100 percent serious this time guys, with concrete evidence.
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Sorry I had to edit the post, I had not done research on the 21 Morgan dies yet before posting so that is my fault, but I still believe this to be true.
I promise on my precious baby kitty, I am not crying wolf or attempting to troll by any means. and I’ll Try to explain this the best that I can. I’m 100% serious when I say that this was a coin that my mom gave me this Christmas. She said it was a family coin. My dad‘s mother passed it on when she died, I’m not joking when I say this, I believe I just identified a zerbe.
First, I noticed the color of the coin when she handed it to me and I was like oh that’s different and I noticed the edge right away because it looked sharper than any other coin I’ve ever seen, but I did notice the sharpness of the rim, besides, have another 1921 that has that too. I hadn’tpaid much attention to it. I was just focused on buying more before I examined the coins that I had already and I totally ignored the randomly appearing family heirloom Christmas coin that just dropped in front of me when I asked my mom numerous times if we had any family coins, weird right? This is wild. The differences are clear in the Zerbe strikes if you look at the pictures.
I noticed the detail in hair as soon as I got it as well I was bothered by a table at a restaurant when she gave it to me, and I just kind of stowed it was a 21 and it was a family Morgan, and I had not known about these yet, until I researched the 22 proof. I am 100% being serious guys, I’m willing to forgive all of you if you just tell me that this is a zerbe right now cuz hooooooly crap man.
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you spent money on a scale and microscope? lol
Sorry, not a Zerbe.
Mint state business strike.
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I'm glad ya got the scale and stuff, nothing wrong with it there
How about those PCGS submission results?
Yup. Not a proof.
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Where's the S mintmark?
Huh?
There is no way that coin is a Proof. Buy a modern Proof set and see if you can see any similarities between the coins in that set and the Mint State Morgan Dollar you have posted. There are none. .
Sorry had a brain malfunction, I was thinking the Zerbes were all San Francisco minted. They were of course Minted in both Philadelphia and San Francisco.
Oh FFS
If you enjoy coin collecting, you must temper your expectations on what you will find in the wild. If every coin you acquire strikes you as a super rare, sand blasted proof, special strike, etc. than you are probably seeing things. The odds are clearly not in your favor.
You may just wanted to search bank rolls or pocket change for a while, but that may be worse if you have the tendency to believe common coins are something more.
Id suggest getting a couple of good books on coinage or peruse these forums for interesting topics. There is a lot to learn. Good luck
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You seem to like doing research with your coins. Have you ever searched for VAMs?
vamworld.com/wiki/1921-P_VAMs
Obv Looks fake to me. Suggest PCGS certified coins.
Send it in and see what our hosts say.
Have u taken it to a coin shop?
Stop. No, you didn't.
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The coin doesn’t show any indication of being counterfeit. It would be a waste of money to submit it for authentication.
At the same time, it’s clearly a common circulation strike and bears no resemblance to a Zerbe “Special Strike” example.
Here’s one that was auctioned recently:
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Probably AU58 because of light handling over a long period of years. If graded by a TPG an MS62 would be possible. Not a proof and not worth grading but still has value because it is silver and is a Morgan Dollar.
I have many, many 1921 coins that look like Zerbe Proofs but they are not. You have no idea what your talking about.
Sorry I don't like to sound mean.
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So, who's going to explain the difference between a Zerbe proof and a circulation strike? Does a Zerbe proof resemble a standard proof coin?
No a Zerbe is a different animal. It's known for plenty of polishing lines with a mild cameo and a few VAMS.
Zerbes were produced in 1921 and 1921-S.
I have seen one in person and I could have purchased it but I passed. I couldnt justify the cost. It did not resemble the one that @MFeld posted. Lower grade and around $11k.
I prefer this for $1500.
You can have a nice PL if you look on ebay. I've seen 63's for under $500.
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there are 10s & 10s of millions of regular 21Morgans, there are 10s of thousands proof "like" 21 Morgans. there are a dozen or so Proofs. Most are know though chain of custody from famous collections. The dies at the 40x magnification level are documented. It isn't just a look its a proven Die and provenance combination. The chances of finding one in the wild of any of the coins is Lotto territory. You can find misattributed proofs but you need to know the Die markers down to a science and like for little poured over niches. Like late seated dollars, seated halves. Early 20th cen stuff is too collected for much to fall though the cracks.
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Sort of, but not too much. There are a handful of coins struck with a specific pair of dies (VAM 1AG) that look like there was intent to make them special coins. This hasn't been found with any other 1921 die marriage, so the conclusion based on looking at the coins is that there was something special about them. They've become to be called "Zerbe Proofs" even though they're not technically proofs and there's nothing specific linking them to Zerbe.
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@Crypto Sorry but I do not believe there are 10s of thousands of PL's. A few hundred sure but no where near your number.
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I’m willing to forgive all of you if you just tell me that this is a zerbe right now cuz hooooooly crap man.
It's all about what the people want...
Boy, am I glad I don’t need your forgiveness…
Does he mean he wasn't 100 percent serious the other times?
I must have missed that. I didn't see evidence of any kind, much less concrete.
I wasn't aware that we were the ones who needed forgiveness.
In conclusion,
Who here remembers the reproduction "1793" cent member who used to post here?
Same kind of writing style as the OP. . .
peacockcoins
Found an example:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1093998/the-story-of-four-authors-and-two-engravers#latest
peacockcoins
Ah, yes, SlickCoins.
Didn't he have a cat? 🤔
It's amazing how these ultra rarities seem to repeatedly gravitate toward certain people. I wish I could be so lucky.
Perhaps a bit more evidence:
Not just the same style of writing, but also his photography is the same:
@SlickCoins
So I was wrong about the timing of the exit,,,I felt everyone deserves more.
After all I made a few BIG BOLD STATEMENTS,
One of the biggest ones I made is that Henry Voigt made this coin.
That's huge and let's begin.
So I know I've said it a few times how thin everything is on this coin thus that being one of the driving aspects of it's real.
I'm a computer tech (hardware) like the specs guy.
So I've learned with their coping techniques the computer is most consistent at putting it the same thickness all over the coin of course that fails and you get pits on the bigger runs aka the face, JMO
In my opinion that shuts down the computer edm theory,
A computer would see what I'm going to show you next,,, but their thickness will be a dead giveaway.
So right to the outside in the sunlight I even lol'd this pic,,, well now I'm laughing at myself.
So with a filter applied we can see how thick or thin things really are.
In my opinion to be this thin and think it would work you would definitely be a clockmaker and not anticipating the brunt force of impact,,, from this you'd have a good starting point on what needed to be thickened.
The base point super duper thin esp compared to the leaf sprig and date. JMO
Thanks all,,, and I'm sorry to have updated things but I thought clarity was needed for one of my biggest statements.
One set pictures outside with snow filter applied and one set inside,,, not my best but thanks to Lance's advice I'm slowly getting better.
Thanks all and this is just for research or whatever.
Last post on this.
Edited to add the photos.
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He had this gem.
We must be desperate to respond to this troll. Waste of effort, guys.
"100 percent serious this time guys, with concrete evidence"
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
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Can we get an end to this troll. This has gone on long enough.
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@HeatherBoyd can we get an end to this?
This has gone on long enough.
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Is that the rare King Goerge II quarter?
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