Your thoughts on this toned Peace Dollar I'd like to purchase...
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I'm considering a purchase of this Peace dollar and I'd appreciate any thoughts ahead of pulling the trigger on it. I'm a fan of toning on silver dollars, and understand the differences in toning appearance between Morgan & Peace coins. I like the gunmetal look that certain Peace dollars acquire and I think this one qualifies.
I feel like the TV pictures are a bit juiced, part of the more recent crop of images PCGS is producing. However, the coin is a CAC MS66+ and images of the slab from the seller still show a decent looking coin. I guess my concern is with the newer imaging coming from TV, I want some assurance that I'm getting what I'm paying for, and that the TV image approximates what the coin should look like. Your thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!
TrueView Image:
Seller's Images
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For me, it has zero eye appeal.
But that's just me.
May I ask, specifically, what you mean by zero eye appeal?
Could you be more specific, with the understanding that not having the coin in hand while looking at internet images is not the most ideal way to see a coin.
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and that the TV image approximates what the coin should look like.
The TV looks like the usual puke yellow problem with the white balance that has been a problem for a while now. So I would not trust the TV to be representative at all of what the coin will look like in hand. Unfortunately, the sellers' photos are not very good either. There is some color, but what that color looks really looks like is hard to say. Have you asked the seller for additional images to show the toning better? Lacking any further info or photos If you have a return privilege, and with the assurance of a green bean, it seems worth it to see it in hand and then decide.
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The cheek looks clean. I don't consider it to be truly nice for a 66+ cac based on the pics. I'm betting that toning is a darker "greasy" look in hand.
Legend sold a nicer one in 2023 for almost 1k less. If you really like the coin, call the dealer and have a conversation to make a deal.
If you like it and you can live with the price buy it.
It looks like a nice coin to me.
Milky, cloudy surfaces that mute the lustre to the point of making the coin look "dead".
I don't collect Peace dollars, but even I know this date is abundant in high grades and some are very pretty. This coin isn't one of them. But that's just me.
I'm more interested in knowing how it got 66+ with what looks to be rim damage on the reverse based on the TV images. As to the eye appeal of the toning... hard to definitively know how it looks in hand but even if as colorful as shown in the TVs, for me it's OK, but not awesome. And for me to want it at any significant premium it has to be the latter. YMMV
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To me that's neutral toning. It neither adds nor subtracts from the eye appeal.
For a MS 66 CAC, it just doesn't impress- based on those images.
The TV image is terrible and, from what I can interpret from both sets of images, the coin has negative eye appeal.
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That’s my thinking too based on all the photos. I wouldn’t necessarily trust the TrueView and I would not pay a premium above typical 66+CAC results. If looking for a nice toner, I would suggest to keep searching.
Meh, me thinks you are buying the grade and tpg and the sticker instead of the coin. Zero eye appeal, but great grade imo
With me being a Peace dollar collector, an expert by no means, I like my Peace dollars, "eye blinding" with luster and blast white. I have seen a similar toned Peace dollar, and it presented an array of yellows and golds. It was actually a nicely toned and attractive coin, one which I wouldn't have minded in my collection, albeit a first for me. I would need to see such a coin in my hand to make a decision, especially this coin. The search for nice Peace dollars and nicely, attractively toned dollars is few and far between, especially for a Cac'd stickered coin.
I don't personally like that one. You can get a really clean, superb GEM, punch you in the face, blinding luster example of this date with just a little bit of looking for not a crazy premium. Even if you're strictly into interesting or pleasant toning, pretty sure you could do better on this date with a little patience.
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Just guessing, but I’m thinking this image is more representative. I tweaked the color to make it less yellow and also adjusted the contrast a little to be less washed out looking
Here’s the original, for comparison
Mr_Spud
In that case, my inclination to pass just got stronger.
Thank you especially for the above comment (and to all the advice from everyone). I don't want to chase grades & stickers, but I am willing to upgrade to a 66+ when the coin has positive eye appeal. This coin is listed at the PCGS Coin Facts value/price and with no markup for the CAC sticker was the cause of my initial hesitation, along with the TV itself.
Also, thanks to @Mr_Spud for tweaking the TV. I think that image seals the deal for me. And yes, the rim ding on the reverse was another issue as well.
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Yeah, the rim ding and other marks on the rim are worse than the neutral eye appeal of the toning in my opinion. Someone already mentioned the rim ding and questioned how it could have graded so high, this was my first thought as well when I first viewed the coin images
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I think the images suggest a beautiful coin. My only reservation is I would want to either examine the coin in hand before purchasing or have a return privilege, as in my experience luster can not be reliably determined by a photograph, and at the lofty grade of MS66+, there should be luster in abundance.
There are plenty of really nice 1924 Philly coins. This one might be OK, but the BIG rim ding is already an issue at that grade for me. As far as the toning goes, I can see a scenario that might make it pretty nice, but I’m guessing it isn’t. I have very little ability to interpret these new TV images.
Did not care for either views. At any rate the bigger the purchase the more I would want to see in person the coin.
It is just not there enough for me to want invest in it. Perhaps a toner player might want it.
With both a plus grade and a CAC sticker I’m thinking there has to be some luster and eye appeal that aren’t showing up in the photos. But I see the rim ding now that people have mentioned it and I can’t unsee it. Yikes!
Remember the + is not approved by CAC. CAC only looks at if it is a 66 or not
I have several IKE dollars that are "toned" this way, but it's actually PVC damage. I hope this is different but in the photos, it looks identical to PVC damage.
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I love it! ………….
Just kidding. Looks meh in the photos. Keep searching. There are a lot of CAC 66 examples out there to consider.
I am late to the party, but here are my two cents.
I am obviously a huge fans of toned Peace Dollars. I am also a weird fan of 1924 Peace Dollars specifically.
They can have a unique luster that is different from the rest of the series.
When shopping 66+ 1924 Peace Dollars, you are generally looking to spend somewhere between $800-$1200.
My critique of the OP's Peace Dollar:
I think you will find better examples of '24 66+.
What’s going on with some of the obverse lettering?
I would pass. Particularly with what a PCGS/CAC 66+ would cost. The toning is neutral to negative in these images and I'm sure the price is 67 money which is substantial.
I would pass.
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I can live with color, but if you can crack, dip and resubmit for a 67…. It would’nt need a sticker to “pop” for luster and eye appeal, and still might get a sticker.
But if it got a 66+ due to a color boost, you might dip it to a 65+
No chance at 67
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I don’t care for it. And I have submitted coins with toning like that in the past and gotten QT no-grades.
Thank you for this assessment.
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I wouldn't part this from the holder because you'll lose points for this...
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Interesting discussion. I suspect the coin looks better in hand. Some coins simply are not photogenic and this could be one.
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