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The story of four authors and two engravers

SlickCoinsSlickCoins Posts: 658 ✭✭✭
edited August 2, 2023 1:36AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Oh ;) good morning/day all
Authors versus researchers and then on top engravers notes and my humble opinion.

First off the obvious:
The painting of the very first presentation of the 1793 coins where everyone is named, just seems the first engraver was preoccupied for Robert Scott is no where to be found. I mean smoking gun evidence for this would've been a super important day for the first engraver, some might say well Henry was not first engraver because of his dual title, meaning he took on two positions for his skill set was far superior and it was $1200 a year back then so he wanted it.

Since this is engravers and authors and of course being first is huge, Robert Scott was appointed by Jefferson in late 1793 after all coinage had been completed as the records show per the us mint.

End of story no conspiracy and in my humble opinion 1793 would've been over with that said first of anything came and went.

Here's my opinion about the authors, Walter Breen's version matches this pretty cut and dry with what appears to be insider information.

Roger's version is different along with the others presented and all our from our era, now it is very clear somebody has something wrong.

Wikipedia has a version that matches Walter's and therefore they are wrong also per our new authors and their research, just that painting stands in their way and a few other things in my opinion.

The new authors have completely taken out all said "inside information" and have deemed they were either wrong or liars.

See this is where I'm like hmmm 🤔 for I think I've found the coin that matches the insider information, just that means it's fake and I'm a liar and my research is no good because of new and improved researching skills have deemed it otherwise.

Everyone's story from the past are dead wrong per the year 2000 era researchers have found and have disproven all inside information and us mint documentation and I'm sure one fake painting for in fact our precious engraver was there just happened to be busy that day.

So I ask everyone, does this sound kosher?

Thanks all

Comments

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,902 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @burfle23 I told you. ;)

    "Don't worry there will be another whackadoodle thread posted shortly."

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,132 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JoeLewis said:
    Good grief, Slick. Send the coin to PCGS. You haven't because you know it will kill the fantasy. Okay, so keep the fantasy, but STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS COIN HERE.

    Also, your faith in Breen and Wikipedia over material that relies on modern, scholarly research and evidence is hard to understand. You're just not going to get people to agree with you here.

    Try taking part in a thread without making it all about you and your "research."

    Actually, I think he did. In one of his posts he seemed to be complaining about their evaluation of if.

  • NewEnglandRaritiesNewEnglandRarities Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @JoeLewis said:
    Good grief, Slick. Send the coin to PCGS. You haven't because you know it will kill the fantasy. Okay, so keep the fantasy, but STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS COIN HERE.

    Also, your faith in Breen and Wikipedia over material that relies on modern, scholarly research and evidence is hard to understand. You're just not going to get people to agree with you here.

    Try taking part in a thread without making it all about you and your "research."

    Actually, I think he did. In one of his posts he seemed to be complaining about their evaluation of if.

    If I’ve deciphered his previous messages correctly, I believe he did not submit that coin, but actually submitted 4 W Quarters that he estimated the value of each to be 28000, as a possibility for a 68 or 69 grade. I believe they came back 64-66. He seemed to be confused that he did not get correct service. He is confused that walkthrough and show service are the exact same thing other than receiving your coins back at the show. He believes that he chose the wrong grading tier, so he got lower grades, and wasn’t informed that you cannot pay to get a higher grade, the cost is all related to turnaround times.

    Honestly Ive tried as well to help Slick, as he at least has a lot of passion it seems. I’m still confused why it matters who designed 1793 Large Cents (this is a topic that has a few different beliefs amongst specialists over the years). I guess he is trying to say his coin was struck by one of them so therefore that is why it looks modern and different (and not different in a good way)

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  • JoeLewisJoeLewis Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2, 2023 10:20AM

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @JoeLewis said:
    Good grief, Slick. Send the coin to PCGS. You haven't because you know it will kill the fantasy. Okay, so keep the fantasy, but STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS COIN HERE.

    Also, your faith in Breen and Wikipedia over material that relies on modern, scholarly research and evidence is hard to understand. You're just not going to get people to agree with you here.

    Try taking part in a thread without making it all about you and your "research."

    Actually, I think he did. In one of his posts he seemed to be complaining about their evaluation of if.

    If/when he does submit it, and it comes back counterfeit, I have no doubt he will assert that PCGS got it wrong. But at least it will put a little dent in the fantasy.

  • JoeLewisJoeLewis Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭✭

    @NewEnglandRarities said:
    Honestly Ive tried as well to help Slick, as he at least has a lot of passion it seems. I’m still confused why it matters who designed 1793 Large Cents (this is a topic that has a few different beliefs amongst specialists over the years). I guess he is trying to say his coin was struck by one of them so therefore that is why it looks modern and different (and not different in a good way)

    He doesn't want help. He wants you to agree with him.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,132 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2, 2023 12:19PM

    @NewEnglandRarities said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @JoeLewis said:
    Good grief, Slick. Send the coin to PCGS. You haven't because you know it will kill the fantasy. Okay, so keep the fantasy, but STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS COIN HERE.

    Also, your faith in Breen and Wikipedia over material that relies on modern, scholarly research and evidence is hard to understand. You're just not going to get people to agree with you here.

    Try taking part in a thread without making it all about you and your "research."

    Actually, I think he did. In one of his posts he seemed to be complaining about their evaluation of if.

    If I’ve deciphered his previous messages correctly, I believe he did not submit that coin, but actually submitted 4 W Quarters that he estimated the value of each to be 28000, as a possibility for a 68 or 69 grade. I believe they came back 64-66. He seemed to be confused that he did not get correct service. He is confused that walkthrough and show service are the exact same thing other than receiving your coins back at the show. He believes that he chose the wrong grading tier, so he got lower grades, and wasn’t informed that you cannot pay to get a higher grade, the cost is all related to turnaround times.

    Honestly Ive tried as well to help Slick, as he at least has a lot of passion it seems. I’m still confused why it matters who designed 1793 Large Cents (this is a topic that has a few different beliefs amongst specialists over the years). I guess he is trying to say his coin was struck by one of them so therefore that is why it looks modern and different (and not different in a good way)

    He submitted 7 quarters at Long Beach. But there was also a rant in one of his 1793 threads about PCGS adhering to "conventional wisdom" or something like that. I don't know. It is sometimes hard to decipher.

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2, 2023 3:29PM

    Wow, I am lost as usual in your dribble...

    Is "Roger" Roger Cohen, and if so which of his works are you referring to?

    Please post images "for I think I've found the coin that matches the insider information", and please none of the obvious counterfeit you have been ranting about for what seems like for over a year B) .

  • WQuarterFreddieWQuarterFreddie Posts: 2,897 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RiveraFamilyCollect said:
    I'm waiting for the History Channel series on "Ancient Coins" hosted by SlickCoins. *Caution may contain less than 1% factual history

    Also a note this will be the only time I reply to a SlickCoins thread. The only thing replying does is bump this thread and give him attention.

    Isn't this the purpose of your comment? To bring attention to yourself?🤔

  • RobertScotLoverRobertScotLover Posts: 974 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2, 2023 10:52PM

    Slic,
    It's Robert Scot, one "t".

  • ElmerFusterpuckElmerFusterpuck Posts: 4,743 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Four authors and two engravers walk into a bar.

    This is going nowhere...

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ElmerFusterpuck said:
    Four authors and two engravers walk into a bar.

    This is going nowhere...

    And came up with this B) :

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,132 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @burfle23 said:
    Wow, I am lost as usual in your dribble...

    Is "Roger" Roger Cohen, and if so which of his works are you referring to?

    Please post images "for I think I've found the coin that matches the insider information", and please none of the obvious counterfeit you have been ranting about for what seems like for over a year B) .

    Or Burdette

  • FrazFraz Posts: 2,118 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ElmerFusterpuck said:
    Four authors and two engravers walk into a bar.

    This is going nowhere...

    Bartender says, “Don’t see many engravers here.”

    Engraver retorts, “And at these prices you won’t.

    (Rim shot)

    This is going nowhere.. ”

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,132 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Fraz said:

    @ElmerFusterpuck said:
    Four authors and two engravers walk into a bar.

    This is going nowhere...

    Bartender says, “Don’t see many engravers here.”

    Engraver retorts, “And at these prices you won’t.

    (Rim shot)

    This is going nowhere.. ”

    Bartender says "you don't see many authors in here"

    Author says, "you're write about that. "

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭✭✭

  • SlickCoinsSlickCoins Posts: 658 ✭✭✭
    edited August 6, 2023 9:33AM

    Yes I paid for walkthrough services and was told I didn't get it, I'm I wrong to complain.

    Actually I was wrong it's more authors, who seemingly decided to change the facts of who the engraver was for 1793.

    I do dig your posting my 1793, I do like the whackadoodle name ;) Roger came up with that.

    So it's more than 4 authors and my W quarters post is here, did we miss anything?

    Thanks all and I hope everyone the best on another great weekend.

    Oh I do have more, I just think when the going gets good, we hear about W quarters.

  • SlickCoinsSlickCoins Posts: 658 ✭✭✭
    edited August 6, 2023 9:41AM

    You all seriously gonna play the card who is Roger? RWB, is that better?
    Also I play the code names with you all because I'm not here to throw anyone under the bus, I'm just here to put it in neutral ;)

    Also I'm hoping someone, anyone tries anything, I mean I've got lists of what I try.

    Yes I think the W grades I received are wrong and I proved it, if you all want to play head to head I'm game. :)

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,132 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SlickCoins said:
    You all seriously gonna play the card who is Roger? RWB, is that better?
    Also I play the code names with you all because I'm not here to throw anyone under the bus, I'm just here to put it in neutral ;)

    Also I'm hoping someone, anyone tries anything, I mean I've got lists of what I try.

    Yes I think the W grades I received are wrong and I proved it, if you all want to play head to head I'm game. :)

    There are other Rogers. There's also a rather famous Roger NOT named Burdette who is a VERY RESPECTED copper specialist. So no one was playing a card, they just legitimately did not understand your secret code.

  • SlickCoinsSlickCoins Posts: 658 ✭✭✭
    edited August 6, 2023 12:28PM

    Yes he is the one, who has openly admitted he has no common sense and that if it is not in my book then it doesn't exist.
    So much for first finds if this the case, yes he is highly respected and I even respect him also, just sometimes I must call it as I'm given.

    Never once have I said he was wrong,,, yet

    I might not even ever be able to say that, for a new discovery wouldn't be in any books, well one but I've received mixed replies, he lies to then he didn't lie he was just a proud card carrying freak for his nambla card carrying petitioning for Greek love stuff, funny thing is he had been doing that long time before his conviction and was never called out for being a liar.

    Just now the other day you all called him a liar again,,,, question ❓

    Chasing your true desires as sick as they may be too others, is that what you all call lying?

    I have a bunch of friends who prefer other than I do and funny as it may seem, whatever they are into they are great at it and most the time out performing everyone else.

    How many pages are in his book?
    How many pages are in yours?

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How much wood can a woodchuck chuck? Only you may know the true answer B) ...

  • TrampTramp Posts: 704 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Slick might be running an AI e.g. ChatGPT, that is just spewing garbage. Might be best ignoring the gibberish instead of feeding it.

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  • FloridafacelifterFloridafacelifter Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭✭✭

  • FrazFraz Posts: 2,118 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 6, 2023 3:33PM

    @burfle23 said:
    How much wood can a woodchuck chuck? Only you may know the true answer B) ...

    How much ground can a groundhog grind?

    Slicko, What’s wrong with carrying a card from the North American Marlon Brando Lookalike Association?
    Did you guys kick him out of the club?

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  • PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 4,046 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Does anyone mind if I do a J?

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  • FrazFraz Posts: 2,118 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 6, 2023 9:58PM

    Oops, sorry, should I have asked also?

    @DeplorableDan said:
    Does anyone mind if I do a J?

  • MapsOnFireMapsOnFire Posts: 235 ✭✭✭

    Slick: One of the problems may be that English is not your first language. May I suggest that tyou type it out in your first language, run it through Google translate before posting it here.

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭✭✭

    He may not be able to hear you....

  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Slickly banned was slickcoins. :D

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  • Tom147Tom147 Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Heck I was enjoying Slick. Trying to figure out if he has a mental issue, troll or under the influence.

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,179 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tom147 said:
    Heck I was enjoying Slick. Trying to figure out if he has a mental issue, troll or under the influence.

    Any chance it is all three?

    peacockcoins

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,900 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 7, 2023 5:39PM

    @Tom147 said:
    Heck I was enjoying Slick. Trying to figure out if he has a mental issue, troll or under the influence.

    I don’t consider any of those scenarios amusing.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • Tom147Tom147 Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @Tom147 said:
    Heck I was enjoying Slick. Trying to figure out if he has a mental issue, troll or under the influence.

    I don’t consider any of those scenarios amusing.

    Well, we'll agree to disagree. Obviously there's an issue.

  • WQuarterFreddieWQuarterFreddie Posts: 2,897 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The man got banned. Let's just give it a rest.🙄

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,132 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 8, 2023 8:15AM

    @Tom147 said:

    @MFeld said:

    @Tom147 said:
    Heck I was enjoying Slick. Trying to figure out if he has a mental issue, troll or under the influence.

    I don’t consider any of those scenarios amusing.

    Well, we'll agree to disagree. Obviously there's an issue.

    I think Mark is taking issue with the "amusement" not the fact that there may be an issue.

  • lcutlerlcutler Posts: 571 ✭✭✭✭

    He’s gone, time to get back to coins.

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