"The Carolina Panthers could be set to select Desmond Waston in the 2025 NFL Draft as the front office at the Bank of America Stadium plans to bring the heaviest player in the history of the sport to their field.
The 464lb defensive tackle will eclipse the record holder, Aaron Gibson, by around 50lbs and will weigh 99lbs more than the Philadelphia Eagles' monstrous 6ft 8in Jordan Mailata.
Not just heavy, the 21-year-old also clocks a solid 5.93 in the 40-yard dash as well as performing a 25-inch vertical jump whilst also adding 36 reps on the 225lb bench press, showing strength too."
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
@Maywood said:
Oh boy, a recent Shedeur Sanders quote: "All I need is an opportunity. Simple,” Sanders told ESPN. “Whatever franchise wants to change their franchise, then it’s no doubt who to go with. I’ve done it over and over and over. You’ll be a fool not to pick me."
@Maywood said:
Oh boy, a recent Shedeur Sanders quote: "All I need is an opportunity. Simple,” Sanders told ESPN. “Whatever franchise wants to change their franchise, then it’s no doubt who to go with. I’ve done it over and over and over. You’ll be a fool not to pick me."
And here we go lol
I was thinking the same thing. Sounds like Johnny Manziel all over
@erikthredd, I don't even know why they'd go unless there was still a slight chance Haslam wants the kid. That's really the only logical reason to show up for a workout unless it's all a diversion campaign to mess up the other teams' thinking. Either way, there will be a head explosion --- Deion's head if Shedeur slips down into the round 1-20's, @Maywood if Cleveland picks him.
@Maywood said: @erikthredd, I don't even know why they'd go unless there was still a slight chance Haslam wants the kid. That's really the only logical reason to show up for a workout unless it's all a diversion campaign to mess up the other teams' thinking. Either way, there will be a head explosion --- Deion's head if Shedeur slips down into the round 1-20's, @Maywood if Cleveland picks him.
I think that there's still a real chance that he ends up with NY @ 3 if Cleveland doesn't take him. I don't know who the guy is that took that picture that I posted in my last comment but he also posted this other tweet about the Giants brass talking with Shedeur. Could be legit or it could be total crap. 🤷♂️ https://x.com/realmaceblack/status/1908254090817159475
It seems like the closer we get to the Draft the more hype comes out about certain players and the more intense the disinformation becomes. Right now there seems to be a big push about Travis Hunter and the various sites are trying to bring attention to themselves by proposing wild trade rumors.
It reminds me of a few years ago when the same thing happened with Bryce Young and CJ Stroud. It pushed Young to the top, which rhymes with FLOP, and Stroud sank to number two. It’s all very laughable to me.
@Maywood said:
It seems like the closer we get to the Draft the more hype comes out about certain players and the more intense the disinformation becomes. Right now there seems to be a big push about Travis Hunter and the various sites are trying to bring attention to themselves by proposing wild trade rumors.
It reminds me of a few years ago when the same thing happened with Bryce Young and CJ Stroud. It pushed Young to the top, which rhymes with FLOP, and Stroud sank to number two. It’s all very laughable to me.
The talk here seems to now be that Hunter is the new favorite being mocked to the Browns after Haslam personally went to the CU pro day and assuming the Giants go with Shedeur, Carter likely falls to NE. The plot literally changes with every turn of the news cycle.
Can we just fast forward to draft day so we no longer have to hear the draft "experts" keep pulling hot takes out their butts At least then we can make fun of their immediate draft grades lol.
How many times have we ever heard an owner of a pro sports team state publically that trading for you was a big swing & miss while the player was still on the team lol?
"Hey Guys, I'm literally still in the room" - Deshaun Watson
What's Watson owed, $93million?? Maybe they made him a buyout offer and he took it. Also, it wouldn't surprise me to hear that his achilles is still injured and not responding to treatment.
@Maywood This article does a good job of explaining Watson's contract situation. https://football.realgm.com/wiretap/52784/Deshaun-Watson-Browns-Locked-In-By-Contract-Amid-Uncertain-NFL-Future
Here's a piece of it... Watson, who turns 30 in September, is owed $46 million in each of the next two seasons with $173 million in cap hits remaining on his contract. Cleveland has already restructured his deal multiple times, most recently in March, pushing cap charges into future years.
Parting ways with Watson this offseason would place the entirety of his remaining contract as dead money on the 2025 salary cap, making roster construction nearly impossible. The $173 million dead cap charge would more than double the NFL record set by the Denver Broncos when they released Russell Wilson in March 2024.
If his overall dead cap charge is at 173M then I'm guessing that your 93M might just be what it would cost Cleveland on the 2025 cap alone. There's probably going to be a large chunk of future dead cap money still owed after that.
Haslam was right though, he did swing & miss hard, but at least Browns fans know that he went down swinging with the hope of getting better. The owner here won't even swing at all but that might be because there's likely a height requirement to even step into the batter's box.
@Maywood said:
What's Watson owed, $93million?? Maybe they made him a buyout offer and he took it. Also, it wouldn't surprise me to hear that his achilles is still injured and not responding to treatment.
I would t be surprised if they found him in breach of his contract as far as following treatment protocols, I read that there were rumors about Watson not wearing his walking boot and potentially was to blame in his Achilles not healing properly
I'm not saying it's true or false just what I read, they might have something on him and might be a deal being hacked out who knows
With all thew cap space BS it appears that this dud has not only ruined the team for two seasons as an active player but once he's gone he will still be a shadow over the team and affect the roster.
If that isn't enough for Haslam to stop playing GM and follow the @Maywood prescription of "Draft Carter" than it's hopeless and they might as well burn down the franchise.
@Maywood said:
What's Watson owed, $93million?? Maybe they made him a buyout offer and he took it. Also, it wouldn't surprise me to hear that his achilles is still injured and not responding to treatment.
I would t be surprised if they found him in breach of his contract as far as following treatment protocols, I read that there were rumors about Watson not wearing his walking boot and potentially was to blame in his Achilles not healing properly
I'm not saying it's true or false just what I read, they might have something on him and might be a deal being hacked out who knows
They might be attempting to put that narrative out there in an attempt to void his contract but it wont work. They wouldnt be the first team to try that for a player.
@Maywood said:
With all thew cap space BS it appears that this dud has not only ruined the team for two seasons as an active player but once he's gone he will still be a shadow over the team and affect the roster.
If that isn't enough for Haslam to stop playing GM and follow the @Maywood prescription of "Draft Carter" than it's hopeless and they might as well burn down the franchise.
What are they gonna do on offense? Between not having a good young QB in the pipeline and your star RB that's been devastated by injuries in recent years who isn't even under contract, not going with someone on offense would make an extremely hopeless siuation look even worse. Pats fans have seen what a very good defense/very bad offense looks like in recent years and its ugly. Really ugly. People keep talking about a Cousins trade to the Browns but you still wouldn't have that young QB which would cost at least one more pick.
Carter & Garrett seem like they'd be an entertaining duo and may break Burrow at some point but are they catching Lamar Jackson?
@Maywood said:
What's Watson owed, $93million?? Maybe they made him a buyout offer and he took it. Also, it wouldn't surprise me to hear that his achilles is still injured and not responding to treatment.
I would t be surprised if they found him in breach of his contract as far as following treatment protocols, I read that there were rumors about Watson not wearing his walking boot and potentially was to blame in his Achilles not healing properly
I'm not saying it's true or false just what I read, they might have something on him and might be a deal being hacked out who knows
They might be attempting to put that narrative out there in an attempt to void his contract but it wont work. They wouldnt be the first team to try that for a player.
Well if he breached his contract and it's real then they would be in a situation where discussions would happen
@Maywood said:
What's Watson owed, $93million?? Maybe they made him a buyout offer and he took it. Also, it wouldn't surprise me to hear that his achilles is still injured and not responding to treatment.
I would t be surprised if they found him in breach of his contract as far as following treatment protocols, I read that there were rumors about Watson not wearing his walking boot and potentially was to blame in his Achilles not healing properly
I'm not saying it's true or false just what I read, they might have something on him and might be a deal being hacked out who knows
They might be attempting to put that narrative out there in an attempt to void his contract but it wont work. They wouldnt be the first team to try that for a player.
Well if he breached his contract and it's real then they would be in a situation where discussions would happen
I dont know whats in his contract language but even if he did its not necessarily a breach and certainly not one that would necessarily be able to void a contract. The NFLPA doesnt fight for players often but would fight this one with how much guaranteed money is left. Usually when teams force some sort of buy out the player had been seeing some sort of rehab facility that isnt approved or their own doctors type thing like what happened with the Yankees and Ellsbury. He still got money in the buyout even though he used unapproved medical facilities
@Maywood said:
What's Watson owed, $93million?? Maybe they made him a buyout offer and he took it. Also, it wouldn't surprise me to hear that his achilles is still injured and not responding to treatment.
I would t be surprised if they found him in breach of his contract as far as following treatment protocols, I read that there were rumors about Watson not wearing his walking boot and potentially was to blame in his Achilles not healing properly
I'm not saying it's true or false just what I read, they might have something on him and might be a deal being hacked out who knows
They might be attempting to put that narrative out there in an attempt to void his contract but it wont work. They wouldnt be the first team to try that for a player.
Well if he breached his contract and it's real then they would be in a situation where discussions would happen
I dont know whats in his contract language but even if he did its not necessarily a breach and certainly not one that would necessarily be able to void a contract. The NFLPA doesnt fight for players often but would fight this one with how much guaranteed money is left. Usually when teams force some sort of buy out the player had been seeing some sort of rehab facility that isnt approved or their own doctors type thing like what happened with the Yankees and Ellsbury. He still got money in the buyout even though he used unapproved medical facilities
@Maywood said:
What's Watson owed, $93million?? Maybe they made him a buyout offer and he took it. Also, it wouldn't surprise me to hear that his achilles is still injured and not responding to treatment.
I would t be surprised if they found him in breach of his contract as far as following treatment protocols, I read that there were rumors about Watson not wearing his walking boot and potentially was to blame in his Achilles not healing properly
I'm not saying it's true or false just what I read, they might have something on him and might be a deal being hacked out who knows
They might be attempting to put that narrative out there in an attempt to void his contract but it wont work. They wouldnt be the first team to try that for a player.
Well if he breached his contract and it's real then they would be in a situation where discussions would happen
I dont know whats in his contract language but even if he did its not necessarily a breach and certainly not one that would necessarily be able to void a contract. The NFLPA doesnt fight for players often but would fight this one with how much guaranteed money is left. Usually when teams force some sort of buy out the player had been seeing some sort of rehab facility that isnt approved or their own doctors type thing like what happened with the Yankees and Ellsbury. He still got money in the buyout even though he used unapproved medical facilities
Ahh ok
the dynamics of these contracts are crazy
Some of the language really does get crazy. Madison Bumgarner secretly competing in rodeos and Jeff Kent not being allowed to ride motorcycles come to mind. Both got hurt but nothing really happened. It gets super complicated when the money is guaranteed. Historically the NFL has had more leeway to get out of contracts with all the money that wasnt guaranteed. In Watsons case as long as his agents did a good job on the contract it will be hard for them to get out of it since it is guaranteed.
@erikthredd, what I'm proposing is what the Browns have already done, very successfully, before.
Up through 2016 Cleveland was trying to find their "franchise QB" and were having dismal results. They stockpiled Draft Picks through some very wise front office moves and then had a few very poor seasons on the field. Those poor seasons resulted in two back-to-back 1st overall picks in the Draft: they chose Myles Garrett in 2017 and Baker Mayfield in 2018, Also, with the 35th pick in 2018 they took Nick Chubb. Those three picks turned the franchise around until Mayfield was injured and Haslam gave up on him.
I would add that during that time Haslam was hunting for his Head Coach: in his four seasons with the Browns I believe Baker Mayfield had 4-head Coaches and 5-Offensive Coordinators. The Head Coach has been settled on, Kevin Stefanski has been named Coach of the Year twice in four seasons, he just needs a consistent lineup and for the owner to stay in the Owners Box.
So fast-forward to the present day. The franchise is hamstrung but has an opportunity to experience some "Deja Vu" all over again by choosing Abdul Carter, aka Myles Garrett 2.0. It's 2017!!!
Let's face it, this is an average QB Class coming out in the Draft, that's why there's so much speculation about where Sanders will land. After Cam Ward, who seems the consensus Top Pick, it is entirely probable that the next QB taken will be somewhere around the 20th pick. There's just nobody worth risking the 2nd overall pick on. Cleveland has a "game Manager" on their roster, Nick Chubb will be healed and ready at some point, the OL is being retooled and the Receiving Corps that the Browns have is more then adequate. There roster as is should be able to compete and win 4-5 games.
It's really a no brainer: take perhaps the best overall athlete in the Draft, pick up another QB later and hope that next year's selection is better. Garrett and Carter together, JOK healed and a bolstered Defensive Backfield will alter the game plans of more than a few opponents, I really feel confident in thinking that.
Good write up and that seems like a solid plan moving forward. The main road block though could come in this part that you mentioned he just needs a consistent lineup and for the owner to stay in the Owners Box.
I've already mentioned that I hope the Browns take Carter there and not Sanders, if there's any hope for the Giants to pass up on Hunter it could be with the QB sitting there for the taking. 🤞Here's hoping NY bites.
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"The Carolina Panthers could be set to select Desmond Waston in the 2025 NFL Draft as the front office at the Bank of America Stadium plans to bring the heaviest player in the history of the sport to their field.
The 464lb defensive tackle will eclipse the record holder, Aaron Gibson, by around 50lbs and will weigh 99lbs more than the Philadelphia Eagles' monstrous 6ft 8in Jordan Mailata.
Not just heavy, the 21-year-old also clocks a solid 5.93 in the 40-yard dash as well as performing a 25-inch vertical jump whilst also adding 36 reps on the 225lb bench press, showing strength too."
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
And here we go lol
I was thinking the same thing. Sounds like Johnny Manziel all over
Jimmy has already shown that he can be suckered once with the Watson debacle, hopefully he won’t bite on this.
Deion definitely tried giving his best sell job to Jimmy and their GM at Colorado's Pro day yesterday.
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@erikthredd, I don't even know why they'd go unless there was still a slight chance Haslam wants the kid. That's really the only logical reason to show up for a workout unless it's all a diversion campaign to mess up the other teams' thinking. Either way, there will be a head explosion --- Deion's head if Shedeur slips down into the round 1-20's, @Maywood if Cleveland picks him.
I think that there's still a real chance that he ends up with NY @ 3 if Cleveland doesn't take him. I don't know who the guy is that took that picture that I posted in my last comment but he also posted this other tweet about the Giants brass talking with Shedeur. Could be legit or it could be total crap. 🤷♂️
https://x.com/realmaceblack/status/1908254090817159475
Eric
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It seems like the closer we get to the Draft the more hype comes out about certain players and the more intense the disinformation becomes. Right now there seems to be a big push about Travis Hunter and the various sites are trying to bring attention to themselves by proposing wild trade rumors.
It reminds me of a few years ago when the same thing happened with Bryce Young and CJ Stroud. It pushed Young to the top, which rhymes with FLOP, and Stroud sank to number two. It’s all very laughable to me.
The talk here seems to now be that Hunter is the new favorite being mocked to the Browns after Haslam personally went to the CU pro day and assuming the Giants go with Shedeur, Carter likely falls to NE. The plot literally changes with every turn of the news cycle.
Can we just fast forward to draft day so we no longer have to hear the draft "experts" keep pulling hot takes out their butts At least then we can make fun of their immediate draft grades lol.
Eric
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I get the feeling that picture was more Deion telling the Browns not to draft him unless theyre now worried he will really fall if they dont.
I also wouldnt be shocked if the Titans are just faking everyone out and go ahead and take Hunter at 1
Wisconsin 2-6 against the SEC since 2007
For what'it's worth.............
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
No way the Browns are that lucky
not with all that money on the table...
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
How many times have we ever heard an owner of a pro sports team state publically that trading for you was a big swing & miss while the player was still on the team lol?
"Hey Guys, I'm literally still in the room" - Deshaun Watson
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What's Watson owed, $93million?? Maybe they made him a buyout offer and he took it. Also, it wouldn't surprise me to hear that his achilles is still injured and not responding to treatment.
@Maywood This article does a good job of explaining Watson's contract situation.
https://football.realgm.com/wiretap/52784/Deshaun-Watson-Browns-Locked-In-By-Contract-Amid-Uncertain-NFL-Future
Here's a piece of it...
Watson, who turns 30 in September, is owed $46 million in each of the next two seasons with $173 million in cap hits remaining on his contract. Cleveland has already restructured his deal multiple times, most recently in March, pushing cap charges into future years.
Parting ways with Watson this offseason would place the entirety of his remaining contract as dead money on the 2025 salary cap, making roster construction nearly impossible. The $173 million dead cap charge would more than double the NFL record set by the Denver Broncos when they released Russell Wilson in March 2024.
If his overall dead cap charge is at 173M then I'm guessing that your 93M might just be what it would cost Cleveland on the 2025 cap alone. There's probably going to be a large chunk of future dead cap money still owed after that.
Haslam was right though, he did swing & miss hard, but at least Browns fans know that he went down swinging with the hope of getting better. The owner here won't even swing at all but that might be because there's likely a height requirement to even step into the batter's box.
Eric
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I would t be surprised if they found him in breach of his contract as far as following treatment protocols, I read that there were rumors about Watson not wearing his walking boot and potentially was to blame in his Achilles not healing properly
I'm not saying it's true or false just what I read, they might have something on him and might be a deal being hacked out who knows
With all thew cap space BS it appears that this dud has not only ruined the team for two seasons as an active player but once he's gone he will still be a shadow over the team and affect the roster.
If that isn't enough for Haslam to stop playing GM and follow the @Maywood prescription of "Draft Carter" than it's hopeless and they might as well burn down the franchise.
They might be attempting to put that narrative out there in an attempt to void his contract but it wont work. They wouldnt be the first team to try that for a player.
Wisconsin 2-6 against the SEC since 2007
What are they gonna do on offense? Between not having a good young QB in the pipeline and your star RB that's been devastated by injuries in recent years who isn't even under contract, not going with someone on offense would make an extremely hopeless siuation look even worse. Pats fans have seen what a very good defense/very bad offense looks like in recent years and its ugly. Really ugly. People keep talking about a Cousins trade to the Browns but you still wouldn't have that young QB which would cost at least one more pick.
Carter & Garrett seem like they'd be an entertaining duo and may break Burrow at some point but are they catching Lamar Jackson?
Eric
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Well if he breached his contract and it's real then they would be in a situation where discussions would happen
I dont know whats in his contract language but even if he did its not necessarily a breach and certainly not one that would necessarily be able to void a contract. The NFLPA doesnt fight for players often but would fight this one with how much guaranteed money is left. Usually when teams force some sort of buy out the player had been seeing some sort of rehab facility that isnt approved or their own doctors type thing like what happened with the Yankees and Ellsbury. He still got money in the buyout even though he used unapproved medical facilities
Wisconsin 2-6 against the SEC since 2007
Ahh ok
the dynamics of these contracts are crazy
Some of the language really does get crazy. Madison Bumgarner secretly competing in rodeos and Jeff Kent not being allowed to ride motorcycles come to mind. Both got hurt but nothing really happened. It gets super complicated when the money is guaranteed. Historically the NFL has had more leeway to get out of contracts with all the money that wasnt guaranteed. In Watsons case as long as his agents did a good job on the contract it will be hard for them to get out of it since it is guaranteed.
Wisconsin 2-6 against the SEC since 2007
@erikthredd, what I'm proposing is what the Browns have already done, very successfully, before.
Up through 2016 Cleveland was trying to find their "franchise QB" and were having dismal results. They stockpiled Draft Picks through some very wise front office moves and then had a few very poor seasons on the field. Those poor seasons resulted in two back-to-back 1st overall picks in the Draft: they chose Myles Garrett in 2017 and Baker Mayfield in 2018, Also, with the 35th pick in 2018 they took Nick Chubb. Those three picks turned the franchise around until Mayfield was injured and Haslam gave up on him.
I would add that during that time Haslam was hunting for his Head Coach: in his four seasons with the Browns I believe Baker Mayfield had 4-head Coaches and 5-Offensive Coordinators. The Head Coach has been settled on, Kevin Stefanski has been named Coach of the Year twice in four seasons, he just needs a consistent lineup and for the owner to stay in the Owners Box.
So fast-forward to the present day. The franchise is hamstrung but has an opportunity to experience some "Deja Vu" all over again by choosing Abdul Carter, aka Myles Garrett 2.0. It's 2017!!!
Let's face it, this is an average QB Class coming out in the Draft, that's why there's so much speculation about where Sanders will land. After Cam Ward, who seems the consensus Top Pick, it is entirely probable that the next QB taken will be somewhere around the 20th pick. There's just nobody worth risking the 2nd overall pick on. Cleveland has a "game Manager" on their roster, Nick Chubb will be healed and ready at some point, the OL is being retooled and the Receiving Corps that the Browns have is more then adequate. There roster as is should be able to compete and win 4-5 games.
It's really a no brainer: take perhaps the best overall athlete in the Draft, pick up another QB later and hope that next year's selection is better. Garrett and Carter together, JOK healed and a bolstered Defensive Backfield will alter the game plans of more than a few opponents, I really feel confident in thinking that.
Good write up and that seems like a solid plan moving forward. The main road block though could come in this part that you mentioned he just needs a consistent lineup and for the owner to stay in the Owners Box.
I've already mentioned that I hope the Browns take Carter there and not Sanders, if there's any hope for the Giants to pass up on Hunter it could be with the QB sitting there for the taking. 🤞Here's hoping NY bites.
Eric
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