is all old news and obvious.
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I'm doubtful that any of them have any Advanced Releases in hand. Maybe on order, but what do I know.
I do know that every single image of a slabbed Army ASE that's on eBay, and most likely shown on your TV show, is a 100% fake/morphed image. The AB's can't pick them up for another week+. None of these has been slabbed yet(opinion)...
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Silvers bump sealed it now. Gone this evening or over the weekend.
Yes because a $67 premium to spot looks much more enticing than a $68 premium to spot...
I'm not sure if it was brought up earlier about changing the order quantity when you place your order. I know that when I placed my order I was able to toggle over the hhl of 1 but I switched it back to 1 so to not have any issues with my order getting cancelled. Could it be possible the 40K could have been where people tried to order more than 1? Did anyone here try to toggle to more than 1 and place your order or did everyone here just place it for the single coin?
If you try to check out with more than one you get an error message that you are over hhl
Not hot or hot these would have been gone with a HHL of 2 or more. My two cents.
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