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Slab collectors how rare are these? David Hall investment group graded Dime on Ebay

Clackamas1Clackamas1 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭✭✭

I think I have only seen one other one of these. A little bit of a premium for the coin a David Hall GEM 65 1943-S Merc https://ebay.com/itm/306198149371

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  • LukeMarshallLukeMarshall Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Do these Flips contain PVC? Has anyone tested ?

    It's all about what the people want...

  • JeffersonFrogJeffersonFrog Posts: 944 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 25, 2025 3:31PM

    Like many sub-areas of numismatics, these have their own history, nuances, market, and following. In general, they command a 2x-5x premium, depending on the series, date, and condition. 98% of the known examples are graded either MS65 or PR65.
    Franklin halves are by far the most common series. The Buffalon 38-D is the most common coin.

    The coin in the OP is in a Gen3 holder and sold quickly at 3x PCGS Price Guide (2x MS66 Price Guide). Here's the link to a guide on David Hall flips.

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1073490/david-hall-dhnig-flips-categorizing-those-little-pre-slab-sort-of-slab-slabs

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  • JeffersonFrogJeffersonFrog Posts: 944 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 25, 2025 12:34PM

    Oops, already answered by @Mr_Spud ....

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  • LukeMarshallLukeMarshall Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was wondering , thanks for the replies. Yes I see the Kointains now, little circular capsules that encompass the entire coin before its sealed in the flip. Good deal

    It's all about what the people want...

  • Clackamas1Clackamas1 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 25, 2025 1:36PM

    @JeffersonFrog said:
    Oops, already answered by @Mr_Spud ....

    No, thank you. You provided more info and the more info the better. I was the buyer on that coin, I know I paid a premium but I will buy what I have never seen before because they can't be common. In 10 years I will get my money back. Plus the coin is super PQ for a 65. I will be interested to see if CAC will sticker it. Given that JA founded NGC and his main competitor was David with PCGS I bet they won't. HRH use to post of the forum from time to time it would be cool if he did on these to give the history. @homerunhall

  • @Mr_Spud said:
    I think the dimes are the most common of these, I picked this one up about 20 years ago. Not sure what it’s worth or what I paid, but I left the $130 price tag on it so I think I got it for a bit less than that back then.



    That looks like a 66 or 67 FB

  • JeffersonFrogJeffersonFrog Posts: 944 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 25, 2025 3:32PM

    @Clackamas1 said:

    ...
    HRH use to post of the forum from time to time it would be cool if he did on these to give the history. @homerunhall

    Here's the link to his input from 2003, which is incorporated in the guide:

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/1727043

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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,426 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Rare? Probably not. Desirable? Apparently so. Would i like to own one? Yes!

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JeffersonFrog said:
    Oops, already answered by @Mr_Spud ....

    Not sure why, but your link did not work for me - I had no idea there are some many variations

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1073490/david-hall-dhnig-flips-categorizing-those-little-pre-slab-sort-of-slab-slabs

  • JeffersonFrogJeffersonFrog Posts: 944 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen Thank you. I'm not sure what I did (or didn't do), I think mine are fixed now.

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  • CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Clackamas1 said:

    @JeffersonFrog said:
    Oops, already answered by @Mr_Spud ....

    Given that JA founded NGC and his main competitor was David with PCGS I bet they won't. HRH use to post of the forum from time to time it would be cool if he did on these to give the history. @homerunhall

    JA co-founded PCGS as well

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  • WinLoseWinWinLoseWin Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CascadeChris said:

    @Clackamas1 said:

    @JeffersonFrog said:
    Oops, already answered by @Mr_Spud ....

    Given that JA founded NGC and his main competitor was David with PCGS I bet they won't. HRH use to post of the forum from time to time it would be cool if he did on these to give the history. @homerunhall

    JA co-founded PCGS as well

    I think that photo would fit well in the Coin Dealer Glamour Shots thread.

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1112240/coin-dealer-glamour-shots#latest

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  • DisneyFanDisneyFan Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Mr_Spud said:
    I think the dimes are the most common of these, I picked this one up about 20 years ago. Not sure what it’s worth or what I paid, but I left the $130 price tag on it so I think I got it for a bit less than that back then.

    Just checked the PCGS price guide. $68. That was supposed to be an investment???

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,508 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I wonder how safe these holders are for long term coin storage. The coins are in capsules which helps but these capsules are not airtight and PVC out gases fumes. Since the PVC flips are sealed, the out-gassing fumes can't escape and will build up inside the sealed flip.

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  • CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,322 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've owned a number of these holders over the years. Every coin was blast white and stayed blast white since the early '80's. This suggests that the cointain inside is protecting the coin from any PVC in the outer flip. I wouldn't worry about the PVC damaging the coin inside.
    The blue holders aren't rare, but not common either. The older yellow flips are much harder to find. Here is one I used to own.

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  • CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,322 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Also, I had this article on the flips. Unfortunately, it doesn't show the actual author anywhere and I cannot recall where I got it. Would love to give proper credit to whomever "TA" is.

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  • CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,322 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have been informed that @JeffersonFrog wrote the pdf in my post. Thanks Tommy!

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  • JeffersonFrogJeffersonFrog Posts: 944 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you @psuman08 , I have added both to the database.

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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 28, 2025 12:35AM

    @Cameonut said:
    I've owned a number of these holders over the years. Every coin was blast white and stayed blast white since the early '80's. This suggests that the cointain inside is protecting the coin from any PVC in the outer flip. I wouldn't worry about the PVC damaging the coin inside.
    The blue holders aren't rare, but not common either. The older yellow flips are much harder to find. Here is one I used to own.

    The brown ones are RARE. The blue ones are scarce and will appreciate in the future.

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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 28, 2025 12:39AM

    @Cameonut, Either you or I am colorblind? I always thought the first David Hall flips were brown not yellow? I still have mine.

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  • CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,322 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @oreville said:
    @Cameonut, Either you or I am colorblind? I always thought the first David Hall flips were brown not yellow? I still have mine.

    It's my poor description. The inserts are beige in color - not yellow. I sold mine several years ago for a handsome profit. Here is the only photo I have of it.

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 28, 2025 7:39AM

    Have not seen one of these in a long time.

    It’s an interesting piece of history but something would have removed from flip submitted to TPG for slabbing decades ago.

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