Many of the QB's who are cycled through the NFL need to be ignored by teams so they retire. The two mentioned here, Jones and Darnold, are prime examples of that line of thinking. I can't really believe that teams are so desperate for QB talent that they believe Mac Jones could be anyone's answer.
And I understand that players want to get the most money they can and their agents try to maximize things, but the holding out now by Rodgers and Wilson is just ridiculous. They are both at a point in their careers where they are still talented but should be grateful to still be playing. Holding out like they both are doing won't endear themselves to fans and/or possibly whoever their teammates end up being.
According to the prevailing thought Rodgers is waiting on Mn to decide and Wilson is considering how terrible life in Cleveland will really be. Holding out? What?
This second wave of free agency signings is more like a trickle.
Cooper Kupp to the Seahawks
FB Kyle Juszczyk returns to the 49ers
OL Mekhi Becton to the Chargers
RB Kareem Hunt back to the Chiefs
DeAndre Hopkins to the Ravens
Also, two of the Bills FA signings, Larry Ogunjobi and Michael Hoecht, both got suspended 6 games each for PED use this offseason.
@Maywood said:
Many of the QB's who are cycled through the NFL need to be ignored by teams so they retire. The two mentioned here, Jones and Darnold, are prime examples of that line of thinking. I can't really believe that teams are so desperate for QB talent that they believe Mac Jones could be anyone's answer.
Is someone connected with the 49ers trying to make an argument that Mac Jones is now the answer at QB or for their offense? Over the past year plus we've know that many have asked the question is Brock Purdy is worth giving 60M a season too but IMHO that Mac Jones signing is nothing more than Kyle Shanahan adding a backup QB with history playing in a West Coast style offense.
@erikthredd, Shanahan has to be thinking that Jones can run the team due to the injuries that Purdy has suffered. To that end, all of the backup QB's in the NFL should be viewed as potential starters if you consider how often the starters go down. The Browns struggled with this and always seem to make the worst possible choice. Considering what/who is available I can't understand why they seem to have an aversion to Joe Flacco. He made $8.7mil last year and the Browns just signed Picket for $2.6mil. Considering the way ownership likes to throw away money it would seem the $6mil for Flacco would be a drop in the bucket. He is clearly a better QB.
@Maywood said: @erikthredd, Shanahan has to be thinking that Jones can run the team due to the injuries that Purdy has suffered. To that end, all of the backup QB's in the NFL should be viewed as potential starters if you consider how often the starters go down. The Browns struggled with this and always seem to make the worst possible choice. Considering what/who is available I can't understand why they seem to have an aversion to Joe Flacco. He made $8.7mil last year and the Browns just signed Picket for $2.6mil. Considering the way ownership likes to throw away money it would seem the $6mil for Flacco would be a drop in the bucket. He is clearly a better QB.
I don't get your point about Purdy's Injuries part when you look at his career and how its played out in SF.
2022: last man taken in the draft and was needed to become starter in Week 13 after Garappolo & Trey Lance were both on IR.
2023: missed one game
2024: missed two games
Is missing just three games due to injury now considered injury prone? Talk about yikes lol. Mac is nothing more than a backup and if SF finds themselves in a situation where Mac is now starting a long string of games that probably means their season has gone to crap real quick lol.
Not sure if your Flacco part is denouncing the Browns (for choosing him over Pickett?) or the 49ers (for choosing Mac over Joe?) but one thing that always needs to be factored with those decisions is if the QB in questions fits the offensive system you run. I definitely understand your gripe if it was aimed at the Browns but that teams needs to now find savings somewhere after paying Myles all of that cash lol.
Purdy hasnt been injury prone but his level of play declines drastically when he doesnt have the video game level of talent around him. Purdy definitely is not worth the contract that QBs are getting now.
@bgr said:
According to the prevailing thought Rodgers is waiting on Mn to decide and Wilson is considering how terrible life in Cleveland will really be. Holding out? What?
I just read an article that said McCarthy might not be ready to start season for the Vikes.
Aaron Rodgers might like to play behind our retooled O line and throw the ball to our great receiving group.
Not a Rodgers fan, but if McCarthy isn't healthy, we don't have a qb.
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Brock Purdy NFL injury history: bruised right elbow, right shoulder injury, cervical neck stinger, concussion, right elbow torn UCL.
On their face these may not seem significant and didn’t result in Purdy missing much time. The truth is that they occured over a two-year period of a three-year career, mainly at the end of two seasons and on the right side of his upper body. He may prove to be durable and have a long career but the evidence at hand would suggest otherwise.
My only point is that if Shanahan were acting cautiously in trying to be prepared for a further, debilitating injury to Brock Purdy that he could have made a better choice than Mac Jones.
This doesn't have the feel of an all-in type of offseason for the 49ers when you look at how many talented players that they've decided to either trade or not re-sign in free agency. On the plus side though, they're likely to eventually end up with a boatload of compensatory picks next offseason which is like gold to a team that drafts as well as SF does.
If I were a 49ers fan, I'd be very wary that the team is saving all of this cap space to then go extend Purdy to a mammoth contract. I'd probably wait and see if Purdy can have a bounce back type of season and do it with less expereinced talent around him on offense before I hand him a longterm extension. Maybe even find another mid round QB in the draft to start developing just in case and if they haven't already done that.
Chase agreed to a four-year, $161 million deal that includes $112 million guaranteed, while Higgins agreed to a four-year, $115 million deal that is guaranteed for the first two years, they told Fox Sports.
Supposedly the Bengals are now trying to come to an agreement on a new deal with DE Trey Hendrickson,
Looks like Rodgers F'd around and found out - Minnesota going with McCarthy. The Browns are still mentioning Rodgers though..................who knows - (who cares?)
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Aaron Rodgers still has a little gas in the tank but I think he over-priced himself when he was leaving Green Bay. Now he's stuck, it would please me to see nobody sign him. He's playing a game that really gets under my skin.
I think Arod can still play, but all that he brings to the locker room and team culture needs to be weighed in as well. Not a good team leader, I dont think
Now last week Pittsburgh said they didn't want Rodgers - but yet today Rodgers was at the Steelers facility. I guess they better sign him before the Browns do -
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
The Giants and Jameis Winston are finalizing a two-year, $8 million deal worth up to $16 million with incentives, according to Fox Sports' Jordan Schultz.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
As we inch closer to the Draft two things seem to be shaping up: Aaron Rodgers may have over-played his hand as his choices diminish and the Browns are inching closer to doing the right thing by choosing Abdul Carter with the 2nd overall pick.
@perkdog said: Carter going to the Browns would be beastly with Garrett on the other side.
Carter and Garrett together will help whoever the QB might be.
I spoke with a close friend today, we watch a lot of NFL together and talk football as much as anything else. He's a Steelers fan so you can imagine we get spirited sometimes. He thinks, as I do, that Kenny Picket will be just fine if that's who Cleveland starts the season with. As a former 1st round/20th overall pick he seemed fine with the Steelers, didn't need any work to become an NFL starter. With the Browns he should fit in as the "bridge" QB and be more than they need to get through to wherever the Front Office thinks the team is headed.
JMHO, adding Carter and starting with Picket at QB will win the team more games then using Picket as a backup, starting whatever rookie they could draft and having Myles Garrett double teamed all season.
I thought Minnesota was set on McCarthy??
"The Minnesota Vikings are reportedly considering signing veteran quarterback Ryan Tannehill, sources with knowledge of the situation confirmed to FOX Sports' Jordan Schultz."
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
@perkdog said:
I can't see how the Titans don't take Ward at #1
I'm not sure how much they like Ward or if they are ready to admit Levis just looks the part but Travis Hunter exists. You can get a QB next year, you wont be able to get a guy that can legitimately be a star on both sides of the ball that you just switch up how much he plays on either side depending who you play. While Ward is mostly considered the 1 its not a strong QB draft with the guys that went back to school and injury concerns. They could always try and do what the Chargers tried to do last year and failed hyping up the QBs trying to get someone to grossly overpay for a trade up.
Interesting:
"The Cleveland Browns are set to host quarterback Tyler Shough for a top 30 visit, throwing a potential curveball into the top of the NFL Draft. Shough has gained momentum during the lead-up to the draft, with some putting him ahead of Shedeur Sanders. Cam Ward is still considered the top passer available in the draft.Browns insider Mary Kay Cabot of cleveland.com reported the visit and said the Browns will consider him with the No. 2 overall pick."
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
@Maywood said: @perkdog said: Carter going to the Browns would be beastly with Garrett on the other side.
Carter and Garrett together will help whoever the QB might be.
I spoke with a close friend today, we watch a lot of NFL together and talk football as much as anything else. He's a Steelers fan so you can imagine we get spirited sometimes. He thinks, as I do, that Kenny Picket will be just fine if that's who Cleveland starts the season with. As a former 1st round/20th overall pick he seemed fine with the Steelers, didn't need any work to become an NFL starter. With the Browns he should fit in as the "bridge" QB and be more than they need to get through to wherever the Front Office thinks the team is headed.
JMHO, adding Carter and starting with Picket at QB will win the team more games then using Picket as a backup, starting whatever rookie they could draft and having Myles Garrett double teamed all season.
I understand what your saying about Picket being a bridge guy but for me personally I just think Picket is atrocious, like on the level of will Levis, those guys along with that other 3 named QB the Browns had had to be some of the worst QB's I've seen in a while.
@Steven59 said: said the Browns will consider him with the No. 2 overall pick.
All you need to know about this reporting is that Cleveland has demonstrated over the past 25 years that they are very inept when it comes to evaluating QB talent. They need to leave this guy alone. Eventually they will have to draft a QB, this just isn't the year.
@Steven59 said:
I thought Minnesota was set on McCarthy??
"The Minnesota Vikings are reportedly considering signing veteran quarterback Ryan Tannehill, sources with knowledge of the situation confirmed to FOX Sports' Jordan Schultz."
There has been some talk about McCarthy's knee not being fully healed, and we have known all along the Vikings need AT LEAST a quality back up.
Daniel Jones was the plan, but he signed elsewhere.
McCarthy might suck, so there's that too.
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@Steven59 said:
I thought Minnesota was set on McCarthy??
"The Minnesota Vikings are reportedly considering signing veteran quarterback Ryan Tannehill, sources with knowledge of the situation confirmed to FOX Sports' Jordan Schultz."
There has been some talk about McCarthy's knee not being fully healed, and we have known all along the Vikings need AT LEAST a quality back up.
Daniel Jones was the plan, but he signed elsewhere.
McCarthy might suck, so there's that too.
What the hell is going on with his knee?
The kid is 22 or 23 the injury happened in the 2024 training camp,
@Steven59 said:
I thought Minnesota was set on McCarthy??
"The Minnesota Vikings are reportedly considering signing veteran quarterback Ryan Tannehill, sources with knowledge of the situation confirmed to FOX Sports' Jordan Schultz."
There has been some talk about McCarthy's knee not being fully healed, and we have known all along the Vikings need AT LEAST a quality back up.
Daniel Jones was the plan, but he signed elsewhere.
McCarthy might suck, so there's that too.
What the hell is going on with his knee?
The kid is 22 or 23 the injury happened in the 2024 training camp,
Makes no sense
A week or so ago, I saw a story that suggested the Vikings were concerned that his torn meniscus operation was "behind schedule" or his rehab wasn't going as well as it was supposed to.
I haven't seen any official announcement from the team.
Either way, the Vikings need a back up QB.
I always liked Flacco. Isn't he still out there?
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@Steven59 said:
I thought Minnesota was set on McCarthy??
"The Minnesota Vikings are reportedly considering signing veteran quarterback Ryan Tannehill, sources with knowledge of the situation confirmed to FOX Sports' Jordan Schultz."
There has been some talk about McCarthy's knee not being fully healed, and we have known all along the Vikings need AT LEAST a quality back up.
Daniel Jones was the plan, but he signed elsewhere.
McCarthy might suck, so there's that too.
What the hell is going on with his knee?
The kid is 22 or 23 the injury happened in the 2024 training camp,
Makes no sense
A week or so ago, I saw a story that suggested the Vikings were concerned that his torn meniscus operation was "behind schedule" or his rehab wasn't going as well as it was supposed to.
I haven't seen any official announcement from the team.
Either way, the Vikings need a back up QB.
I always liked Flacco. Isn't he still out there?
I read something not to long ago that mentioned McCarthy needed to have a second surgery a few months after his first one due to the swelling in his knee. I wouldn't be surprised if the Vikings are just taking it slow while ramping up his rehab.
Looks like Flacco IS still available... https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/_/year/2025/position/qb
Judging by that list its pretty slim pickings in the QB market after Rodgers, their best options may be Flacco, Russell Wilson or Ryan Tannehil but he hasn't played in a game since January 2024.
McCarthy sucks but theres no way a surgery that as a 5 week recovery time for a normal person with limited medical care should still be an issue for a pro 7 months later unless the surgery was botched or there were complications theyre hiding.
As for Shough no one legitimate has him ahead of Ward or Sanders, or Dart, or Ewers. They may have worked him out to take him in the 5th round or something like that but youre getting fired if you take him 2nd overall. Theres an argument for Ewers as the best but the injury history basically takes him out of the conversation being a ticking timebomb to get seriously hurt again.
Someone is also going to do something stupid with Milroe aka Richardson 2.0, and Shough is Levis 2.0.
@Basebal21 said:
McCarthy sucks but theres no way a surgery that as a 5 week recovery time for a normal person with limited medical care should still be an issue for a pro 7 months later unless the surgery was botched or there were complications theyre hiding.
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McCarthy does NOT suck. He might be great, he might suck, but nobody knows yet.
McCarthy played for a loaded Michigan team and he basically hasn't lost a football game since pee wees.
The Vikings have become pretty close to a loaded team on offense, with the addition of two veteran offensive lineman and a very good running back to go along with one of the best (the best?) groups of receivers in the NFL.
He had the full meniscus repair. He should be recovered by now, but there could have been complications, we don't know.
I don't trust rookies and the new regime for the Vikings don't seem to have a clue on evaluating draft picks.
I figured Darnold would be gone and Daniel Jones would be signed. With Jones moving on, the Vikes have absolutely no one as a back up (or starter) if McCarthy does suck, or gets hurt.
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@JoeBanzai said: McCarthy does NOT suck. He might be great, he might suck, but nobody knows yet.
He has not proven yet in the NFL that he sucks, but there is a higher likelihood that he will prove he sucks rather than prove he is great. But you are correct, nothing has been proven yet. I would ask this: Do you defend him because you think he'll be great or because he's a Viking??
@Maywood said: @JoeBanzai said: McCarthy does NOT suck. He might be great, he might suck, but nobody knows yet.
He has not proven yet in the NFL that he sucks, but there is a higher likelihood that he will prove he sucks rather than prove he is great. But you are correct, nothing has been proven yet. I would ask this: Do you defend him because you think he'll be great or because he's a Viking??
Defend him?
I said I don't trust rookies and the Vikings have had some TERRIBLE drafts lately. I also said I wanted Daniel Jones on the team, who at least has played in the NFL with some success.
I WANT McCarthy to be great because he's the only quarterback we have.
I would go out and get Joe Flacco immediately. He can't demand too high of a salary.
The Vikings look to have FINALLY got a top tier offensive line, 2 excellent runners and the best(?) receiving goup in the NFL. Do we need to have a great QB?
I am also somewhat at a loss as to why so many think he "sucks". He played on great teams and, for he most part, played great. No, he wasn't asked to carry those teams, but he has a great record of winning.
There's not a lot of evidence to go on, but what I've seen, he looks good.
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We think, or at least I think, he sucks because we watched him play college football. He did nothing exceptional, isn't much of a runner and doesn't have a very good arm. He had the good fortune to play on a few loaded teams.
I know it seemed like it wasn't going to happen... for. a. minute.... but Aaron Rodgers to the Vikings is the only thing that makes sense in the code that runs this simulation.
Also Stefon Diggs to the Pats on 3yr/69M deal. Schefter is reporting that he’s on track to be ready for week one.
With NY signing Winston & Wilson over the past week it possibly means that they're now in play for either Carter or Hunter if Ward goes #1. Probably not going to take a QB there.
@Basebal21 said:
McCarthy sucks but theres no way a surgery that as a 5 week recovery time for a normal person with limited medical care should still be an issue for a pro 7 months later unless the surgery was botched or there were complications theyre hiding.
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McCarthy does NOT suck. He might be great, he might suck, but nobody knows yet.
McCarthy played for a loaded Michigan team and he basically hasn't lost a football game since pee wees.
The Vikings have become pretty close to a loaded team on offense, with the addition of two veteran offensive lineman and a very good running back to go along with one of the best (the best?) groups of receivers in the NFL.
He had the full meniscus repair. He should be recovered by now, but there could have been complications, we don't know.
I don't trust rookies and the new regime for the Vikings don't seem to have a clue on evaluating draft picks.
I figured Darnold would be gone and Daniel Jones would be signed. With Jones moving on, the Vikes have absolutely no one as a back up (or starter) if McCarthy does suck, or gets hurt.
Saying that he doesnt suck in the NFL yet is true He sucked in college, he was below average on a team that was so much better than anyone in their conference other than OSU. He was so "good" they let him throw 8 passes against PSU who had NFL DBs and they went 35+ minutes without attempting a pass.
He could find success because that Vikings offense is so loaded right now that the bar for success is very low with what they currently have.
The surgery thing I am struggling to figure out. Maybe some buyers remorse using that but its not a big surgery as far as knees go and hes certainly getting a lot more care than normal people do. Complications seem the most likely answer if he really isnt still good to go.
I think Darnold will regress in Seattle but good for him getting paid.
Not having a 2nd round pick is a little tough for the Vikings but Gabriel or Dart night still be there that third round if they dont convince Rodgers to play another year and go a different direction. I dont love this QB draft
While it’s not uncommon for meniscus surgeries involving tissue removal to carry a not-insignificant risk of infection I also wonder whether anyone has considered Venezuelan gangs? They came up as a potential culprit in the Gene Hackman tragedy and I see a similar signature here.
@Basebal21 said:
McCarthy sucks but theres no way a surgery that as a 5 week recovery time for a normal person with limited medical care should still be an issue for a pro 7 months later unless the surgery was botched or there were complications theyre hiding.
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McCarthy does NOT suck. He might be great, he might suck, but nobody knows yet.
McCarthy played for a loaded Michigan team and he basically hasn't lost a football game since pee wees.
The Vikings have become pretty close to a loaded team on offense, with the addition of two veteran offensive lineman and a very good running back to go along with one of the best (the best?) groups of receivers in the NFL.
He had the full meniscus repair. He should be recovered by now, but there could have been complications, we don't know.
I don't trust rookies and the new regime for the Vikings don't seem to have a clue on evaluating draft picks.
I figured Darnold would be gone and Daniel Jones would be signed. With Jones moving on, the Vikes have absolutely no one as a back up (or starter) if McCarthy does suck, or gets hurt.
Saying that he doesnt suck in the NFL yet is true He sucked in college, he was below average on a team that was so much better than anyone in their conference other than OSU. He was so "good" they let him throw 8 passes against PSU who had NFL DBs and they went 35+ minutes without attempting a pass.
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I've seen this argument before and it's pretty weak. I looked at the game you mentioned and there's absolutely ZERO reason to pass when the game is not going to be lost.
If he "sucked" so bad, how does he win player of the game in the Championship?
He completed 72% of his passes as a Senior.
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He could find success because that Vikings offense is so loaded right now that the bar for success is very low with what they currently have.
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This is really all that concerns me. We provided Cousins with a completely pathetic pass blocking center of the offensive line, knowing full well ahead of time, he had poor mobility. At the same time, the defense went from a top 10 group to one of the worst in pro football. Many blamed Kirk, but I did not.
This should not be a problem with Darrisaw coming back and the new free agent guard and tackle acquired.
I wold rather have Bob Griese than Dan Marino if winning the Super Bowl with a "game manager" can be accomplished, rather than not winning one with an all time great QB.
It's a team sport.
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The surgery thing I am struggling to figure out. Maybe some buyers remorse using that but its not a big surgery as far as knees go and hes certainly getting a lot more care than normal people do. Complications seem the most likely answer if he really isnt still good to go.
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Darnold is a good QB,
Seattle got better last year on defense, they have a good receiver, but I doubt they have the weapons the Vikings do. Darnold will be OK, but his team won't be as successful.
GO VIKINGS!
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The closer we get to the Draft the more it seems to be sorting itself out. The fly in the ointment is how much involvement owners choose to take and wrestle the choices away from "football people" in the front office/field. Looks to me like the Colorado mouth may slip all the way 5-6 are even lower if teams really address their needs and choose the best available athlete. Conversely, since Cleveland drafts 2nd he could go then.
@JoeBanzai said:
I've seen this argument before and it's pretty weak. I looked at the game you mentioned and there's absolutely ZERO reason to pass when the game is not going to be lost.
If he "sucked" so bad, how does he win player of the game in the Championship?
He completed 72% of his passes as a Senior.
The thing with it though is that the argument of saying theres no reason they need to pass just argues how much better the roster was than the other teams. Michigan didnt trust him against those DBs and took the ball out of his hands and put the ball in the hands of their best players that they trusted to win the game. No team takes the ball out of their QBs hands for 35+ minutes unless they think hes a liability.
Its not that hard to have a high completion rate when you dont throw the ball down field. If he is successful with the Vikings it will be because his teammates lifted him up not the other way around.
He might just have a deal with the devil too lol. He wasnt that good at IMG in High School, landed on a loaded Michigan roster that he didnt have to do much for and now is on the Vikings with a great offensive roster
This is really all that concerns me. We provided Cousins with a completely pathetic pass blocking center of the offensive line, knowing full well ahead of time, he had poor mobility. At the same time, the defense went from a top 10 group to one of the worst in pro football. Many blamed Kirk, but I did not.
This should not be a problem with Darrisaw coming back and the new free agent guard and tackle acquired.
I wold rather have Bob Griese than Dan Marino if winning the Super Bowl with a "game manager" can be accomplished, rather than not winning one with an all time great QB.
It's a team sport.
Definitely a team sport and QBs can and do get both to much credit and to much blame. Marinos teammates let him down and guys like Eli got carried by their team in some of the years they won.
The Wikings are in a very good offensive spot where there QB doesnt really have to be good to have success right now. That window will close at some point, but its open right now.
No official word on McCarthy's knee. We'll soon find out.
Seems like theyre just going to hold that until they have to say something. He really should have been recovered by now with the care they should have been giving him.
Darnold is a good QB,
Seattle got better last year on defense, they have a good receiver, but I doubt they have the weapons the Vikings do. Darnold will be OK, but his team won't be as successful.
GO VIKINGS!
He has talent for sure but the Seahawks got rid of Metcalf which is really going to hurt. I do think hes better than he gets credit for since the Jets basically ruin every QB but thats going to be a tougher situation again.
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If Rodgers does sign with the Vikings someone needs to review some code in the simulation.
Many of the QB's who are cycled through the NFL need to be ignored by teams so they retire. The two mentioned here, Jones and Darnold, are prime examples of that line of thinking. I can't really believe that teams are so desperate for QB talent that they believe Mac Jones could be anyone's answer.
And I understand that players want to get the most money they can and their agents try to maximize things, but the holding out now by Rodgers and Wilson is just ridiculous. They are both at a point in their careers where they are still talented but should be grateful to still be playing. Holding out like they both are doing won't endear themselves to fans and/or possibly whoever their teammates end up being.
Drama queens both.
According to the prevailing thought Rodgers is waiting on Mn to decide and Wilson is considering how terrible life in Cleveland will really be. Holding out? What?
This second wave of free agency signings is more like a trickle.
Cooper Kupp to the Seahawks
FB Kyle Juszczyk returns to the 49ers
OL Mekhi Becton to the Chargers
RB Kareem Hunt back to the Chiefs
DeAndre Hopkins to the Ravens
Also, two of the Bills FA signings, Larry Ogunjobi and Michael Hoecht, both got suspended 6 games each for PED use this offseason.
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Is someone connected with the 49ers trying to make an argument that Mac Jones is now the answer at QB or for their offense? Over the past year plus we've know that many have asked the question is Brock Purdy is worth giving 60M a season too but IMHO that Mac Jones signing is nothing more than Kyle Shanahan adding a backup QB with history playing in a West Coast style offense.
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@erikthredd, Shanahan has to be thinking that Jones can run the team due to the injuries that Purdy has suffered. To that end, all of the backup QB's in the NFL should be viewed as potential starters if you consider how often the starters go down. The Browns struggled with this and always seem to make the worst possible choice. Considering what/who is available I can't understand why they seem to have an aversion to Joe Flacco. He made $8.7mil last year and the Browns just signed Picket for $2.6mil. Considering the way ownership likes to throw away money it would seem the $6mil for Flacco would be a drop in the bucket. He is clearly a better QB.
I don't get your point about Purdy's Injuries part when you look at his career and how its played out in SF.
2022: last man taken in the draft and was needed to become starter in Week 13 after Garappolo & Trey Lance were both on IR.
2023: missed one game
2024: missed two games
Is missing just three games due to injury now considered injury prone? Talk about yikes lol. Mac is nothing more than a backup and if SF finds themselves in a situation where Mac is now starting a long string of games that probably means their season has gone to crap real quick lol.
Not sure if your Flacco part is denouncing the Browns (for choosing him over Pickett?) or the 49ers (for choosing Mac over Joe?) but one thing that always needs to be factored with those decisions is if the QB in questions fits the offensive system you run. I definitely understand your gripe if it was aimed at the Browns but that teams needs to now find savings somewhere after paying Myles all of that cash lol.
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Purdy hasnt been injury prone but his level of play declines drastically when he doesnt have the video game level of talent around him. Purdy definitely is not worth the contract that QBs are getting now.
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I just read an article that said McCarthy might not be ready to start season for the Vikes.
Aaron Rodgers might like to play behind our retooled O line and throw the ball to our great receiving group.
Not a Rodgers fan, but if McCarthy isn't healthy, we don't have a qb.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/44269797/vikings-acquiring-rb-jordan-mason-trade-niners
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Brock Purdy NFL injury history: bruised right elbow, right shoulder injury, cervical neck stinger, concussion, right elbow torn UCL.
On their face these may not seem significant and didn’t result in Purdy missing much time. The truth is that they occured over a two-year period of a three-year career, mainly at the end of two seasons and on the right side of his upper body. He may prove to be durable and have a long career but the evidence at hand would suggest otherwise.
My only point is that if Shanahan were acting cautiously in trying to be prepared for a further, debilitating injury to Brock Purdy that he could have made a better choice than Mac Jones.
This doesn't have the feel of an all-in type of offseason for the 49ers when you look at how many talented players that they've decided to either trade or not re-sign in free agency. On the plus side though, they're likely to eventually end up with a boatload of compensatory picks next offseason which is like gold to a team that drafts as well as SF does.
If I were a 49ers fan, I'd be very wary that the team is saving all of this cap space to then go extend Purdy to a mammoth contract. I'd probably wait and see if Purdy can have a bounce back type of season and do it with less expereinced talent around him on offense before I hand him a longterm extension. Maybe even find another mid round QB in the draft to start developing just in case and if they haven't already done that.
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If I was a 49ers fan Id find a new team to root for if Purdy gets one of these massive QB contracts lol
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/44284476/bengals-agree-extensions-jamarr-chase-tee-higgins
Chase agreed to a four-year, $161 million deal that includes $112 million guaranteed, while Higgins agreed to a four-year, $115 million deal that is guaranteed for the first two years, they told Fox Sports.
Supposedly the Bengals are now trying to come to an agreement on a new deal with DE Trey Hendrickson,
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Looks like Rodgers F'd around and found out - Minnesota going with McCarthy. The Browns are still mentioning Rodgers though..................who knows - (who cares?)
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Aaron Rodgers still has a little gas in the tank but I think he over-priced himself when he was leaving Green Bay. Now he's stuck, it would please me to see nobody sign him. He's playing a game that really gets under my skin.
I think Arod can still play, but all that he brings to the locker room and team culture needs to be weighed in as well. Not a good team leader, I dont think
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
What Arod's been doing while the NFL world waits to see where he lands next...
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHGdn_YuL68/?igsh=bTU5bjd3ZzlsZTVo
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Thank you for that. Those were hilarious.
Now last week Pittsburgh said they didn't want Rodgers - but yet today Rodgers was at the Steelers facility. I guess they better sign him before the Browns do -
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
The Giants and Jameis Winston are finalizing a two-year, $8 million deal worth up to $16 million with incentives, according to Fox Sports' Jordan Schultz.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
As we inch closer to the Draft two things seem to be shaping up: Aaron Rodgers may have over-played his hand as his choices diminish and the Browns are inching closer to doing the right thing by choosing Abdul Carter with the 2nd overall pick.
I can't see how the Titans don't take Ward at #1
Carter going to the Browns would be beastly with Garrett on the other side
@perkdog said: Carter going to the Browns would be beastly with Garrett on the other side.
Carter and Garrett together will help whoever the QB might be.
I spoke with a close friend today, we watch a lot of NFL together and talk football as much as anything else. He's a Steelers fan so you can imagine we get spirited sometimes. He thinks, as I do, that Kenny Picket will be just fine if that's who Cleveland starts the season with. As a former 1st round/20th overall pick he seemed fine with the Steelers, didn't need any work to become an NFL starter. With the Browns he should fit in as the "bridge" QB and be more than they need to get through to wherever the Front Office thinks the team is headed.
JMHO, adding Carter and starting with Picket at QB will win the team more games then using Picket as a backup, starting whatever rookie they could draft and having Myles Garrett double teamed all season.
I thought Minnesota was set on McCarthy??
"The Minnesota Vikings are reportedly considering signing veteran quarterback Ryan Tannehill, sources with knowledge of the situation confirmed to FOX Sports' Jordan Schultz."
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
I'm not sure how much they like Ward or if they are ready to admit Levis just looks the part but Travis Hunter exists. You can get a QB next year, you wont be able to get a guy that can legitimately be a star on both sides of the ball that you just switch up how much he plays on either side depending who you play. While Ward is mostly considered the 1 its not a strong QB draft with the guys that went back to school and injury concerns. They could always try and do what the Chargers tried to do last year and failed hyping up the QBs trying to get someone to grossly overpay for a trade up.
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Interesting:
"The Cleveland Browns are set to host quarterback Tyler Shough for a top 30 visit, throwing a potential curveball into the top of the NFL Draft. Shough has gained momentum during the lead-up to the draft, with some putting him ahead of Shedeur Sanders. Cam Ward is still considered the top passer available in the draft.Browns insider Mary Kay Cabot of cleveland.com reported the visit and said the Browns will consider him with the No. 2 overall pick."
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
I understand what your saying about Picket being a bridge guy but for me personally I just think Picket is atrocious, like on the level of will Levis, those guys along with that other 3 named QB the Browns had had to be some of the worst QB's I've seen in a while.
The D could win them some games though
@Steven59 said: said the Browns will consider him with the No. 2 overall pick.
All you need to know about this reporting is that Cleveland has demonstrated over the past 25 years that they are very inept when it comes to evaluating QB talent. They need to leave this guy alone. Eventually they will have to draft a QB, this just isn't the year.
There has been some talk about McCarthy's knee not being fully healed, and we have known all along the Vikings need AT LEAST a quality back up.
Daniel Jones was the plan, but he signed elsewhere.
McCarthy might suck, so there's that too.
What the hell is going on with his knee?
The kid is 22 or 23 the injury happened in the 2024 training camp,
Makes no sense
A week or so ago, I saw a story that suggested the Vikings were concerned that his torn meniscus operation was "behind schedule" or his rehab wasn't going as well as it was supposed to.
I haven't seen any official announcement from the team.
Either way, the Vikings need a back up QB.
I always liked Flacco. Isn't he still out there?
I read something not to long ago that mentioned McCarthy needed to have a second surgery a few months after his first one due to the swelling in his knee. I wouldn't be surprised if the Vikings are just taking it slow while ramping up his rehab.
Looks like Flacco IS still available... https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/_/year/2025/position/qb
Judging by that list its pretty slim pickings in the QB market after Rodgers, their best options may be Flacco, Russell Wilson or Ryan Tannehil but he hasn't played in a game since January 2024.
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McCarthy sucks but theres no way a surgery that as a 5 week recovery time for a normal person with limited medical care should still be an issue for a pro 7 months later unless the surgery was botched or there were complications theyre hiding.
As for Shough no one legitimate has him ahead of Ward or Sanders, or Dart, or Ewers. They may have worked him out to take him in the 5th round or something like that but youre getting fired if you take him 2nd overall. Theres an argument for Ewers as the best but the injury history basically takes him out of the conversation being a ticking timebomb to get seriously hurt again.
Someone is also going to do something stupid with Milroe aka Richardson 2.0, and Shough is Levis 2.0.
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McCarthy does NOT suck. He might be great, he might suck, but nobody knows yet.
McCarthy played for a loaded Michigan team and he basically hasn't lost a football game since pee wees.
The Vikings have become pretty close to a loaded team on offense, with the addition of two veteran offensive lineman and a very good running back to go along with one of the best (the best?) groups of receivers in the NFL.
He had the full meniscus repair. He should be recovered by now, but there could have been complications, we don't know.
I don't trust rookies and the new regime for the Vikings don't seem to have a clue on evaluating draft picks.
I figured Darnold would be gone and Daniel Jones would be signed. With Jones moving on, the Vikes have absolutely no one as a back up (or starter) if McCarthy does suck, or gets hurt.
@JoeBanzai said: McCarthy does NOT suck. He might be great, he might suck, but nobody knows yet.
He has not proven yet in the NFL that he sucks, but there is a higher likelihood that he will prove he sucks rather than prove he is great. But you are correct, nothing has been proven yet. I would ask this: Do you defend him because you think he'll be great or because he's a Viking??
Defend him?
I said I don't trust rookies and the Vikings have had some TERRIBLE drafts lately. I also said I wanted Daniel Jones on the team, who at least has played in the NFL with some success.
I WANT McCarthy to be great because he's the only quarterback we have.
I would go out and get Joe Flacco immediately. He can't demand too high of a salary.
The Vikings look to have FINALLY got a top tier offensive line, 2 excellent runners and the best(?) receiving goup in the NFL. Do we need to have a great QB?
I am also somewhat at a loss as to why so many think he "sucks". He played on great teams and, for he most part, played great. No, he wasn't asked to carry those teams, but he has a great record of winning.
There's not a lot of evidence to go on, but what I've seen, he looks good.
We think, or at least I think, he sucks because we watched him play college football. He did nothing exceptional, isn't much of a runner and doesn't have a very good arm. He had the good fortune to play on a few loaded teams.
I know it seemed like it wasn't going to happen... for. a. minute.... but Aaron Rodgers to the Vikings is the only thing that makes sense in the code that runs this simulation.
Russell Wilson, Giants Agree to Contract Worth Up to $21M
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
That would seem to mean that Rodgers will soon sign with the Steelers.
Also Stefon Diggs to the Pats on 3yr/69M deal. Schefter is reporting that he’s on track to be ready for week one.
With NY signing Winston & Wilson over the past week it possibly means that they're now in play for either Carter or Hunter if Ward goes #1. Probably not going to take a QB there.
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Saying that he doesnt suck in the NFL yet is true He sucked in college, he was below average on a team that was so much better than anyone in their conference other than OSU. He was so "good" they let him throw 8 passes against PSU who had NFL DBs and they went 35+ minutes without attempting a pass.
He could find success because that Vikings offense is so loaded right now that the bar for success is very low with what they currently have.
The surgery thing I am struggling to figure out. Maybe some buyers remorse using that but its not a big surgery as far as knees go and hes certainly getting a lot more care than normal people do. Complications seem the most likely answer if he really isnt still good to go.
I think Darnold will regress in Seattle but good for him getting paid.
Not having a 2nd round pick is a little tough for the Vikings but Gabriel or Dart night still be there that third round if they dont convince Rodgers to play another year and go a different direction. I dont love this QB draft
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While it’s not uncommon for meniscus surgeries involving tissue removal to carry a not-insignificant risk of infection I also wonder whether anyone has considered Venezuelan gangs? They came up as a potential culprit in the Gene Hackman tragedy and I see a similar signature here.
I don't know why he would chose the Steelers over the Vikings.
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I've seen this argument before and it's pretty weak. I looked at the game you mentioned and there's absolutely ZERO reason to pass when the game is not going to be lost.
If he "sucked" so bad, how does he win player of the game in the Championship?
He completed 72% of his passes as a Senior.
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This is really all that concerns me. We provided Cousins with a completely pathetic pass blocking center of the offensive line, knowing full well ahead of time, he had poor mobility. At the same time, the defense went from a top 10 group to one of the worst in pro football. Many blamed Kirk, but I did not.
This should not be a problem with Darrisaw coming back and the new free agent guard and tackle acquired.
I wold rather have Bob Griese than Dan Marino if winning the Super Bowl with a "game manager" can be accomplished, rather than not winning one with an all time great QB.
It's a team sport.
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No official word on McCarthy's knee. We'll soon find out.
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Darnold is a good QB,
Seattle got better last year on defense, they have a good receiver, but I doubt they have the weapons the Vikings do. Darnold will be OK, but his team won't be as successful.
GO VIKINGS!
The closer we get to the Draft the more it seems to be sorting itself out. The fly in the ointment is how much involvement owners choose to take and wrestle the choices away from "football people" in the front office/field. Looks to me like the Colorado mouth may slip all the way 5-6 are even lower if teams really address their needs and choose the best available athlete. Conversely, since Cleveland drafts 2nd he could go then.
The thing with it though is that the argument of saying theres no reason they need to pass just argues how much better the roster was than the other teams. Michigan didnt trust him against those DBs and took the ball out of his hands and put the ball in the hands of their best players that they trusted to win the game. No team takes the ball out of their QBs hands for 35+ minutes unless they think hes a liability.
Its not that hard to have a high completion rate when you dont throw the ball down field. If he is successful with the Vikings it will be because his teammates lifted him up not the other way around.
He might just have a deal with the devil too lol. He wasnt that good at IMG in High School, landed on a loaded Michigan roster that he didnt have to do much for and now is on the Vikings with a great offensive roster
Definitely a team sport and QBs can and do get both to much credit and to much blame. Marinos teammates let him down and guys like Eli got carried by their team in some of the years they won.
The Wikings are in a very good offensive spot where there QB doesnt really have to be good to have success right now. That window will close at some point, but its open right now.
Seems like theyre just going to hold that until they have to say something. He really should have been recovered by now with the care they should have been giving him.
He has talent for sure but the Seahawks got rid of Metcalf which is really going to hurt. I do think hes better than he gets credit for since the Jets basically ruin every QB but thats going to be a tougher situation again.
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Carter had dinner with the Haslam's last night - strong speculation he's getting picked second.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"