@OnWithTheHunt , can you give us some advice for picking these out?
God bless all who believe in him. Do unto others what you expect to be done to you. Dubbed a "Committee Secret Agent" by @mr1931S on 7/23/24. Founding member of CU Anti-Troll League since 9/24/24.
I sure can't tell. What exactly jumps out at you they are counterfeit?
Skinny Buffalo is the major tell, No designer initial under date, (although there known 1916-S NO Fs for this date), Indian just looks off, think the nose looks too straight, die crack across feather, although from my examples, it appears one of them lacks the crack. Also the right front leg looks weaker than normal. After 8 of them, they almost jump out at me. Still see them occasionally on ebay but have resisted adding to the herd so far.
Proud recipient of the coveted "You Suck Award" (9/3/10).
I sure can't tell. What exactly jumps out at you they are counterfeit?
Skinny Buffalo is the major tell, No designer initial under date, (although there known 1916-S NO Fs for this date), Indian just looks off, think the nose looks too straight, die crack across feather, although from my examples, it appears one of them lacks the crack. Also the right front leg looks weaker than normal. After 8 of them, they almost jump out at me. Still see them occasionally on ebay but have resisted adding to the herd so far.
Are these contemporary issues or made later to fool collectors? If the former I would love to add one to my collection. If you see them occasionally on eBay I may have to start looking mtyself.
Sean Reynolds
Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
I sure can't tell. What exactly jumps out at you they are counterfeit?
Skinny Buffalo is the major tell, No designer initial under date, (although there known 1916-S NO Fs for this date), Indian just looks off, think the nose looks too straight, die crack across feather, although from my examples, it appears one of them lacks the crack. Also the right front leg looks weaker than normal. After 8 of them, they almost jump out at me. Still see them occasionally on ebay but have resisted adding to the herd so far.
Are these contemporary issues or made later to fool collectors? If the former I would love to add one to my collection. If you see them occasionally on eBay I may have to start looking mtyself.
Sean Reynolds
They're contemporary fakes and once you've seen a few, they are not hard to pick out. They just have a look to them. Mine are pretty typical. Did an ebay search a couple of days ago for 1916-S Buffalo nickel an spotted 3 in 23 pages of listings. There are 2 active now for BIN at $14 but neither is particularly pretty. A nicer one sold for less but neither buyer or seller realized it was a "genuine fake."
Proud recipient of the coveted "You Suck Award" (9/3/10).
I sure can't tell. What exactly jumps out at you they are counterfeit?
Skinny Buffalo is the major tell, No designer initial under date, (although there known 1916-S NO Fs for this date), Indian just looks off, think the nose looks too straight, die crack across feather, although from my examples, it appears one of them lacks the crack. Also the right front leg looks weaker than normal. After 8 of them, they almost jump out at me. Still see them occasionally on ebay but have resisted adding to the herd so far.
Are these contemporary issues or made later to fool collectors? If the former I would love to add one to my collection. If you see them occasionally on eBay I may have to start looking mtyself.
Sean Reynolds
They're contemporary fakes and once you've seen a few, they are not hard to pick out. They just have a look to them. Mine are pretty typical. Did an ebay search a couple of days ago for 1916-S Buffalo nickel an spotted 3 in 23 pages of listings. There are 2 active now for BIN at $14 but neither is particularly pretty. A nicer one sold for less but neither buyer or seller realized it was a "genuine fake."
I won this glued on mint mark piece in an educational ICG holder some years ago. Glued on mint marks can be a continuing problem. One of the give aways is that the "S" mint mark does not look like it belongs with the rest of the coin. It doesn't.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
I sure can't tell. What exactly jumps out at you they are counterfeit?
Skinny Buffalo is the major tell, No designer initial under date, (although there known 1916-S NO Fs for this date), Indian just looks off, think the nose looks too straight, die crack across feather, although from my examples, it appears one of them lacks the crack. Also the right front leg looks weaker than normal. After 8 of them, they almost jump out at me. Still see them occasionally on ebay but have resisted adding to the herd so far.
Are these contemporary issues or made later to fool collectors? If the former I would love to add one to my collection. If you see them occasionally on eBay I may have to start looking mtyself.
Sean Reynolds
They're contemporary fakes and once you've seen a few, they are not hard to pick out. They just have a look to them. Mine are pretty typical. Did an ebay search a couple of days ago for 1916-S Buffalo nickel an spotted 3 in 23 pages of listings. There are 2 active now for BIN at $14 but neither is particularly pretty. A nicer one sold for less but neither buyer or seller realized it was a "genuine fake."
Found them!
Thank you for pointing them out.
You could have left one for me
Sean Reynolds
Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
I think you're right. There's no die crack, which did make me wonder a bit, and the reverse of the coin on the top right also is different. There is a die crack from T of United to the Buffalo. And the Buffalo also struck me as looking just a little bit beefier, even though they otherwise seem identical. Thanks for the info, I can now claim to own two different varieties of a counterfeit Buffalo. I think its only one of my 8. Something else to look for.
Proud recipient of the coveted "You Suck Award" (9/3/10).
This is the contemporary counterfeit that got me interested in collecting them, I spotted one on a local bid board over 35 years ago. The A over inverted A in AMERICA lit up my variety collector brain, but I didn't end up buying it that night. Years later I learned about circulating counterfeits and how this particular variety was one of the rarest. It took a long time but I finally ended up with an example:
Sean Reynolds
Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Is there a good reference book about contemporary counterfeits?
God bless all who believe in him. Do unto others what you expect to be done to you. Dubbed a "Committee Secret Agent" by @mr1931S on 7/23/24. Founding member of CU Anti-Troll League since 9/24/24.
I have $69 worth of contemporary counterfeits.
$30 worth of 1932 Washington quarters
$29 worth of 1916 Walker halves
$5 worth of 1964 Kennedy halves
$5 worth of 1924 Peace dollars
Looking for the best suggestion(s) regarding what I should do with them.
I'm looking forward to your responses
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I heartily second this recommendation, Winston really knows his stuff and just published a second volume covering silver minor coinage. He also hosts an active Facebook group that discusses both US and English contemporary counterfeits, the collector base for the latter is even stronger than for US issues.
Sean Reynolds
Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Ok which one of you out-sniped me on this one? Just whiffed on that nice 1916-S "skinny buffalo" with the obverse die break. Guess I'll have to keep looking.
Sean Reynolds
Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
@seanq said:
Ok which one of you out-sniped me on this one? Just whiffed on that nice 1916-S "skinny buffalo" with the obverse die break. Guess I'll have to keep looking.
@seanq said:
Ok which one of you out-sniped me on this one? Just whiffed on that nice 1916-S "skinny buffalo" with the obverse die break. Guess I'll have to keep looking.
Sean Reynolds
Wow, at that price, maybe I should part with some of my herd. I'd almost suspect someone thought it was genuine.
Proud recipient of the coveted "You Suck Award" (9/3/10).
@seanq said:
Ok which one of you out-sniped me on this one? Just whiffed on that nice 1916-S "skinny buffalo" with the obverse die break. Guess I'll have to keep looking.
Sean Reynolds
Wow, at that price, maybe I should part with some of my herd. I'd almost suspect someone thought it was genuine.
It was posted in another thread, the winner knew what it was and his proxy bid was even higher. If you do decide to thin the herd, keep me in mind.
Sean Reynolds
Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Don't forget to join the #1 Facebook group on CCCs - Contemporary Circulating Counterfeits - The Good Ones. John Lorenzo, Numismatist, United States.
Primarily a collector of error coins over the next decade after collecting for 40 years. Have collected & studied every coin series in the Western Hemishere - yes - even ...
Yeah I know I'm beating a dead horse but this is actually pretty sad.
One could spend hours upon hours reporting counterfeit listings to eBay and not make a dent.
Check out this search and count how many bad listings there are on the first page alone:
My apologies to those who have asked me to provide photos.
Back on December 4th I mentioned that I have $69 worth of contemporary counterfeits.
$30 worth of 1932 Washington quarters
$29 worth of 1916 Walker halves
$5 worth of 1964 Kennedy halves
$5 worth of 1924 Peace dollars
Finally, here are the photos:
Please let me know if you have any interest.
Thanks for your patience.
J.W.
Got burned on these. Not really bad as I only purchased five. It was an ebay purchase, they were only about 3 or 4 less than the real thing was going for at the time. It wasn't until after I completed the payment that I realized they were coming from China. I couldn't cancel the sale even though it was less than an hour later. The seller disappeared less than 24 hours later.
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They're having Thanksgiving dinner, where we should be! 🤣 😂
Maybe, maybe not.
I went to Thanksgiving dinner at the 12:30 PM seating. I'm stuffed and ready for football.
@OnWithTheHunt , can you give us some advice for picking these out?
God bless all who believe in him. Do unto others what you expect to be done to you. Dubbed a "Committee Secret Agent" by @mr1931S on 7/23/24. Founding member of CU Anti-Troll League since 9/24/24.
Skinny Buffalo is the major tell, No designer initial under date, (although there known 1916-S NO Fs for this date), Indian just looks off, think the nose looks too straight, die crack across feather, although from my examples, it appears one of them lacks the crack. Also the right front leg looks weaker than normal. After 8 of them, they almost jump out at me. Still see them occasionally on ebay but have resisted adding to the herd so far.
Are these contemporary issues or made later to fool collectors? If the former I would love to add one to my collection. If you see them occasionally on eBay I may have to start looking mtyself.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
They're contemporary fakes and once you've seen a few, they are not hard to pick out. They just have a look to them. Mine are pretty typical. Did an ebay search a couple of days ago for 1916-S Buffalo nickel an spotted 3 in 23 pages of listings. There are 2 active now for BIN at $14 but neither is particularly pretty. A nicer one sold for less but neither buyer or seller realized it was a "genuine fake."
Found them!
Thank you for pointing them out.
peacockcoins
I won this glued on mint mark piece in an educational ICG holder some years ago. Glued on mint marks can be a continuing problem. One of the give aways is that the "S" mint mark does not look like it belongs with the rest of the coin. It doesn't.
You still have this coin?
You could have left one for me
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
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I did.
peacockcoins
Yes. It's been a fun coin to own for many years.
Is it still in the same condition?
I think you're right. There's no die crack, which did make me wonder a bit, and the reverse of the coin on the top right also is different. There is a die crack from T of United to the Buffalo. And the Buffalo also struck me as looking just a little bit beefier, even though they otherwise seem identical. Thanks for the info, I can now claim to own two different varieties of a counterfeit Buffalo. I think its only one of my 8. Something else to look for.
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This is the contemporary counterfeit that got me interested in collecting them, I spotted one on a local bid board over 35 years ago. The A over inverted A in AMERICA lit up my variety collector brain, but I didn't end up buying it that night. Years later I learned about circulating counterfeits and how this particular variety was one of the rarest. It took a long time but I finally ended up with an example:
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Is there a good reference book about contemporary counterfeits?
God bless all who believe in him. Do unto others what you expect to be done to you. Dubbed a "Committee Secret Agent" by @mr1931S on 7/23/24. Founding member of CU Anti-Troll League since 9/24/24.
Not sure but this might be one.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/126286805822
I have $69 worth of contemporary counterfeits.
$30 worth of 1932 Washington quarters
$29 worth of 1916 Walker halves
$5 worth of 1964 Kennedy halves
$5 worth of 1924 Peace dollars
Looking for the best suggestion(s) regarding what I should do with them.
I'm looking forward to your responses
Guess I should have added this to my original post.
I don't carry a cell phone so I'll have to get someone to take a few pictures and I'll add then to them thread when I can.
Does the NFC chip work with your smart phone?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I heartily second this recommendation, Winston really knows his stuff and just published a second volume covering silver minor coinage. He also hosts an active Facebook group that discusses both US and English contemporary counterfeits, the collector base for the latter is even stronger than for US issues.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
No; no chip.
Ok which one of you out-sniped me on this one? Just whiffed on that nice 1916-S "skinny buffalo" with the obverse die break. Guess I'll have to keep looking.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
I can't lie, he did it. 🤣 😂
peacockcoins
Wow, at that price, maybe I should part with some of my herd. I'd almost suspect someone thought it was genuine.
It was posted in another thread, the winner knew what it was and his proxy bid was even higher. If you do decide to thin the herd, keep me in mind.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
That's a great way to "stack" gold bullion. I've always wanted an example.
Have them slabbed or donate them to the ANA.
Don't forget to join the #1 Facebook group on CCCs - Contemporary Circulating Counterfeits - The Good Ones. John Lorenzo, Numismatist, United States.
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Yeah I know I'm beating a dead horse but this is actually pretty sad.
One could spend hours upon hours reporting counterfeit listings to eBay and not make a dent.
Check out this search and count how many bad listings there are on the first page alone:
https://www.ebay.com/b/World-Coins/256/bn_1851558
My apologies to those who have asked me to provide photos.
Back on December 4th I mentioned that I have $69 worth of contemporary counterfeits.
$30 worth of 1932 Washington quarters
$29 worth of 1916 Walker halves
$5 worth of 1964 Kennedy halves
$5 worth of 1924 Peace dollars
Finally, here are the photos:
Please let me know if you have any interest.
Thanks for your patience.
J.W.
it seems the term "contemporary" doesnt have the same meaning to everyone..... modern fakes are NOT contemporary counterfeits
Definition of contemporary
Got burned on these. Not really bad as I only purchased five. It was an ebay purchase, they were only about 3 or 4 less than the real thing was going for at the time. It wasn't until after I completed the payment that I realized they were coming from China. I couldn't cancel the sale even though it was less than an hour later. The seller disappeared less than 24 hours later.
Looking for PCGS AU58 Washington's, 32-63.
Here are a few that I have.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
Thay '27 would fool me.
What about this 27?
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
Aren't Omega counterfeits collectible in their own right?