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Guess the grade on this 1884-CC GSA Morgan,,,,,

GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,785 ✭✭✭✭✭

Please give me your opinion on the grade of this coin.

Thanks,

GrandAm :)
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    BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,198 ✭✭✭✭

    65

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,968 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64 flirting with PL.

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    pcgsregistrycollectorpcgsregistrycollector Posts: 2,304 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS-65+ GSA PCGS OGH With CAC Green and CMQ sticker

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    World67World67 Posts: 13,088 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64+

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 16,605 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64 (not flirting with PL).

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    Sven27Sven27 Posts: 11

    64

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    GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,785 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 7, 2025 1:15PM

    Here is what I see as a typical MS64 CC Morgan,,,,,
    I know,,,,,,, some are better and some are worse,,,,,

    GrandAm :)
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    FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pcgsregistrycollector said:
    MS-65+ GSA PCGS OGH With CAC Green and CMQ sticker

    You’ll notice the little black spot in the upper right reverse picture that tells you it’s in a GSA plastic holder.

    I’ll go with MS65+.

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 32,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    65

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 16,605 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @GRANDAM said:
    Here is what I see as a typical MS64 CC Morgan,,,,,
    I know,,,,,,, some are better and some are worse,,,,,

    Why that post? Are you trying to get people to guess higher?

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    coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 12,450 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would grade it as 64, but would not be surprised if it graded at 65 as GSA's seem too often get some leniency in the grading room.

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    Rc5280Rc5280 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Agree.

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    GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,785 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 7, 2025 1:28PM

    @MFeld said:

    @GRANDAM said:
    Here is what I see as a typical MS64 CC Morgan,,,,,
    I know,,,,,,, some are better and some are worse,,,,,

    Why that post? Are you trying to get people to guess higher?

    I am giving comparables,,,, Hers is a PCGS MS64

    I think the coin deserves a much higher grade than it currently has and I am seeking other opinions.

    GrandAm :)
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    FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @GRANDAM

    From what I see, CACG does not grade these with the bumps PCGS usually does.

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    GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,785 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 7, 2025 1:44PM

    @FlyingAl said:
    @GRANDAM

    From what I see, CACG does not grade these with the bumps PCGS usually does.

    I do not understand what you are saying??? The bumps?

    Do you mean + grades?

    GrandAm :)
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    Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks like a 64 to me. Maybe a 64+ but I don't see it.
    Nice coin. Looks like a keeper.

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    FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @GRANDAM said:

    @FlyingAl said:
    @GRANDAM

    From what I see, CACG does not grade these with the bumps PCGS usually does.

    I do not understand what you are saying??? The bumps?

    Do you mean + grades?

    GSA Morgan’s tend to get more leniency than other Morgan’s, usually around a one point range.

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    MarkInDavisMarkInDavis Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭✭

    My first thought was 65. But I could see it as a 64 as well.

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    nagsnags Posts: 906 ✭✭✭✭
    1. Normal chatter on the cheek and in the fields. The reverse has a bit more chatter in the fields than I would have expected based on the obverse.
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    GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,785 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 7, 2025 2:07PM

    @FlyingAl said:

    @GRANDAM said:

    @FlyingAl said:
    @GRANDAM

    From what I see, CACG does not grade these with the bumps PCGS usually does.

    I do not understand what you are saying??? The bumps?

    Do you mean + grades?

    GSA Morgan’s tend to get more leniency than other Morgan’s, usually around a one point range.

    Yes, I never agreed with that position on grading. A MS64 should be a MS64 regardless of Mint or Date.

    On that note alot on 1881-S 1882-S, 1883-S & 1884-S coins would be graded 2 points higher if they were any other date.

    GrandAm :)
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    RexfordRexford Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A nice 63. Grading of course isn’t always consistent, but the marks on the 64s in this thread, while they might seem more numerous, are generally not as deep. They’re more surface grazes than hits. The hits on the OP coin are rough enough that I wouldn’t go 64.

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    john_nyc1john_nyc1 Posts: 213 ✭✭✭
    edited May 7, 2025 2:10PM
    1. Can’t go higher due to marks on cheek, neck and in the fields behind Liberty’s hair. Nice coin.

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    coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64

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    WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 10,272 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64

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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 10,047 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS64.5 (rounded to MS64).

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 16,605 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @GRANDAM said:

    @MFeld said:

    @GRANDAM said:
    Here is what I see as a typical MS64 CC Morgan,,,,,
    I know,,,,,,, some are better and some are worse,,,,,

    Why that post? Are you trying to get people to guess higher?

    I am giving comparables,,,, Hers is a PCGS MS64

    I think the coin deserves a much higher grade than it currently has and I am seeking other opinions.

    You’ve been getting other opinions. And unless the coin is graded 63 or lower, the majority of respondents disagree with your opinion.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,785 ✭✭✭✭✭

    We will see,,,,

    GrandAm :)
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    Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm curious when I look at this coin as an example I wonder how much the rub marks affect the grade. They don't look to be scrapes or dings of any kind but just abrasions.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 16,605 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Morgan13 said:
    I'm curious when I look at this coin as an example I wonder how much the rub marks affect the grade. They don't look to be scrapes or dings of any kind but just abrasions.

    I’m familiar with scrapes, dings, abrasions, marks and rub, but not “rub marks”.

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64
    @dcarr when rounding anything after the decimal point that is 5 or higher gets rounded up :P

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    GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,785 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    64
    @dcarr when rounding anything after the decimal point that is 5 or higher gets rounded up :P

    Yes, I agree. Dan you shorted me on the grade,,,,,

    GrandAm :)
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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can we get a reveal?

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    GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,785 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    Can we get a reveal?

    Later tonight,,,, it is not even 5:00 on the west coast.

    GrandAm :)
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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Im fallin asleep.

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    jp84jp84 Posts: 224 ✭✭✭

    64

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    thebeavthebeav Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    johnny010johnny010 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64

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    MorganFanaticMorganFanatic Posts: 104 ✭✭✭

    65

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    HighReliefHighRelief Posts: 3,728 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS64

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    ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,740 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very clean cheek for a CC Morgan.

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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,032 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64+

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    CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 10,897 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63+

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    ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 7,799 ✭✭✭✭✭

    YeahI'm with @mfeld, it's a PCGS 64 (or should be).

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    U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,891 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks like a 64 with a GSA bump up to 65.

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    GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,785 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 7, 2025 10:00PM

    Since almost everyone agree's with me that it is undergraded maybe I should send it to CAC and see if I can get a gold bean. ;)

    GrandAm :)
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    U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 7, 2025 8:13PM

    @GRANDAM said:
    Since almost everyone agree's with me that it is undergraded maybe I should send it to CAC and see if I can get a gold sticker. ;)

    It appears to be like some said-CACG does not give these the "GSA/CC" bump. You probably would have received a 64 with a chance of 65 at NGC or PCGS (but it might take more than one attempt and the fees could add up to where it is not worth trying).

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    World67World67 Posts: 13,088 ✭✭✭✭✭

    GSA Treasure........

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    lermishlermish Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @U1chicago said:

    @GRANDAM said:
    Since almost everyone agree's with me that it is undergraded maybe I should send it to CAC and see if I can get a gold sticker. ;)

    It appears to be like some said-CACG does not give these the "GSA/CC" bump. You probably would have received a 64 with a chance of 65 at NGC or PCGS (but it might take more than one attempt and the fees could add up to where it is not worth trying).

    I have read that the CACG GSA straps are extremely difficult to remove and leave a heavy residue on the holder.

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    GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,785 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just bought it last Sunday already graded. I do not even have it in hand yet. I was looking for a CC in a GSA holder and I found this coin and found it to be far superior to other coins in the same grade. I feel it should grade 1 to 1 1/2 points higher but it will stay in the holder with the CACG grading band.

    GrandAm :)
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    U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,891 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lermish said:

    @U1chicago said:

    @GRANDAM said:
    Since almost everyone agree's with me that it is undergraded maybe I should send it to CAC and see if I can get a gold sticker. ;)

    It appears to be like some said-CACG does not give these the "GSA/CC" bump. You probably would have received a 64 with a chance of 65 at NGC or PCGS (but it might take more than one attempt and the fees could add up to where it is not worth trying).

    I have read that the CACG GSA straps are extremely difficult to remove and leave a heavy residue on the holder.

    Maybe NGC can just put it's strap over the CACG one. :D
    PCGS can slab it inside the bigger slab and it would be double graded. :D

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