2025 flowing hair silver medal

privatecoin · July 1, 2025 10:07AM

Looks too good to be true at that price.

https://www.usamintcoins.com/products/复制🔥-hot-sale-🔥-america-s-first-1794-liberty-flowing-hair--dollar-silver?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0BMABhZGlkAaslRhfpsvwBHpc9RtnemUSVivaQwufmLzxVKqDryeuPtYeDw3dsNbiiGiep-vlajbzRH-pV_aem_WZ_XWUM6OIL21jh-0Qexpg&utm_medium=paid&utm_source=fb&utm_id=120228768175600220&utm_content=120230798012200220&utm_term=120230798012190220&utm_campaign=120228768175600220

privatecoin · July 1, 2025 10:09AM

PeakRarities · July 1, 2025 10:17AM

Scam. Look at the reviews, comically fake feedback and unrealistic prices = RUN.

heavymetal · July 1, 2025 10:20AM

Almost 6000 sold. Oh boy.

johnny9434 · July 1, 2025 10:24AM

Pass

Goldbully · July 1, 2025 10:29AM

I'll take the real deal anytime.....

pcgsregistrycollector · July 1, 2025 10:30AM

fake

JBK · July 1, 2025 10:34AM

@PeakRarities said:
Scam. Look at the reviews, comically fake feedback and unrealistic prices = RUN.

The names on the reviews are great - so generic and imaginative. It looks like someone sat down and made up a list of names.

NJCoin · July 1, 2025 1:08PM

@pcgsregistrycollector said:
fake

It's no more "fake" than a @dcarr piece, since there is no 2025 official Mint version to counterfeit. Of course, it's not really an ounce of silver at $25, but to be honest, anyone who thinks they are buying an ounce of silver for $25 gets exactly what they deserve.

The only thing counterfeited here is the holder. Does our host actually go after this? If not, I don't see why any of us should care about about dummies thinking they are taking advantage of an unknowledgeable seller actually being the ones being taken advantage of.

MsMorrisine · July 1, 2025 1:34PM

counterfeit "bullion" is still a counterfeit

BillJones · July 1, 2025 1:40PM

I'll stick with this.

But I have to admit when I was 16 years old, and could not afford the real thing, I would have liked it.

RiveraFamilyCollect · July 1, 2025 2:05PM

What did I just read.
NJ: It's not fake, sure its not 1oz of silver, and the holder is fake... but other than the coin and holder its totally real. Oh and anyone buying it gets what they deserve.
What.

Coins3675 · July 1, 2025 2:17PM

It cost more than that to get it slabbed if it was real

NJCoin · July 1, 2025 2:34PM

@RiveraFamilyCollect said:
What did I just read.
NJ: It's not fake, sure its not 1oz of silver, and the holder is fake... but other than the coin and holder its totally real. Oh and anyone buying it gets what they deserve.
What.

There is no 2025 FH medal. It is a tribute or fantasy piece. Not a counterfeit, because there is no real item it is pretending to be. No different from what @dcarr makes and sells. And we all love that, don't we?

The seller is obviously misrepresenting base metal as silver. And yes, anyone who thinks they are buying a one ounce silver medal in a PCGS First Strike holder for $25 when silver is trading for more than $36 per ounce gets EXACTLY what they deserve.

And, as I said, if PCGS has better things to do than police the misappropriation of its intellectual property, I see no reason for anyone here to get excited.

NJCoin · July 1, 2025 2:40PM

@Coins3675 said:
It cost more than that to get it slabbed if it was real

Not for a dealer, but that's not really the point here. Modern 69s often retail for the same price as raw. Sometimes even less.

So the cost of slabbing isn't the giveaway. Silver selling in a graded premier TPG slab for a 30% discount to spot silver is.

The question to me is just who is the bigger criminal here? The person selling it for an objectively reasonable price, or the person thinking they are screwing the seller out of $36 worth of silver for $25.

And, as I said, there is no 2025 issue from the Mint, so there is no risk of confusion there. It is not represented as US currency.

It is not represented as an actual 2024 Mint issued medal. It is base medal masquerading as silver being sold for a base medal price. They aren't even trying to hide the fact that it's not a US Mint issue, stating "Limited-Time Factory Price."

If they dated it 2024, and sold it for $300 each, there would be an issue for the public. At $25, the only people getting hurt are those who think they are getting over on the seller. I would argue they deserve it. And, as I said above, PCGS, who is having its intellectual property stolen.

Alpha2814 · July 1, 2025 3:22PM

PCGS fake holder. Badly stuck label on the outside, bad kerning "FI RST", cert number not found...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/236170590934

Onastone · July 1, 2025 3:27PM

Oh crap, it's not real? Dang, I just bought five thousand of them, thought I was getting the deal of a lifetime. That's okay, I can always spray paint them with gold spray paint and sell them as gold for $50 each....see, I'm going to double my money!!!!

pcgsregistrycollector · July 1, 2025 3:28PM

@RiveraFamilyCollect said:
What did I just read.
NJ: It's not fake, sure its not 1oz of silver, and the holder is fake... but other than the coin and holder its totally real. Oh and anyone buying it gets what they deserve.
What.

The air inside the holder is real. That's some expensive oxygen

jmlanzaf · July 1, 2025 3:32PM

@Coins3675 said:
It cost more than that to get it slabbed if it was real

But once it is in a slab, the value of the slab is nearly zero

jmlanzaf · July 1, 2025 4:51PM

@NJCoin said:

@Coins3675 said:
It cost more than that to get it slabbed if it was real

Not for a dealer, but that's not really the point here. Modern 69s often retail for the same price as raw. Sometimes even less.

So the cost of slabbing isn't the giveaway. Silver selling in a graded premier TPG slab for a 30% discount to spot silver is.

The question to me is just who is the bigger criminal here? The person selling it for an objectively reasonable price, or the person thinking they are screwing the seller out of $36 worth of silver for $25.

And, as I said, there is no 2025 issue from the Mint, so there is no risk of confusion there. It is not represented as US currency.

It is not represented as an actual 2024 Mint issued medal. It is base medal masquerading as silver being sold for a base medal price. They aren't even trying to hide the fact that it's not a US Mint issue, stating "Limited-Time Factory Price."

If they dated it 2024, and sold it for $300 each, there would be an issue for the public. At $25, the only people getting hurt are those who think they are getting over on the seller. I would argue they deserve it. And, as I said above, PCGS, who is having its intellectual property stolen.

You MUST be kidding.

If it didn't say "1 oz" and "pure silver" , I might agree.

When did it become criminal to pay the asking price from a business? It's not like they offered $25 for 1 oz of silver. They were asked to pay $25...

Goldbully · July 1, 2025 5:05PM

eBay seller unicorn22562 needs to take these auctions down now.

unicorn22562 eBay link

MsMorrisine · July 1, 2025 5:19PM

@burfle23 got another addition to your list

pcgsregistrycollector · July 1, 2025 5:24PM

@Goldbully said:

eBay seller unicorn22562 needs to take these auctions down now.

unicorn22562 eBay link

hopefully he gets those removed

MsMorrisine · July 1, 2025 5:25PM

MsMorrisine · July 1, 2025 5:25PM

barcode reads but doesn't match numerals

MsMorrisine · July 1, 2025 5:27PM

MsMorrisine · July 1, 2025 5:28PM

that's the barcode's cert lookup

MsMorrisine · July 1, 2025 5:34PM

here's the coin number for the one on the label

https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/2024-50-american-buffalo-9999-fine-gold-first-day-issue/935959

https://www.pcgs.com/pop/detail/category/1651?l=gold-buffalos-2006-date&ccid=0&bsn=935925&sn=935959&pn=1&ps=100

MsMorrisine · July 1, 2025 5:37PM

you see they get the real and verifiable info, but invalid cert number. could they also have counterfeit fdoi 2024 buffs for sale? or counterfeit 2023 $50 AGE MS70 FS fr sale?

MsMorrisine · July 1, 2025 5:45PM

@pcgsregistrycollector said:

hopefully he gets those removed

start a new thread asking everyone to report them.

NJCoin · July 1, 2025 6:09PM

@jmlanzaf said:

@NJCoin said:

@Coins3675 said:
It cost more than that to get it slabbed if it was real

Not for a dealer, but that's not really the point here. Modern 69s often retail for the same price as raw. Sometimes even less.

So the cost of slabbing isn't the giveaway. Silver selling in a graded premier TPG slab for a 30% discount to spot silver is.

The question to me is just who is the bigger criminal here? The person selling it for an objectively reasonable price, or the person thinking they are screwing the seller out of $36 worth of silver for $25.

And, as I said, there is no 2025 issue from the Mint, so there is no risk of confusion there. It is not represented as US currency.

It is not represented as an actual 2024 Mint issued medal. It is base medal masquerading as silver being sold for a base medal price. They aren't even trying to hide the fact that it's not a US Mint issue, stating "Limited-Time Factory Price."

If they dated it 2024, and sold it for $300 each, there would be an issue for the public. At $25, the only people getting hurt are those who think they are getting over on the seller. I would argue they deserve it. And, as I said above, PCGS, who is having its intellectual property stolen.

You MUST be kidding.

If it didn't say "1 oz" and "pure silver" , I might agree.

When did it become criminal to pay the asking price from a business? It's not like they offered $25 for 1 oz of silver. They were asked to pay $25...

When you know a price is mismarked. It's a form of stealing.

If you did that at Walmart with a 65 inch TV marked $49.99, checked yourself out and were then stopped by security, you'd be arrested even though all you did was "pay the asking price from a business."

To me, it's no different from buying something off the back of a truck, thinking it's stolen, only to find out later it's counterfeit crap. You might think you're a victim, but you're not. If you think you're buying an ounce of silver in a PCGS slab for $25, and it turns out to be copper nickel, you're not a victim. Absolutely not kidding.

burfle23 · July 2, 2025 6:29AM

The OP's posted one looks like the typical CN counterfeiter's ware. Gibberish barcode, cert is not valid and no PCGS logo in the right obv lower corner. Hard to keep track of all they are releasing so appreciate this post!

It is odd I found a 2024 listed on the Bay with the seame cert number that won't pull up...

Love the Bay example and the documentation here. I will report it as well.

LJenkins11 · July 2, 2025 7:21AM

They sell Buffalo too! Yes fake but I would like to see the Mint actually strike silver Buffalo with the same textured fields that the gold buffalo offers.

jmlanzaf · July 2, 2025 11:47AM

@NJCoin said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@NJCoin said:

@Coins3675 said:
It cost more than that to get it slabbed if it was real

Not for a dealer, but that's not really the point here. Modern 69s often retail for the same price as raw. Sometimes even less.

So the cost of slabbing isn't the giveaway. Silver selling in a graded premier TPG slab for a 30% discount to spot silver is.

The question to me is just who is the bigger criminal here? The person selling it for an objectively reasonable price, or the person thinking they are screwing the seller out of $36 worth of silver for $25.

And, as I said, there is no 2025 issue from the Mint, so there is no risk of confusion there. It is not represented as US currency.

It is not represented as an actual 2024 Mint issued medal. It is base medal masquerading as silver being sold for a base medal price. They aren't even trying to hide the fact that it's not a US Mint issue, stating "Limited-Time Factory Price."

If they dated it 2024, and sold it for $300 each, there would be an issue for the public. At $25, the only people getting hurt are those who think they are getting over on the seller. I would argue they deserve it. And, as I said above, PCGS, who is having its intellectual property stolen.

You MUST be kidding.

If it didn't say "1 oz" and "pure silver" , I might agree.

When did it become criminal to pay the asking price from a business? It's not like they offered $25 for 1 oz of silver. They were asked to pay $25...

When you know a price is mismarked. It's a form of stealing.

If you did that at Walmart with a 65 inch TV marked $49.99, checked yourself out and were then stopped by security, you'd be arrested even though all you did was "pay the asking price from a business."

To me, it's no different from buying something off the back of a truck, thinking it's stolen, only to find out later it's counterfeit crap. You might think you're a victim, but you're not. If you think you're buying an ounce of silver in a PCGS slab for $25, and it turns out to be copper nickel, you're not a victim. Absolutely not kidding.

Assumes facts not in evidence. There are legitimate businesses that sell silver ounces at 30% below the silver price. Usually a limit, of course, and strictly a loss leader for information harvesting.

pcgsregistrycollector · July 2, 2025 12:15PM

@LJenkins11 said:
They sell Buffalo too! Yes fake but I would like to see the Mint actually strike silver Buffalo with the same textured fields that the gold buffalo offers.

frowning indian variety

JBK · July 2, 2025 12:29PM

@LJenkins11 said:
They sell Buffalo too! Yes fake but I would like to see the Mint actually strike silver Buffalo with the same textured fields that the gold buffalo offers.

And the label says its a dollar despite no denomination on the "coin" itself.

NJCoin · July 2, 2025 1:03PM

@jmlanzaf said:

@NJCoin said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@NJCoin said:

@Coins3675 said:
It cost more than that to get it slabbed if it was real

Not for a dealer, but that's not really the point here. Modern 69s often retail for the same price as raw. Sometimes even less.

So the cost of slabbing isn't the giveaway. Silver selling in a graded premier TPG slab for a 30% discount to spot silver is.

The question to me is just who is the bigger criminal here? The person selling it for an objectively reasonable price, or the person thinking they are screwing the seller out of $36 worth of silver for $25.

And, as I said, there is no 2025 issue from the Mint, so there is no risk of confusion there. It is not represented as US currency.

It is not represented as an actual 2024 Mint issued medal. It is base medal masquerading as silver being sold for a base medal price. They aren't even trying to hide the fact that it's not a US Mint issue, stating "Limited-Time Factory Price."

If they dated it 2024, and sold it for $300 each, there would be an issue for the public. At $25, the only people getting hurt are those who think they are getting over on the seller. I would argue they deserve it. And, as I said above, PCGS, who is having its intellectual property stolen.

You MUST be kidding.

If it didn't say "1 oz" and "pure silver" , I might agree.

When did it become criminal to pay the asking price from a business? It's not like they offered $25 for 1 oz of silver. They were asked to pay $25...

When you know a price is mismarked. It's a form of stealing.

If you did that at Walmart with a 65 inch TV marked $49.99, checked yourself out and were then stopped by security, you'd be arrested even though all you did was "pay the asking price from a business."

To me, it's no different from buying something off the back of a truck, thinking it's stolen, only to find out later it's counterfeit crap. You might think you're a victim, but you're not. If you think you're buying an ounce of silver in a PCGS slab for $25, and it turns out to be copper nickel, you're not a victim. Absolutely not kidding.

Assumes facts not in evidence. There are legitimate businesses that sell silver ounces at 30% below the silver price. Usually a limit, of course, and strictly a loss leader for information harvesting.

Yes. Assumes facts not in evidence. Except we're not in court, but I'm very comfortable with my assumption.

For the sake of argument, there is always an outlier. And you are always right on it, as though exceptions prove rules. They don't. Which is why they are exceptions.

Also entirely possible the dopes buying that crap know exactly what they are buying, because @dcarr built a thriving tribute and fantasy market, and he doesn't sell precious metals below cost. Always an argument to be made. To support any point. No matter how extreme, how unlikely.

lilolme · July 2, 2025 1:55PM

@burfle23 said:
The OP's posted one looks like the typical CN counterfeiter's ware. Gibberish barcode, cert is not valid and no PCGS logo in the right obv lower corner. Hard to keep track of all they are releasing so appreciate this post!

It is odd I found a 2024 listed on the Bay with the seame cert number that won't pull up...

Love the Bay example and the documentation here. I will report it as well.

The obverse slab shown (and the OP) appears to match the 'generic' photo that APMEX is using for some of their products.
That is the coin # 000000 and cert number 26631491 and the general positioning of the text.
I did not check all the way across but the bar code may be the same.
Again this is a 'generic' APMEX picture and states:
"Your purchase is guaranteed to match the quality of the product shown. It will not be this exact item."

So could be using the APMEX 'generic' picture to modify for their own use.

Product page:
https://www.apmex.com/category/22320/u-s-silver-modern-commemorative-coins?f_mintyear=2024&page=1&_=1751488135354

This is the 2024 flowing hair first strike:
https://www.apmex.com/product/305753/2024-flowing-hair-230th-anniversary-silver-medal-ms-69-pcgs-fs

A 2024 Peace dollar:
https://www.apmex.com/product/299212/2024-silver-peace-dollar-ms-69-pcgs-firststrike

A 2024 Morgan dollar:
https://www.apmex.com/product/299197/2024-silver-morgan-dollar-ms-69-pcgs-firststrike

burfle23 · July 2, 2025 5:53PM

A couple more were seen today; the 1st on the Bay, the second across a friend's coin counter...

burfle23 · July 3, 2025 8:34AM

All 5 of the eBay listings were removed...

MsMorrisine · July 3, 2025 11:18AM

good job

pcgsregistrycollector · July 3, 2025 11:58AM

@burfle23 said:
A couple more were seen today; the 1st on the Bay, the second across a friend's coin counter...

thats a terrible fake

raycyca · July 3, 2025 3:17PM

If you look on Facebook, you'll see MANY ads selling 2024 silver eagles. Buy 2 get 3 free! Price is $49.94. The weight is 28 grams instead of 31.4 grams, and size is slightly taller/wider. Comes with a clear plastic holder. They have been reported to the US Secret Service. Waiting for a response.

Aspie_Rocco · July 3, 2025 5:52PM

United States of AMERTCA
Anyone else notice that on the

reverse ?

@burfle23 said:
A couple more were seen today; the 1st on the Bay, the second across a friend's coin counter...

NJCoin · July 3, 2025 6:31PM

@raycyca said:
If you look on Facebook, you'll see MANY ads selling 2024 silver eagles. Buy 2 get 3 free! Price is $49.94. The weight is 28 grams instead of 31.4 grams, and size is slightly taller/wider. Comes with a clear plastic holder. They have been reported to the US Secret Service. Waiting for a response.

Don't hold your breath. They are not legal tender, counterfeit or otherwise, and don't purport to be. The US Secret Service isn't going to care about this any more than they do fake Rolexes in Times Square.

The Secret Service cares about counterfeit bills entering circulation, undermining the integrity of US currency. And multi million dollar gold coins that were never released into circulation. Not fake $25 medals.

jmlanzaf · July 4, 2025 5:38AM

@NJCoin said:

@raycyca said:
If you look on Facebook, you'll see MANY ads selling 2024 silver eagles. Buy 2 get 3 free! Price is $49.94. The weight is 28 grams instead of 31.4 grams, and size is slightly taller/wider. Comes with a clear plastic holder. They have been reported to the US Secret Service. Waiting for a response.

Don't hold your breath. They are not legal tender, counterfeit or otherwise, and don't purport to be. The US Secret Service isn't going to care about this any more than they do fake Rolexes in Times Square.

The Secret Service cares about counterfeit bills entering circulation, undermining the integrity of US currency. And multi million dollar gold coins that were never released into circulation. Not fake $25 medals.

Silver Eagles are $1 US coins.

fathom · July 4, 2025 6:24AM

Scam and misleading maybe, but large retailers have issues or knowingly facilitate knockoff products.

NJCoin · July 4, 2025 7:06AM

@jmlanzaf said:

@NJCoin said:

@raycyca said:
If you look on Facebook, you'll see MANY ads selling 2024 silver eagles. Buy 2 get 3 free! Price is $49.94. The weight is 28 grams instead of 31.4 grams, and size is slightly taller/wider. Comes with a clear plastic holder. They have been reported to the US Secret Service. Waiting for a response.

Don't hold your breath. They are not legal tender, counterfeit or otherwise, and don't purport to be. The US Secret Service isn't going to care about this any more than they do fake Rolexes in Times Square.

The Secret Service cares about counterfeit bills entering circulation, undermining the integrity of US currency. And multi million dollar gold coins that were never released into circulation. Not fake $25 medals.

Silver Eagles are $1 US coins.

Congratulations. Pay attention, professor -- we are not talking about Silver Eagles here!!! 😀

It says "medal" right on the label. There is no denomination on the piece. It even says "2025," and there is no 2025 issue from the US Mint to counterfeit.

It's fraud because it's not one ounce of silver. It's not a Secret Service concern. Not that they would care about fake Silver Eagles being sold for a fraction of real Silver Eagle prices, but this isn't even that.

It's nothing more than a Chinese tribute to a Mint medal, fraudulently marked as silver. Not even on the item itself, which could be a hint, but on the label and in the description.

jmlanzaf · July 4, 2025 7:20AM

@NJCoin said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@NJCoin said:

@raycyca said:
If you look on Facebook, you'll see MANY ads selling 2024 silver eagles. Buy 2 get 3 free! Price is $49.94. The weight is 28 grams instead of 31.4 grams, and size is slightly taller/wider. Comes with a clear plastic holder. They have been reported to the US Secret Service. Waiting for a response.

Don't hold your breath. They are not legal tender, counterfeit or otherwise, and don't purport to be. The US Secret Service isn't going to care about this any more than they do fake Rolexes in Times Square.

The Secret Service cares about counterfeit bills entering circulation, undermining the integrity of US currency. And multi million dollar gold coins that were never released into circulation. Not fake $25 medals.

Silver Eagles are $1 US coins.

Congratulations. Pay attention, professor -- we are not talking about Silver Eagles here!!! 😀

It says "medal" right on the label. There is no denomination on the piece. It even says "2025," and there is no 2025 issue from the US Mint to counterfeit.

It's fraud because it's not one ounce of silver. It's not a Secret Service concern. Not that they would care about fake Silver Eagles being sold for a fraction of real Silver Eagle prices, but this isn't even that.

It's nothing more than a Chinese tribute to a Mint medal, fraudulently marked as silver. Not even on the item itself, which could be a hint, but on the label and in the description.

The post YOU responded to that mentioned the secret service referred to ASE's in Facebook NOT the coins under discussion on this thread. It is you who have failed to read carefully.

Your apology is accepted.

NJCoin · July 4, 2025 7:23AM

@jmlanzaf said:

@NJCoin said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@NJCoin said:

@raycyca said:
If you look on Facebook, you'll see MANY ads selling 2024 silver eagles. Buy 2 get 3 free! Price is $49.94. The weight is 28 grams instead of 31.4 grams, and size is slightly taller/wider. Comes with a clear plastic holder. They have been reported to the US Secret Service. Waiting for a response.

Don't hold your breath. They are not legal tender, counterfeit or otherwise, and don't purport to be. The US Secret Service isn't going to care about this any more than they do fake Rolexes in Times Square.

The Secret Service cares about counterfeit bills entering circulation, undermining the integrity of US currency. And multi million dollar gold coins that were never released into circulation. Not fake $25 medals.

Silver Eagles are $1 US coins.

Congratulations. Pay attention, professor -- we are not talking about Silver Eagles here!!! 😀

It says "medal" right on the label. There is no denomination on the piece. It even says "2025," and there is no 2025 issue from the US Mint to counterfeit.

It's fraud because it's not one ounce of silver. It's not a Secret Service concern. Not that they would care about fake Silver Eagles being sold for a fraction of real Silver Eagle prices, but this isn't even that.

It's nothing more than a Chinese tribute to a Mint medal, fraudulently marked as silver. Not even on the item itself, which could be a hint, but on the label and in the description.

The post YOU responded to that mentioned the secret service referred to ASE's in Facebook NOT the coins under discussion on this thread. It is you who have failed to read carefully.

Your apology is accepted.

Thank you for accepting my sincere apology!! I did not notice that. The rest of my point stands. The Secret Service cares about currency entering commerce. And big money items like the 1933 Double Eagle. Not this crap.

HalfDime · July 4, 2025 7:33AM

Anyone giving them all their personal information are not thinking clearly.

2025 flowing hair silver medal

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