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  • privatecoin
    privatecoin Posts: 3,853 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    PR64

    Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc

  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Now that was easy for you Ken! You’re up.

  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Copperindian said:
    PR63. PCGS policy to grade all 1856 FE’s as PR means to me that this MS piece is not accurately graded. Moreover, ones that were correctly graded as MS before their policy change keep increasing in value.

    So kinda I was right.

  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Copperindian said:
    PR63. PCGS policy to grade all 1856 FE’s as PR means to me that this MS piece is not accurately graded. Moreover, ones that were correctly graded as MS before their policy change keep increasing in value.

    So Ken. Do you think this FE is mint state as opposed to being a proof? You know I value your opinion as an expert on the subject and respect any words of wisdom you can shed in helping me determine what this actually is. I know a number of dies were used for both unc. and proof strikes. Thanks, Zack.

  • Copperindian
    Copperindian Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @jfriedm56:
    Zack - I think that’s absolutely MS. It’s kind of a shame that they instituted this “all PR” as a policy decision. I seem to recall the graders were having some difficulty grading MS vs PR.
    I heard but haven’t verified CACG was going to grade MS when warranted.
    Ken
    @Coinscratch: I’m going to defer the next coin up to you. I believe your MS63 guess is technically correct. I only said PR63 because I was aware of their policy change.

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  • alaura22
    alaura22 Posts: 3,963 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Copperindian said:
    @jfriedm56:
    Zack - I think that’s absolutely MS. It’s kind of a shame that they instituted this “all PR” as a policy decision. I seem to recall the graders were having some difficulty grading MS vs PR.
    I heard but haven’t verified CACG was going to grade MS when warranted.
    Ken

    Ken, thanks for clearing that up on PR vs MS. on 1856 FE
    A few of my sets still require a MS coin and with only 306 coins graded as MS vs 1016 coins in PR makes it real hard to find one that is CORRECTLY graded

  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Copperindian said:
    @jfriedm56:
    Zack - I think that’s absolutely MS. It’s kind of a shame that they instituted this “all PR” as a policy decision. I seem to recall the graders were having some difficulty grading MS vs PR.
    I heard but haven’t verified CACG was going to grade MS when warranted.
    Ken
    @Coinscratch: I’m going to defer the next coin up to you. I believe your MS63 guess is technically correct. I only said PR63 because I was aware of their policy change.

    @Copperindian said:
    @jfriedm56:
    Zack - I think that’s absolutely MS. It’s kind of a shame that they instituted this “all PR” as a policy decision. I seem to recall the graders were having some difficulty grading MS vs PR.
    I heard but haven’t verified CACG was going to grade MS when warranted.
    Ken
    @Coinscratch: I’m going to defer the next coin up to you. I believe your MS63 guess is technically correct. I only said PR63 because I was aware of their policy change.

    Ken thank you so much for your thoughts concerning my question on whether the coin pictured is a proof or business strike. I always wondered since I didn’t really see much if any mirrors in the “proof “ surfaces. I know the S-3 die marriage is pretty rare and was part of the original 1856 coinage struck for congressional approval, but are all the business strikes rare? Thanks Zack,

  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Thank you Ken! I'm so glad it wasn't a 58.


  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS66+

  • PickinndGrinnin
    PickinndGrinnin Posts: 236 ✭✭✭
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    Nice early die stage. MS67

  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @PickinndGrinnin said:
    Nice early die stage. MS67

    Good call! This is one in my box of 20 going back for reconsideration.

  • PickinndGrinnin
    PickinndGrinnin Posts: 236 ✭✭✭
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    Give me a minute. let me see what I can find. Trying to keep up with the Jones's right.
    I have really enjoyed the last coins posted.

  • PickinndGrinnin
    PickinndGrinnin Posts: 236 ✭✭✭
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    Lets go with another 72'

  • alaura22
    alaura22 Posts: 3,963 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-66

  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS67

  • relicsncoins
    relicsncoins Posts: 8,301 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS65 old ANA/ANACS holder.

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  • Clackamas1
    Clackamas1 Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS66

  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Only one left is MS64

  • PickinndGrinnin
    PickinndGrinnin Posts: 236 ✭✭✭
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    Glad someone finally got it, I am off to Vegas in an hour.
    At MS64 it was hard to pass up, ANA was very conservative with this one compared to the market today.
    @jfriedm56

  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    A little twist to this one. Two parts, guess the grade, AND the BG number. Might be easy or difficult.

  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No guesses? Surely someone can take a stab at it. If you don’t want to guess the BG number we can just go for the grade.

  • alaura22
    alaura22 Posts: 3,963 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Calling @MrSpud ..............

  • Clackamas1
    Clackamas1 Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @jfriedm56 said:
    No guesses? Surely someone can take a stab at it. If you don’t want to guess the BG number we can just go for the grade.

    58

  • Shurke
    Shurke Posts: 782 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Tough one. PCGS doesn’t even have a Photograde for California fractionals.

    61?

  • relicsncoins
    relicsncoins Posts: 8,301 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    63

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  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Good choices. We’re getting closer, but remember, these were very crudely struck by many inexperienced individuals. Best they could do in a short amount of time to help get gold coins into commerce.

  • Copperindian
    Copperindian Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS64

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  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AU for gold 53.

  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    And the winner is Ken, @Copperindian. And for those who wanted to know, it’s a BG-104. Octagonal planchet with 4 stars.

  • Copperindian
    Copperindian Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    WOW coin Zack! (@jfriedm56)! I hope I have one here:


    This one’s a Sunday layup!

    “The thrill of the hunt never gets old”

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  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    PR64 RB

  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    PR65 Brown

  • Clackamas1
    Clackamas1 Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    66BN

  • alaura22
    alaura22 Posts: 3,963 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Clackamas1 said:
    66BN

    Can't win with that grade.................... :o

  • Clackamas1
    Clackamas1 Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    66BN> @alaura22 said:

    @Clackamas1 said:
    66BN

    Can't win with that grade.................... :o

    PCGS will BN toned coins. PF66BN. I can't tell if its a proof since that year comes well struck and plentiful in GEM

  • alaura22
    alaura22 Posts: 3,963 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Clackamas1 said:
    66BN> @alaura22 said:

    @Clackamas1 said:
    66BN

    Can't win with that grade.................... :o

    PCGS will BN toned coins. PF66BN. I can't tell if its a proof since that year comes well struck and plentiful in GEM

    Ok, if you won't say it I will
    PR66BN

  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS66BR

  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS 65 BN

  • marcmoish
    marcmoish Posts: 6,937 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    65+ RB

  • relicsncoins
    relicsncoins Posts: 8,301 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS65+BN. I can't imagine that is a proof with the lack of feather tip detail.

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  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @relicsncoins, after a 2nd look, the lack of stronger feather details led me to the same conclusion. I believe it is MS now also.

  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    A different direction. AU58.

  • Clackamas1
    Clackamas1 Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS66BN

  • Copperindian
    Copperindian Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    OK, almost 2 days & no one guessed it:

    “The thrill of the hunt never gets old”

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  • Copperindian
    Copperindian Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Let’s try this one in my field of specialty:


    “The thrill of the hunt never gets old”

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  • Shurke
    Shurke Posts: 782 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS63.

  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS64 LL

  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS64 LL

  • Copperindian
    Copperindian Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Uh oh - we have a tie:


    @Coinscratch & @jfriedm56 BOTH show the correct answer @ 10:53 AM. OP - do we need a tiebreaker?

    “The thrill of the hunt never gets old”

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  • Torey
    Torey Posts: 410 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Beautiful Eagle @Copperindian
    Looks like @Coinscratch was first even if by mere seconds.

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