Artificially Toned GSA Dollar
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An 1882 CC Morgan dollar was recently graded by NGC (Certified # 8385472-003). It was a Morgan dollar in a GSA case . It may have been the one of two submitted with a crack in the reverse of the case as one of the two did have a cracked case. It was removed from the case for grading and came back as artificially toned. I've never seen a coin in a GSA holder called AT before, but AI research stated that it has happened before as coin doctors have found ways to tamper with GSA cases. If someone could post the image of the coin, that would help. Opinions please.
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If the case had a crack, someone could have let gas/chemicals in that caused the toning.
From the NGC photos, it does look off to me. Either someone messed with it or it looked like that before being placed in the GSA case.
I also don’t know if the TPGs consider that it was in a GSA case if you allow them to crack before grading. In general, it’s best to leave these coins in the GSA case.
If the pictures are accurate, I’m not certain that I would have been suspicious of the toning.
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Thank you for posting the image. I think it looks off myself. Does anyone agree with Chat that GSA Morgans have been doctored while in the original holders? I imagine that it could be done today.
It's certainly a different type of toning. I've never seen anything like it. But then again I have never been a coin grader.
If it is AT that's a shame.
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It’s possible just like ”doctors” have done with rattlers or PCGS holders where a small hole/opening is made to let in the gas.
I haven’t seen any GSA holders that had questionable color before (maybe no one ever tried in the past).
Agree MFeld,
I've seen similar dark toning inside GSA holders before ⇊
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And, when a GSA is cracked, graded, and reholdered, they denote the GSA Pedigree onto the label ⇊
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I would think that even if deemed "Unc Details/AT" That the GSA Pedigree would still be printed on the label?
The OP's coin label(up top) has no mention of GSA on the label?
I'm not convinced that the coin in question was cracked out of a GSA holder.
I'm not convinced that the coin is AT either. Just my $.02
Acceptable toning and the graders just got cold feet.
The dark color is not an issue. Your example is more typical of bag toning with a crescent pattern from another coin being on top. The original example is more splotchy. It might not be AT but it’s closer to environmental damage than market acceptable toning that would straight grade.
I can agree with that for sure. Environmental damage makes more sense.
The coin looks like it sat on edge at the bottom a moisture laden bag for many years?
That thick, flaking crust would be tough to replicate as a coin doctor? And why bother going to those lengths?
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For me, it does not matter if the toning is natural or artificial. It's gone too far and has killed the luster on the coin. It's gone too far.
I can assure everyone that the coin came out of a GSA holder. It was in it when I sent it in to NGC. Not able to say more at this time as it wasn't my coin. Their AT designation amazes me as it sat in the original holder all these years.
That’s a tough break. I think I’d crack it out and send to another TPG. Despite the fact that the GSA pedigree is lost.
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Might not recall this but did the GSA holder say Uncirculated Silver Dollar or only Silver Dollar?
I would assume this is not 100% - but a toned dollar was put into a Silver Dollar GSA holder (without the Uncirculated) with a card and sold separately.
If an Uncirculated Silver Dollar GSA holder had the OP toning it would be more suspicious.
But again I can't say and would assume that this was not 100% and some fell into the 'wrong' type of GSA holder.
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I would lean towards your idea of a moisture laden bag too.
As far as a doctor doing this, it wouldn’t make sense unless someone was experimenting, failed, and then dumped the coin as it was.
I think it’s important to keep in mind that doctored coins can look original and original coins can look doctored.
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