@Copperindian said:
PR63. PCGS policy to grade all 1856 FE’s as PR means to me that this MS piece is not accurately graded. Moreover, ones that were correctly graded as MS before their policy change keep increasing in value.
@Copperindian said:
PR63. PCGS policy to grade all 1856 FE’s as PR means to me that this MS piece is not accurately graded. Moreover, ones that were correctly graded as MS before their policy change keep increasing in value.
So Ken. Do you think this FE is mint state as opposed to being a proof? You know I value your opinion as an expert on the subject and respect any words of wisdom you can shed in helping me determine what this actually is. I know a number of dies were used for both unc. and proof strikes. Thanks, Zack.
@jfriedm56:
Zack - I think that’s absolutely MS. It’s kind of a shame that they instituted this “all PR” as a policy decision. I seem to recall the graders were having some difficulty grading MS vs PR.
I heard but haven’t verified CACG was going to grade MS when warranted.
Ken @Coinscratch: I’m going to defer the next coin up to you. I believe your MS63 guess is technically correct. I only said PR63 because I was aware of their policy change.
@Copperindian said: @jfriedm56:
Zack - I think that’s absolutely MS. It’s kind of a shame that they instituted this “all PR” as a policy decision. I seem to recall the graders were having some difficulty grading MS vs PR.
I heard but haven’t verified CACG was going to grade MS when warranted.
Ken
Ken, thanks for clearing that up on PR vs MS. on 1856 FE
A few of my sets still require a MS coin and with only 306 coins graded as MS vs 1016 coins in PR makes it real hard to find one that is CORRECTLY graded
@Copperindian said: @jfriedm56:
Zack - I think that’s absolutely MS. It’s kind of a shame that they instituted this “all PR” as a policy decision. I seem to recall the graders were having some difficulty grading MS vs PR.
I heard but haven’t verified CACG was going to grade MS when warranted.
Ken @Coinscratch: I’m going to defer the next coin up to you. I believe your MS63 guess is technically correct. I only said PR63 because I was aware of their policy change.
@Copperindian said: @jfriedm56:
Zack - I think that’s absolutely MS. It’s kind of a shame that they instituted this “all PR” as a policy decision. I seem to recall the graders were having some difficulty grading MS vs PR.
I heard but haven’t verified CACG was going to grade MS when warranted.
Ken @Coinscratch: I’m going to defer the next coin up to you. I believe your MS63 guess is technically correct. I only said PR63 because I was aware of their policy change.
Ken thank you so much for your thoughts concerning my question on whether the coin pictured is a proof or business strike. I always wondered since I didn’t really see much if any mirrors in the “proof “ surfaces. I know the S-3 die marriage is pretty rare and was part of the original 1856 coinage struck for congressional approval, but are all the business strikes rare? Thanks Zack,
Glad someone finally got it, I am off to Vegas in an hour.
At MS64 it was hard to pass up, ANA was very conservative with this one compared to the market today. @jfriedm56
Good choices. We’re getting closer, but remember, these were very crudely struck by many inexperienced individuals. Best they could do in a short amount of time to help get gold coins into commerce.
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Now that was easy for you Ken! You’re up.
So kinda I was right.
So Ken. Do you think this FE is mint state as opposed to being a proof? You know I value your opinion as an expert on the subject and respect any words of wisdom you can shed in helping me determine what this actually is. I know a number of dies were used for both unc. and proof strikes. Thanks, Zack.
@jfriedm56:
Zack - I think that’s absolutely MS. It’s kind of a shame that they instituted this “all PR” as a policy decision. I seem to recall the graders were having some difficulty grading MS vs PR.
I heard but haven’t verified CACG was going to grade MS when warranted.
Ken
@Coinscratch: I’m going to defer the next coin up to you. I believe your MS63 guess is technically correct. I only said PR63 because I was aware of their policy change.
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Ken, thanks for clearing that up on PR vs MS. on 1856 FE
A few of my sets still require a MS coin and with only 306 coins graded as MS vs 1016 coins in PR makes it real hard to find one that is CORRECTLY graded
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Ken thank you so much for your thoughts concerning my question on whether the coin pictured is a proof or business strike. I always wondered since I didn’t really see much if any mirrors in the “proof “ surfaces. I know the S-3 die marriage is pretty rare and was part of the original 1856 coinage struck for congressional approval, but are all the business strikes rare? Thanks Zack,
Thank you Ken! I'm so glad it wasn't a 58.
MS66+
Nice early die stage. MS67
Good call! This is one in my box of 20 going back for reconsideration.
Give me a minute. let me see what I can find. Trying to keep up with the Jones's right.
I have really enjoyed the last coins posted.
Lets go with another 72'
MS-66
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MS65 old ANA/ANACS holder.
MS66
Only one left is MS64
Glad someone finally got it, I am off to Vegas in an hour.
At MS64 it was hard to pass up, ANA was very conservative with this one compared to the market today.
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A little twist to this one. Two parts, guess the grade, AND the BG number. Might be easy or difficult.
No guesses? Surely someone can take a stab at it. If you don’t want to guess the BG number we can just go for the grade.
Calling @MrSpud ..............
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58
Tough one. PCGS doesn’t even have a Photograde for California fractionals.
61?
63
Good choices. We’re getting closer, but remember, these were very crudely struck by many inexperienced individuals. Best they could do in a short amount of time to help get gold coins into commerce.
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AU for gold 53.
And the winner is Ken, @Copperindian. And for those who wanted to know, it’s a BG-104. Octagonal planchet with 4 stars.
WOW coin Zack! (@jfriedm56)! I hope I have one here:
This one’s a Sunday layup!
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PR64 RB
PR65 Brown
66BN
Can't win with that grade....................
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66BN> @alaura22 said:
PCGS will BN toned coins. PF66BN. I can't tell if its a proof since that year comes well struck and plentiful in GEM
Ok, if you won't say it I will
PR66BN
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MS65+BN. I can't imagine that is a proof with the lack of feather tip detail.
@relicsncoins, after a 2nd look, the lack of stronger feather details led me to the same conclusion. I believe it is MS now also.
A different direction. AU58.
MS66BN
OK, almost 2 days & no one guessed it:
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Let’s try this one in my field of specialty:
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MS63.
MS64 LL
MS64 LL
Uh oh - we have a tie:
@Coinscratch & @jfriedm56 BOTH show the correct answer @ 10:53 AM. OP - do we need a tiebreaker?
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Beautiful Eagle @Copperindian
Looks like @Coinscratch was first even if by mere seconds.
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