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its been in post graded processing for 2 days, but they don't grade the 1975 tcma memphis gary carter any longer, which i found weird. they have graded 21 in the past. anyone know if psa still grades them?
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got the grades today. mixed bag, total 150.
about 15 came back worse than i thought, more than a grade.
most came back like i thought and a few were a little better.
if i knew it had a flaw, the grade came back just as thought. if i thought it was a 9 it can back lower. lol!!!
the highlights:
3 10's 1987 topps uk rice pop 1, 1987 topps uk montana pop 3, 1992 fleer 7/11 frank thomas pop 1
1985 mcmichael psa 9 pop 2 no 10's
several nice nolan ryan's from the 70's. overall decent.
Great to hear. Congratulations.
How was the breakdown on the 70s?
it looks like they have a hard time going above an 8. I was surprised by my Nolan Ryan grades. 1976 8 (one soft corner, was hoping for a 7.5), 1973 6.5 (picked up on ebay for $20, one bad corner, but great centering. I thought i might get a 6), 1975 mini 7 and 1975 regular 7.5 (top left corner not great and the card was a little light colored but perfect centering, was hoping for 6.5). Most of the 70's were 7's, 7.5 and 8. I have many pop 1's because I sent in a few OPC.
the best grades from the 70's of other cards:
1975 opc griffey sgc 8 - pop 1 none higher
1975 pete rose sgc 8
1975 carl y sgc 8.5
1974 rose sgc 8
1973 reggie sgc 8
1973 reggie opc 7.5 (tough)
1971 garvey sgc 7 - liked that one
1971 simmons 6.5
1969 nettles opc sgc 7
1972 rose sgc 7
1974 tanana sgc 9
1974 parker sgc 8 - !!!
1974 winfield 7.5
1980 & 1981 walter payton sgc 9
1972 stargell sgc 8
1975 morgan sgc 8
1974 marichal 8.5
1975 carew sgc 8
1974 carew opc 7.5 (really awesome!!)
1975 parker sgc 8.5
1975 dwight evans opc 8.5 (!!!)
1975 seaver opc sgc 8
Those are pretty great grades. Congrats.
On a scale of 1 - 10 I was about an 8. Not bad.
Congrats. I was contemplating that 1987 Topps American UK set and wondering how they would be graded, whether PSA or SGC would be the best option. Now I know SGC will still go Gem Mint on a 1987 star player so glad to hear that.
Just had a pack come in the mail yesterday. Neither of these seem like 10s but can continue to try. But maybe an SGC 9.5. Do like that possibility.
Seems like a cool set. Like the miniature size, the team logo, the card stock and some of these pics look cooler than the regular 1987 set.
i also received 2 9.5's elway and rice
Pretty good results! Congrats.
If the 1987 topps uk rice psa 10 is as hard to find in good condition as the regular issue that is a homerun!
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Pop 19 on PSA
POP 1 on SGC
It's tough to get 10's on SGC. They seem to like centered cards though for the vintage and give out "fairer" grades for those.
I sent in a Joe Montana (1987 uk) to PSA and they gave me a 5 because it had rough edges. I looked through ebay and they gave out 10's for several that had rough edges. Took it out sent it to SGC and got a 10. It looks like a 10 to me. The rough cut should be a factor in the grade, in my opinion. But it didn't used to be for PSA.
Long and short of it is PSA got really big and has had thousands of different graders through the years. SGC is smaller and probably has many of the same crew grading (i.e. more consistent).
But as you can see, SGC makes it tough to get a 10. I have sent in a Rice card in each of my last two gradings and got a 9.5 and a 10. both are pop 1's.
The 1987 rack pack card of rice and this card are very very hard to get in 10's and should be exceptionally higher in price.
"1975" TCMAs are actually from 1976. They were also heavily reprinted. I would imagine one or both of those is the reason why SGC is no longer grading them.
so psa doesn't grade them any longer? i have several they graded in the past. i graded them myself.
I'm not sure.
I was happy with this recent order
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wow nice grades.
OMG on the Cobb
Thanks @Groo there is a red background on its way back to me that also earned a 5
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Congrats on some amazing T206s. Those are sharp.
got my grades today. very mixed bag. anything older than 1978, 7's were as high as you can get. 1981's all 7's and 8's. opc's got killed. apparently the rough cut is a huge issue. got 3's on more than one. they look like 9's to me. days on the rough cut look gone.
cut a bunch out of psa holders. none graded lower, some the same, some turned out great. from 1981 and older i couldn't get an 8. thus they are mostly worth zilch. i got a 7 on a 1958 and an 8 on a 1964, then get a 6 on a perfectly centered jim zorn rookie. kind of lost on whats going on. my last 70's order i did very well. now that parker is in the hall, you get 5's and 6's, right before he got in the hall i got an 8, and it was worst one, print dots -- good centering but not perfect. last 2 perfect centering -- got 7's.
highlights:
1989 b tiffany nolan ryan 10
1992 barry sanders gold 10
1992 fleer jordan 10
1989 b tiffany bo 9.5
1975 ryan psa 7.5
and few more decent ones. overall i feel like i got a 6 out of 10 grading.
sent dec 31 got grades today.
The grading scale for pre 1980 starts at an 8 now. If it's perfect you can get an 8. Any defects drops to a 7.
That’s a bummer. I really hoped time would get them to be a bit more sensitive to vintage but it seems like they’re doubling down.
There’s no joy in being a vintage submitter anymore.
PSA still grades it I believe. Unfortunately, the 1975 TCMA International League All Star set with the Carter has been known to have been "reprinted". Likely why SGC won't grade it anymore. Back in the very late 80's to very early 90's, as is still the case, Rookie cards were the rage and then collectors realized that minor league cards existed and loved that they undercut the Rookie Cards as even earlier, and there was a price explosion and cards like the 1983 Fritsch Puckett, The 1984 TCMA Clemens, the 1975 Gary Carter, The 1982 TCMA Gwynn, the 1979 TCMA Henderson, the 1981 Arbys Mattingly were all going for big bucks raw. As much as $300 raw back then. Unfortunately, unscrupulous people "reprinted" some of these. The standard catalog of minor league baseball cards even calls out that the 1975 TCMA IL AS set and the 1981 Arbys Nashville set as being reprinted. Thankfully whomever reprinted the 1984 TCMA Clemens screwed up the W in Pawtucket so they are easy to spot and will not get graded. Without any proof other than using logic, so take with a grain of salt, I also think the 1979 Henderson was reprinted too, but it is just my humble speculative hunch, as for years there was an ebay seller donald.i.harrison, who was coincidentally the name of the person that supposedly bought out all of remaining TCMA inventory from TCMA, was selling raw 1979 Odgen team sets for years, must have sold over 100 of them easily. Maybe they knew Henderson was going to be great and TCMA kept a lot on hand or maybe someone reprinted them, we will likely never know. But the numbers on the number of TCMA graded stars compared to the semi-stars and fan favorites doesn't make sense. It's also my opinion that the 1983 Fritsch set with the Pucket was reprinted as there were many fresh sets available for purchase on ebay for many years as well. Being a collector of minor league cards, I'd love to set a penalty of cutting off the nuts of whomever reprints cards defrauding collectors, but it is what it is. Similarly, the stars of the that same timeframe in the 1986 Procards minor league sets (Maddux, Randy Johnson, even David Justice when he was huge, etc.) have been reprinted, and some made it into slabs, but if you know what to look for, you can spot them easily as that font on the front and the font of the 1986 copyright year on the back is different on the reprints. Also that 1982 Anchorage Mark McGwire was actually put out a few years later (doesn't even have a team set, just a Casey Candale to try and make it look like it came from a set) and the 1986 Memphis Bo Jackson where there is no set I am sure was also put out later all due to that boom in minor league cards along with the explosion in his popularity, The Timeout silver and gold team sets with him sitting down with the goofy grin was the true 1986 Memphis issue. Same for that old time style 1982 black and white Mattingly card with his glove up in the air was also printed later, People who bought these years later don't like when I say these things but I used to go to card shows weekly back at that time and was a minor league card collector even then and these cards were nowhere to be found in their respective year of issue, or even a few years after their supposed issue, but miraculously popped up during this minor league boom of the late 80's early 90s. Just like the 1982 McGwire miraculously appeared out of nowhere when the Sosa/McGwire HR race was roaring. If it was rare, there would have been at most 25 of them popping up, but hundreds and hundreds popped up out of nowhere and in an instant, years after the fact, I have a bridge to sell you if you believe it was from 1982.
Can we see scans? I really love those 92 Golds all 4 sports using the same design and that same parallel.
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Pics would be great!! Sorry about your results.
Brad is was ok. Just disappointed in all the 3's I got. the cards do not look like 3's. I have a 2 mantle that has no sharp corner and is bent in half. These cards look like 8's. Just to view them.
all of these but the wagner are in my latest order. wasn't happy about any of them . The wagner is on ebay for sale -- he will be getting into the hall ext week. HINT HINT WINK WINK.
Those are some nice looking cards. Should have gotten much better grades.
the two 1973 opc's just floor me. i have 6's that look much worse heck maybe even 7's.
Those are the best 3s I’ve ever seen. Crazy low.
What has happened to grading these days?
no idea. the opc do have a slight cut on the edges -- 1973 white and kaline -- they must be grading the cut tough
The criminally underrated Roy White looks like an 8, SKaline looks like a 7 to my eyes.
Yet I got a 3 on this in Nov - it's what a 3 is supposed to look like.
Even Tony The Tiger said - THOSE CARDS LOOK GRRRRRRREAT
How are the backs on the 73s?
Yup, the graded the rough cuts as chipping on the black backs. Any other year would have probably not been graded as harshly.
The Roy White is the most egregious grade of the grouping, imho.
I could only surmise it has some type of surface wrinkle not present.
That said, PSA & SGC are grading vintage 1 to 2+ grades lower than they used to grade them. It doe NOT represent the Beckett catalog standards used in the past. They changed the standards. Why is the question?
Erik
Seems they are only grading what should be 7-10 on vintage lower, but 6's and below are judged at the correct standard. Take the 33 Bill Dickey posted above, I agree it's a 3 and totally looks the part. The Roy White and Kaline were reduced from what should be 7 or 8 to a 3.
Some serious cognitive dissonance going on at PSA and now sadly occurring at SGC
P.S. Yep Roy White is criminally underrated as Groo mentioned. He played 7 full seasons less and still had 20% higher WAR than Two Time Convicted Felony Drunk (USA Public Record) Tony Larussa's favorite player Harold Baines!
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I think the reason grades are lower MIGHT be due to grader performance evaluations penalizing graders for giving out too high of grades while I do not know if this is the reason but I send in hand picked 8-10 grade common 70's cards and get like a bunch of 5's and 6's when in the past would be mostly 8's and 9's...been grading cards for 30 + years and I pretty sure my standards haven't changed
Agree 100% and that RW is seriously under appreciated as a player. Dude could play.
So, ifPSA (and now SGC?!) are basically doing all they can to discourage vintage collectors from grading where do we go?
I sent some recently from the fall specials, just got the grades released and will NEVER send to PSA again. I’m done. I wouldn’t send to them again if it was free based on how they’ve changed.
^ yeah its not clear why.
SGC's bread and butter is Vintage so makes zero sense not to stick to their defined parameters.
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If they're starting to ding the backs of the 73 OPC's for chipping, we may never see another 8
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