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ashelandasheland Posts: 22,572 ✭✭✭✭✭

This could be educational.
Let’s post counterfeits as we see them in here.
Coins, currency, or bullion…

This trash came into the shop today:

And this ”silver” bar
Note the square edges and the plastic case last picture this is how they’re usually found.

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  • The_Dinosaur_ManThe_Dinosaur_Man Posts: 823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Idhair that fake trime is really intriguing with the repunched 6 in the date. That would have been an excellent variety on a genuine coin.

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 22,572 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great pictures so far! 👍

  • OnWithTheHuntOnWithTheHunt Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Now have 8 of these. Just find them interesting

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,494 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 7,905 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ldhair said:




    .

    That 3-cent is really neat.

    I suspect that the Panama Pacific half dollar is actually genuine, with past corrosion and cleaning.
    But there is also a possibility that it is a cast. How does it ring compared to a genuine 90% silver half dollar ?

    .

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 22,572 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:
    Another one:




    Those appear to be genuine slabs, what’s the story on those?

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,602 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 12, 2024 9:36AM

    I posted this fake cast 1886 seated dime as a giveaway study coin. Hit me up. Peace Roy Claimed

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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 7,905 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 11, 2024 9:44PM

    @asheland said:

    @dcarr said:
    Another one:




    Those appear to be genuine slabs, what’s the story on those?

    .

    The slabs are genuine. The coins are vintage counterfeits.
    The first one is a 1893-O VAM-7 ("Privately Made").
    The second one is a 1893-O VAM-8 ("Privately Made").
    Regardless, both made it into slabs which is where they were when I discovered them:
    ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/wiki/Listed_Privately_Made_Varieties

    The 1893-O VAM-7 has the wide gap between the neck and wing, which is the reverse hub type of 1900.
    The 1893-O VAM-8 has the doubled denticle below the "L" of DOLLAR.
    I discovered and reported the 1893-O VAM-7 (in February 2015), 1893-O VAM-8 (in December 2015), and 1893-O VAM-9 (in February 2021).

    .

  • Apollo_23Apollo_23 Posts: 126 ✭✭✭

    I believe this is a fake Morgan GSA. It just looks all wrong. The lettering looks off and blended together. The black background looks like construction paper and not that raised beaded kind. Maybe it's me

  • ldhairldhair Posts: 7,101 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:

    @ldhair said:




    .

    That 3-cent is really neat.

    I suspect that the Panama Pacific half dollar is actually genuine, with past corrosion and cleaning.
    But there is also a possibility that it is a cast. How does it ring compared to a genuine 90% silver half dollar ?

    .

    From what I have been told, the funky S mint mark gives the coin away as a well known counterfeit. I always thought the coin was cast but a well known grader told me it was struck. Maybe it was struck on a cast blank. That could account for the pits.

    Larry

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 22,572 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:

    @asheland said:

    @dcarr said:
    Another one:




    Those appear to be genuine slabs, what’s the story on those?

    .

    The slabs are genuine. The coins are vintage counterfeits.
    The first one is a 1893-O VAM-7 ("Privately Made").
    The second one is a 1893-O VAM-8 ("Privately Made").
    Regardless, both made it into slabs which is where they were when I discovered them:
    ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/wiki/Listed_Privately_Made_Varieties

    The 1893-O VAM-7 has the wide gap between the neck and wing, which is the reverse hub type of 1900.
    The 1893-O VAM-8 has the doubled denticle below the "L" of DOLLAR.
    I discovered and reported the 1893-O VAM-7 (in February 2015), 1893-O VAM-8 (in December 2015), and 1893-O VAM-9 (in February 2021).

    .

    That’s interesting! 👍

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A pair of mine:

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I guess I broke the thread B) ...

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,494 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,729 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This was deemed to be a counterfeit by Pcgs several years ago. 1876-S DDO


    Trade $'s
  • TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,729 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This was a Trade $ that I submitted to Pcgs that was labeled as unverifiable authenticity.


    Trade $'s
  • Insider3Insider3 Posts: 166 ✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:

    These are going to be found in every TPGS slab. :'( Gulp, I caught the 1900-O "Privately Made" counterfeit last week in VF condition - only because my "gut" made me put it under the microscope. These things are worth money now and can be found in the bags of junk dollars dealers are buying and selling. No one bothers to look!

  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,560 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Our favorite counterfeiter himself, Francis Leroy Henning

  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,560 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My favorite counterfeit coin is this 8 Real Copper dated “1 88 12”. The coinage of this period is crude and interesting. No doubt this piece passed along with the genuine Morelos issues. Counterfeiting was such a big (and tolerated) operations both genuine and good looking counterfeits were often counterstamped and circulated . General Morelos was quite a guy. He Decreed that either you accepted his copper 8 real coins as if they were silver. If you disagreed, he simply had you shot. He himself, was tried and was shot in 1815.

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 11,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My 7070 is a little over half filled with counterfeit coins that I use to pass around for people to see the different types of coins before the clad era.

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  • CRHer700CRHer700 Posts: 457 ✭✭✭✭

    @Windycity said:
    1955 DDO


    That’s a nicely made one!

    Cheers, CRHer700 :mrgreen:

  • EstilEstil Posts: 6,846 ✭✭✭✭

    Okay now you guys got me concerned...I thought it was only fairly expensive coins that got counterfeited but apparently there's even cheaper ones like Mercury dimes that get faked? You guys think you could show/point out in these pics how you can tell these are fake? Perhaps a side-by-side comparison to show what to look for? I mean that would really suck if I accidentally got a fake and didn't even know it at first or something.

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    Quarters: 61D, 52S, 47S, 46S, 40S, 39S, 38S, 37D+S, 36D+S, 35D, 34D, 32D+S
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    1995 Ultra Gold Medallion Sets: Golden Prospects, HR Kings, On-Base Leaders, Power Plus, RBI Kings, Rising Stars
  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 7,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 1, 2024 1:48PM

    Here's a fake Seated Dollar. It was in a box of coins my mother had. I've had if for 15 years, not sure where she got it. I believe the gouge in the shield as well as the raised bumps in the shield are markers for known counterfeits.

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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 11,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,602 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is an important thread. Thanks to us all. Peace Roy

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