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  • Coinbert
    Coinbert Posts: 763 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS 65+ Red

  • JeffersonFrog
    JeffersonFrog Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    If we were all the same, the world would be an incredibly boring place.

    Tommy

  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS67+ FB

  • Copperindian
    Copperindian Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS67FB

    “The thrill of the hunt never gets old”

    PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
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    Indy Eagles
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    Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
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  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS65FB

  • Coinbert
    Coinbert Posts: 763 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS66 FB

  • marcmoish
    marcmoish Posts: 6,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    66+ FB

  • pcgsregistrycollector
    pcgsregistrycollector Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    67 No FB

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  • JeffersonFrog
    JeffersonFrog Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @pcgsregistrycollector you are correct. PCGS MS67 (on the road so can’t post the slab pic)

    If we were all the same, the world would be an incredibly boring place.

    Tommy

  • pcgsregistrycollector
    pcgsregistrycollector Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @JeffersonFrog said:
    @pcgsregistrycollector you are correct. PCGS MS67 (on the road so can’t post the slab pic)

    Thanks!


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  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS 64

  • Copperindian
    Copperindian Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I know nothing about these. Stars look full, motto good, hair OK. Nice coin, so I’ll say:
    MS 62

    “The thrill of the hunt never gets old”

    PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
    Copperindian
    Copperindian II
    Indy Eagles
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    Bust Caps

    Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
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  • Clackamas1
    Clackamas1 Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 5, 2025 9:48AM
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    58

  • Coinbert
    Coinbert Posts: 763 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Wow! A real beauty. Doesn't really matter what the grade is on this one.
    MS 63

  • lkenefic
    lkenefic Posts: 9,518 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Wowzerz... the MS grades I was considering have been taken, so I'll say AU58+...

    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

    Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.
  • marcmoish
    marcmoish Posts: 6,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Love this one.
    62+

  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AU58+ though I really wanted to say 66.

  • pcgsregistrycollector
    pcgsregistrycollector Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @lkenefic said:
    Wowzerz... the MS grades I was considering have been taken, so I'll say AU58+...

    You got it! @Coinscratch also got it, but you got it first.

    Here's the coin:

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  • lkenefic
    lkenefic Posts: 9,518 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    OK. I don't think I've shared this one before:

    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

    Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.
  • Copperindian
    Copperindian Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    VG08

    “The thrill of the hunt never gets old”

    PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
    Copperindian
    Copperindian II
    Indy Eagles
    Gold Rush
    Bust Caps

    Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
    Copperindian
    Nickelodeon
    Early Walkers

    Successful transactions: redraider, winesteven, renomedphys, splitaces, oreville, ajaan, Cent1225, onlyroosies, justindan, blitzdude, DesertMoon, johnnyb, Heubschgold, SunshineRareCoins, ParadimeCoins, ndeagles, Southern_Knights, pcgsregistrycollector, BruceS

  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    6

  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    VG 10

  • marcmoish
    marcmoish Posts: 6,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    hmm 4 or 12?, enough detail to go with 12, so F12 it is.

  • Clackamas1
    Clackamas1 Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    4 Its a tough one since some of the detail is as good as a 20.

  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,046 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    i'm in at 8

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  • lkenefic
    lkenefic Posts: 9,518 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    ...tough one. It's unattributed in the holder but I believe it's an S-62 (Trephined Head) before the obverse cud (which would make it an R4 piece)...

    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

    Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.
  • pcgsregistrycollector
    pcgsregistrycollector Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    15

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  • Smudge
    Smudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    12

  • Copperindian
    Copperindian Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    New day - how about VF20…..

    “The thrill of the hunt never gets old”

    PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
    Copperindian
    Copperindian II
    Indy Eagles
    Gold Rush
    Bust Caps

    Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
    Copperindian
    Nickelodeon
    Early Walkers

    Successful transactions: redraider, winesteven, renomedphys, splitaces, oreville, ajaan, Cent1225, onlyroosies, justindan, blitzdude, DesertMoon, johnnyb, Heubschgold, SunshineRareCoins, ParadimeCoins, ndeagles, Southern_Knights, pcgsregistrycollector, BruceS

  • lkenefic
    lkenefic Posts: 9,518 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Copperindian said:
    New day - how about VF20…..

    ...and a Winner just under the wire!

    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

    Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.
  • Copperindian
    Copperindian Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @lkenefic: nice coin!

    This one may be a bit tricky, but I’ll give a hint. I’m looking for a bit more than the numerical grade - it’s a particular feature of this coin. Remember, too, FE’s do not have color designations.


    “The thrill of the hunt never gets old”

    PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
    Copperindian
    Copperindian II
    Indy Eagles
    Gold Rush
    Bust Caps

    Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
    Copperindian
    Nickelodeon
    Early Walkers

    Successful transactions: redraider, winesteven, renomedphys, splitaces, oreville, ajaan, Cent1225, onlyroosies, justindan, blitzdude, DesertMoon, johnnyb, Heubschgold, SunshineRareCoins, ParadimeCoins, ndeagles, Southern_Knights, pcgsregistrycollector, BruceS

  • Coinbert
    Coinbert Posts: 763 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS 65 Large Letters

  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    1858/7 MS64

  • lkenefic
    lkenefic Posts: 9,518 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS64 Large Letters

    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

    Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.
  • Copperindian
    Copperindian Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    In fairness to @Coinbert & @lkenefic, while the coin is part of the LL group, the label doesn’t read that way. You both get another guess (hint: see @jfriedm56 answer).
    But Zack, your answer isn’t complete. I think you might know what I mean.
    This is a tough one, so I’m giving out hints.
    Finally, no second chances for future LL guesses.

    “The thrill of the hunt never gets old”

    PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
    Copperindian
    Copperindian II
    Indy Eagles
    Gold Rush
    Bust Caps

    Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
    Copperindian
    Nickelodeon
    Early Walkers

    Successful transactions: redraider, winesteven, renomedphys, splitaces, oreville, ajaan, Cent1225, onlyroosies, justindan, blitzdude, DesertMoon, johnnyb, Heubschgold, SunshineRareCoins, ParadimeCoins, ndeagles, Southern_Knights, pcgsregistrycollector, BruceS

  • lkenefic
    lkenefic Posts: 9,518 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    ...gotcha... 1858/7 MS65

    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

    Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.
  • Smudge
    Smudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    .

  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Copperindian said:
    In fairness to @Coinbert & @lkenefic, while the coin is part of the LL group, the label doesn’t read that way. You both get another guess (hint: see @jfriedm56 answer).
    But Zack, your answer isn’t complete. I think you might know what I mean.
    This is a tough one, so I’m giving out hints.
    Finally, no second chances for future LL guesses.

    So Ken, are you referring to the internal cud or die break on the eagle’s upper right wing? Or the high leaves variety reverse? Zack.

  • Copperindian
    Copperindian Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @jfriedm56: no Zack, that’s not it. I’m looking for something that’s particular to this variety.

    “The thrill of the hunt never gets old”

    PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
    Copperindian
    Copperindian II
    Indy Eagles
    Gold Rush
    Bust Caps

    Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
    Copperindian
    Nickelodeon
    Early Walkers

    Successful transactions: redraider, winesteven, renomedphys, splitaces, oreville, ajaan, Cent1225, onlyroosies, justindan, blitzdude, DesertMoon, johnnyb, Heubschgold, SunshineRareCoins, ParadimeCoins, ndeagles, Southern_Knights, pcgsregistrycollector, BruceS

  • pcgsregistrycollector
    pcgsregistrycollector Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    8/7 MS-65?

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  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 8, 2025 5:09AM
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    @Copperindian, my final thoughts on the variety would be broken wing tip also. If that’s not it, I’m out Ken. Edited to add- Strong overdate.

  • Copperindian
    Copperindian Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    OK, this was a tough one. @jfriedm56 - you were actually on it Zack; see below:

    Your mention of a broken wing tip was spot on as all these have that characteristic. The tail feathers also come in varying degrees of strike, but virtually none are full. That also makes the leaves on the upper right reverse to lack detail.
    In the answer I was looking for “”Strong” as it’s important as to the coin’s value. These come in varying degrees of strike. PCGS made the decision (correctly) to add “strong” to the EDS examples some 6-7 years ago. There are very few of them & they’re much more valuable - double or more of the later die states. This coin is one of the EDS with “strong”; PCGS was very tough on this one with the 63 grade.
    I’m out of the loop today, so I’ll defer to @jfriedman56 for next up. Btw, Zack, imo this coin is a 64, so when you added “strong” to your guess this AM, it was as close to correct as possible without actually guessing the 63 on the label.
    Finally, the LL guesses were partially correct as this variety is under the LL category. All 1858 FE’s are generally either LL or SL.

    “The thrill of the hunt never gets old”

    PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
    Copperindian
    Copperindian II
    Indy Eagles
    Gold Rush
    Bust Caps

    Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
    Copperindian
    Nickelodeon
    Early Walkers

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  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Copperindian, thanks Ken. Didn’t quite understand what you were going for early on. I guess I need to enlarge and study the entries more closely. Let’s try this one.

  • Smudge
    Smudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    63RB

  • pcgsregistrycollector
    pcgsregistrycollector Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-64

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  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS66RB

  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    For those that don’t collect coppers, remember, the copper and bronze coins from 1793 to the present will have a color designation. @pcgsregistrycollector.

  • pcgsregistrycollector
    pcgsregistrycollector Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-64 RB

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  • marcmoish
    marcmoish Posts: 6,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    62RB

  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nope, not there yet.

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