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The 1904 $20 MS-63 with gold CAC sticker Liberty in PCGS white label rattler sold for what?????
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$45,000 at GC tonight!!!!
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It was stickered also... thought gold CAC but maybe just a green one...
Lol
That caused a 3x bonus lol
You want a 1904 $20 MS-63 Lib? I can get you a 1904 $20 MS-63 Lib, believe me. There are ways, Dude. You don't wanna know about it, believe me. Hell, I can get you a 1904 $20 MS-63 Lib by 3 o'clock this afternoon...
It was CAC Gold stickered.
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Watched @johnny010 give it a valiant shot. I know those 108 holders are highly desired but JEEZ, I had no idea!
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So how much is my 1924 black NGC 1.0 in MS-63 with a gold sticker worth? I figured I had to wait 10 years to see $20,000 valuation. .
A '24 Saint black NGC with gold CAC? Based on what we just saw, north of $50k. Can we see images please?
It was within the first 100 coins graded, that’s the more important aspect.
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Way more than 20K, and way more than I could afford.
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I’ve seen other 1080s sell between 10-20k the past couple years. NGC black labels around the same, a non CAC Peace dollar sold for 7,500 in 2023. Like @Rexford said, this one is within the 1st 100 coins which is one of the main drivers. I could see a gold CAC NGC black saint being 20 or more these days , but not quite as rare as the OP holder.
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So someone bought the holder, huh ?
I've never seen anybody talk about the serial number indicating that a coin at a TPG was one of the first 20 or 100 or 200 or 1,000 ever graded by that TPG...or even for a particular holder type.
Have you veterans see the earliest graded coins sold at huge premiums before ? What about for older holder types ?
Wow…
I’ve owned NGC Blacks and the early “dot” white rattlers. Sold them a few years back and they brought 1/5 of what they are bringing now….crazy!
Looks like @EliteCollection is the new owner.
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Yes, I bought the holder, not the coin.
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Wow, and on a good day this might bring close to melt!
Wow and it’s a common date. Had to be some really rich bidders there.
In related news, the Louvre just received their first fine art CAC submission back.
I collect coins, not slabs. A shot MS-64 in an MS-63 holder, which contains the most common date in the $20 Liberty series, now rates a big premium. Not for me.
PCGS Coin Facts estimates there are 5,500 1904 G$20's in MS65 or higher.
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I collect holders, not coins also
That's a 1.0 not a 1.1. Yes you can get into the weeds on 1st gen holders.
There are exceptions.
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If the bidder numbers can be trusted, there were at least four bidders willing to go to $21,000 and three willing to pay $27,000.
Does anyone know the lowest known 108#### cert that survives?
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There's a census thread here with this listed first.
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not gold stickered?????
Cleaned.
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Which thread is that. FWIW, my coin is #1080094, which is lower than that number.
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This is the thread:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/977463/the-official-pcgs-white-label-rattler-census-71-listed-as-of-11-22-19/p1
Yah good luck with the Proof VDB too
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By PCGS only ?
Isn't the proof VDB that you are looking for in that relatively massive hoard that has been offered for sale for too much money and too many years?
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No better than an MS64. I bought a high end 1904 MS64, once, tried to get a higher grade a couple times, no dice on that. Left cloudiness on holder.
That’s not the point of this thread. @EliteCollection as was previously stated bought the coin because of the holder and not the coin. Nobody in their right mind would pay $45k for a 63 1904 DE in a non vintage holder that might upgrade one or two points. We’re all free to collect however we so desire. Some of us enjoy collecting old holders while others couldn’t care less.
I think we can all see why that slab is worth some sort of premium. It’s really only the price that raises eyebrows.
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Sorry, but the rattle slabs do nothing for me. I avoid them. There was a time 20 to 30 years ago when I sent them in to be reholdered.
Understood. The fact that something has obvious value doesn’t mean that everyone values it.
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Don't drop that holder on the floor when handling it....that's a $40K piece of plastic....
So you admit you caused this "rarity". We found our culprit!
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Collecting rare holders is not much different than collecting rare coins. You can tease me about dropping a $40k slab. Someone else can tease you about dropping a $40k penny. But just like vintage coins, vintage holders are rare and just getting more rare over time. To each their own.
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Over a million coins had been graded by the time this one was slabbed based on the certification number; how many of these white label rattler holders are there?
Actually it's a lot like collecting old Stock Certificates. I don't know for sure but it's a good bet people collect these even though many of the companies that offered the certificates are long gone. The coin in this case is probably immaterial....although I think it's rather nice myself.
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The initial PCGS cert numbers start with 108. It doesn't mean a million coins have been graded. First slab is likely #1080001.
For the Gen 1.0 holders, a few thousand were graded in the first few days of PCGS. Then they switched to Gen 1.1 holders. Out of the few thousands, I saw that some people estimated only about 30 or so are left intact. It's obviously hard to know for sure, but they almost never appear.
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Absolutely. It's your money and no one should tell you what to do with it. If you are happy with a purchase that should be statement enough.
I agree. I recently got a Regency holder with a Blay Lincoln cent in the holder. While the cent is not extremely rare, the fact it WAS in one of the most exclusive penny collections and is in a Regency holder made it all that more valuable to me. Regency holders with American coins are fairly scarce so owning one is just another little piece of PCGS history that I am proud to have in my collection, along with the “Blay” cent since his taste in Lincolns was impeccable!
Shocked / unbelievable. ROFL! Never cared for the rattler slabs, in later years would either pass on them or discount offer.
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Coin 94 (Elite’s coin) is now only the second known to exist in the top 100 (coin 42 is known and is a AU55 Peace dollar).
1.0 holders were only made week one from David Hall’s garage using an 8 bit dot matrix printer that broke. The 1.0 holders have the cert number at the bottom of the label and are very rare.
Coin 94 is a spectacular piece of Americana. I’m happy Elite won such a great treasure.
Photo of the aforementioned Peace dollar: