Slab collectors how rare are these? David Hall investment group graded Dime on Ebay
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I think I have only seen one other one of these. A little bit of a premium for the coin a David Hall GEM 65 1943-S Merc https://ebay.com/itm/306198149371
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I think the dimes are the most common of these, I picked this one up about 20 years ago. Not sure what it’s worth or what I paid, but I left the $130 price tag on it so I think I got it for a bit less than that back then.
Mr_Spud
These old Hall flips are not "rare" uncommon but not in the same league as an NGC black or white label rattler. I've seen a few of these for sale over the past year on some of the FB sites. I mostly see Morgans and Mercs, I have two common date 81-S Morgans in my collection. All the coins that I have seen in these flips have looked nice for the grade.
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Do these Flips contain PVC? Has anyone tested ?
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I’m pretty sure they are PVC flips, but the coins inside are protected by being placed in Kointains before being put into the flips.
Mr_Spud
Like many sub-areas of numismatics, these have their own history, nuances, market, and following. In general, they command a 2x-5x premium, depending on the series, date, and condition. 98% of the known examples are graded either MS65 or PR65.
Franklin halves are by far the most common series. The Buffalon 38-D is the most common coin.
The coin in the OP is in a Gen3 holder and sold quickly at 3x PCGS Price Guide (2x MS66 Price Guide). Here's the link to a guide on David Hall flips.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1073490/david-hall-dhnig-flips-categorizing-those-little-pre-slab-sort-of-slab-slabs
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Tommy
Oops, already answered by @Mr_Spud ....
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Tommy
I was wondering , thanks for the replies. Yes I see the Kointains now, little circular capsules that encompass the entire coin before its sealed in the flip. Good deal
It's all about what the people want...
No, thank you. You provided more info and the more info the better. I was the buyer on that coin, I know I paid a premium but I will buy what I have never seen before because they can't be common. In 10 years I will get my money back. Plus the coin is super PQ for a 65. I will be interested to see if CAC will sticker it. Given that JA founded NGC and his main competitor was David with PCGS I bet they won't. HRH use to post of the forum from time to time it would be cool if he did on these to give the history. @homerunhall
That looks like a 66 or 67 FB
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HRH use to post of the forum from time to time it would be cool if he did on these to give the history. @homerunhall
Here's the link to his input from 2003, which is incorporated in the guide:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/1727043
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Rare? Probably not. Desirable? Apparently so. Would i like to own one? Yes!
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Not sure why, but your link did not work for me - I had no idea there are some many variations
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1073490/david-hall-dhnig-flips-categorizing-those-little-pre-slab-sort-of-slab-slabs
@davewesen Thank you. I'm not sure what I did (or didn't do), I think mine are fixed now.
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FWIW, in the late 80’s, after the slabs had launched, I was at a Central States show and I tried to sell a Morgan in one of these sealed flips to Mr. Hall himself and he told me that those grades were no longer in effect.
JA co-founded PCGS as well
I think that photo would fit well in the Coin Dealer Glamour Shots thread.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1112240/coin-dealer-glamour-shots#latest
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I wonder how safe these holders are for long term coin storage. The coins are in capsules which helps but these capsules are not airtight and PVC out gases fumes. Since the PVC flips are sealed, the out-gassing fumes can't escape and will build up inside the sealed flip.
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I've owned a number of these holders over the years. Every coin was blast white and stayed blast white since the early '80's. This suggests that the cointain inside is protecting the coin from any PVC in the outer flip. I wouldn't worry about the PVC damaging the coin inside.
The blue holders aren't rare, but not common either. The older yellow flips are much harder to find. Here is one I used to own.
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Also, I had this article on the flips. Unfortunately, it doesn't show the actual author anywhere and I cannot recall where I got it. Would love to give proper credit to whomever "TA" is.
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Great information in that PDF @JeffersonFrog. Here is another one you can add to the census.
Here is another one (not mine) from the sale I got mine at:
I have been informed that @JeffersonFrog wrote the pdf in my post. Thanks Tommy!
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Thank you @psuman08 , I have added both to the database.
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The brown ones are RARE. The blue ones are scarce and will appreciate in the future.
@Cameonut, Either you or I am colorblind? I always thought the first David Hall flips were brown not yellow? I still have mine.
It's my poor description. The inserts are beige in color - not yellow. I sold mine several years ago for a handsome profit. Here is the only photo I have of it.
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Have not seen one of these in a long time.
It’s an interesting piece of history but something would have removed from flip submitted to TPG for slabbing decades ago.