1831 CBH -- need help grading
What do you think this raw Capped Bust Half would grade? All opinions welcome.
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AU 55
Just because I'm old doesn't mean I don't love to look at a pretty bust.4 -
Yeah what he said
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I agree with the AU55 and possibly an O-110, JMO
Jim
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AU53, possibly cleaned.
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FWIW, here's a short video...
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AU58. Very nice.
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AU55
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The way the light moves in the video makes me think it was cleaned, but assuming it straight grades I would be at 55 on that one. It might make 58 on a good day.
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55 was my first thought
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Before I saw the video I was thinking AU55. But after I saw it, my guess changed to AU details, cleaned.
When making videos, I suggest that you tilt and rotate the coin a bit more slowly and keep the movements more consistent.Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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Didn't look at the video, but I without that I am in the AU55 camp, although the picture looks grainy so maybe something in the video is telling people something I don't see from the image alone.
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In the video the coin looks "shine-y" rather than lustrous if that makes any sense. I'm going with "cleaned'.
jom
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AU-55!!!
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Thanks to all for responding.
Long-story-short: I'm buying the coin from my Aunt but she doesn't want to send it for grading. Glad to see there's an AU concensus here, so I can arrive at a fair offer.
Longer story: This coin has been in my family for a VERY long time, I'm guessing 100 years, maybe decades longer. I recall seeing it for the first time as a child visiting my Grandmother. I was fascinated by its age & condition. Never forgot it.
Fast forward 60+ years: Recently I'm helping my Aunt sort through her inherited coin collection (mostly lots & lots of circulated silver) and we come across some neatly-bundled well-protected bust half dollars in 2x2 cardboard/mylar flips.
I immediately recognized the coin I'd seen so long ago. Very exciting!
I know my Aunt wants to keep the collection in the family -- especially the dozen or so heirloom-quality coins. Hopefully we can reach an agreement soon.
Thanks again to everyone for your comments.
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@jesbroken said:
I agree with the AU55 and possibly an O-110, JMO
JimLooks like O-110 (R.2) to me too.
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Several comments suggested maybe this coin was cleaned.
In hand, it doesn't look cleaned to me. But I can see that my photo/video/lighting might suggest otherwise.
Anyway, Grandma was adamant about NOT cleaning coins. She insisted on keeping 'em in as-acquired condition. I took that advice to heart.
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If y'all found more bust half dollars, we would love to see those too!
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@COCollector said:
Several comments suggested maybe this coin was cleaned.In hand, it doesn't look cleaned to me. But I can see that my photo/video/lighting might suggest otherwise.
Anyway, Grandma was adamant about NOT cleaning coins. She insisted on keeping 'em in as-acquired condition. I took that advice to heart.
Grandma might have been adamant about not cleaning coins, but the coin might have been cleaned prior to its ownership by your family.
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@MFeld said:
@COCollector said:
Several comments suggested maybe this coin was cleaned.In hand, it doesn't look cleaned to me. But I can see that my photo/video/lighting might suggest otherwise.
Anyway, Grandma was adamant about NOT cleaning coins. She insisted on keeping 'em in as-acquired condition. I took that advice to heart.
Grandma might have been adamant about not cleaning coins, but the coin might have been cleaned prior to its ownership by your family.
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Agreed, that's entirely possible.I'm taking the coin to the Long Beach Show this week. Hopefully I can get some in-hand opinions about whether it'll straight-grade or not.
In any case, after I take ownership, I plan to submit it to PCGS.
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@jacrispies said:
If y'all found more bust half dollars, we would love to see those too!.
I'll post photos after we finalize a deal and I get the coins home to my "photo studio"...
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AU 55
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Enjoyed reading the back story! I'm thinking AU53. Please share opinions you get at Long Beach, when you can.
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Definitely wiped but I could see that straight grade, in other words I have seen worse.
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Strong AU details but cleaned (and I did not watch the video). Whenever I see that overly frosted look, I start with the assumption the coin has likely been baking-soda cleaned.
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I showed the coin to two knowledgeable (and two admittedly not-so-knowledgeable) folks at the Long Beach Show yesterday. Everyone agreed it's a nice solid AU.
Upon close inspection, the knowledgeable folks said it was likely dipped/wiped long ago.
Maybe market-acceptable today, so maybe it'd straight-grade... but no one I spoke with would be surprised by a details grade.
I'd hate to see it in a details slab.
Anyway, it's a pretty common variety (R.2) and high mintage (5,873,660). And as a family heirloom, it'll spend the rest of my life in a safe deposit box.
So for now, it stays raw.
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XF53 dipped long ago, refined and stored/preserved nicely over the years.
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