CACG Slabs (how are they shaking out in the market price wise ?)

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stockdude_
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Seeing more and more CACG slabs. Was wondering are they ( in general) pricing like PCGS? Like NGC? In between? Curious since they have been out for awhile now

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  • Goldminers
    Goldminers Posts: 4,414 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I like their slabs and the additional grading and registry options. As far as price, I don't know an easy way to check a large number of them. It may matter is classic or modern, not sure.

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  • Catbert
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    Greysheet price guide for CAC coins can be used for CACG coins. Readily available.

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  • Goldminers
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    @Catbert said:
    Greysheet price guide for CAC coins can be used for CACG coins. Readily available.

    I was thinking the OP question was more asking about actual comparable auction pricing for the same coin, same grade, and maybe same year of sale, not so much guide values. PCGS guides do not even include sales at GC which is now a huge market so comparing with Greysheet is variable, at best.

    For example, if we compare recent actual sales, not asking, prices of an NGC 70 vs PCGS 70 vs CACG 70 for 2024 flowing hair gold. Is there any additional market premium being paid for CACG vs PCGS vs NGC, or not.

    I think it is generally accepted that PCGS coins do get a bit more than NGC in many examples at least in modern coins. Have enough CACG graded directly comparable coins been graded and sold to make an educated guess on their results?

    It is generally accepted that a CAC stickered coin will get a higher sale price. Since they don't sticker many moderns, would it logically follow a CACG graded coin would be worth a little more due to their different grading standards?

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  • seanq
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    Not to hijack the thread, but has anyone had experience grading or selling error coins with CACG? I just joined and submitted a coin for a friend and I was very happy with both the service and the cost, as their fee for error attribution is just $15/coin. The coin was sold before it was submitted so I would love feedback on how the market is treating them as well.

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  • breakdown
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    My take: Certainly stronger in general than unstickered PCGS coins but not sure where they stack against stickered PCGS.
    LIZ Coggan and Seth and the team at Witter would be good people to answer as they are two dealers who seem to have submitted a lot of coins to CACG.

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  • johnny010
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    Strong
    Don’t like the slab (way it feels/looks)= won’t buy them.

  • johnny9434
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    @PerryHall said:
    Collectors who are participating in the NGC or PCGS registry programs are less likely to be interested in buying CACG graded coins.

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  • Cougar1978
    Cougar1978 Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Really like the CACG slabs. There seems to be a smart, savvy group of new investors realizing the market potential of them, stepping up to pay the money.

    CACG slabs showing strong demand especially retail from bourse. Sell a number of them at each show setup at. Really strong retail sales on them lately. CACG coins trade around CPG for CAC which is based on CDN bid for CAC. Of course really PQ low pop Cacg material can go for more especially for single digit pop I have found. Do currency and other Coin TPG too. Once the holidays are over plan submissions to our hosts (some nice raw material picked up).

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  • Maywood
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    PCGS and NGC coins are close to each other overall, there are some series' that one or the other seems better at. With CACG, and having no experience with them or CAC at all, it seems logical that the prices might be better. Collectors or Dealers probably assume that since CAC has been evaluating PCGS/NGC coins that they will naturally be better at grading coins. I don't think that's necessarily true.

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  • OAKSTAR
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    @seanq said:
    Not to hijack the thread, but has anyone had experience grading or selling error coins with CACG? I just joined and submitted a coin for a friend and I was very happy with both the service and the cost, as their fee for error attribution is just $15/coin. The coin was sold before it was submitted so I would love feedback on how the market is treating them as well.

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  • Bochiman
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    @Copperindian said:
    I’ve bought maybe a dozen or so, all IHC’s & gold types. I like the look, the slabs & the grading standards they seem to use. It seems the prices paid are a bit higher than other TPG’s. Even though I’m strictly a PCGS Registry set devotee at this time, it doesn’t stop me from buying what I think is a nice CACG example.

    Question if you don't mind:
    For the IHCs, are they MS or PR? Are they toned?
    I remember after CAC started up, JA and I had a chat about PR IHCs that were toned and he told me he was pretty hard on them; depending on the toning of course.

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  • Goldminers
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    Do CACG slabs fit into PCGS boxes?

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  • pcgscacgold
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    @Goldminers said:
    Do CACG slabs fit into PCGS boxes?

    No, the CACG slabs that I have received do not fit. They (CACG) are working on a box that will hold all types. Not sure the release date.

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  • skier07
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    @Goldminers said:
    Do CACG slabs fit into PCGS boxes?

    No

  • skier07
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    Anyone have any idea how CACG does compared to CACG Legacy?

  • oldabeintx
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    @pcgscacgold said:
    For me it doesn't matter since all my coins go into Intercept Tech boxes.

    I use Lighthouse wooden display boxes. Great for all slabs. Need room tho.

  • Raybo
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    @renomedphys said:
    I need all my slabs to be shaped the same and fit into the same boxes. Maybe I’m more than just a little autistic. I would definitely buy the right coin in a CACG holder but most of what I’ve seen is in actually inferior to similarly graded coins in the area that I collect.

    Your post is a little confusing to me, please clarify the following part for me renomedphys.
    " but most of what I’ve seen is in actually inferior to similarly graded coins in the area that I collect."

  • braddick
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    @Goldminers said:
    Do CACG slabs fit into PCGS boxes?

    The bugaboo is anything will fit into anything if you jam or push or squeeze hard enough.

  • jmlanzaf
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    @braddick said:

    @Goldminers said:
    Do CACG slabs fit into PCGS boxes?

    The bugaboo is anything will fit into anything if you jam or push or squeeze hard enough.

    I tried to get my 5 oz ATB pucks into a PCGS box. I had to melt them into s liquid and pour them in...

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  • pcgscacgold
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    @jmlanzaf said:

    @braddick said:

    @Goldminers said:
    Do CACG slabs fit into PCGS boxes?

    The bugaboo is anything will fit into anything if you jam or push or squeeze hard enough.

    I tried to get my 5 oz ATB pucks into a PCGS box. I had to melt them into s liquid and pour them in...

    Wish I had thought of that idea for my Shipwreck gold 1857-S Double Eagle slab with gold flecks. Instead, I sold it :smiley:

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  • stockdude_
    stockdude_ Posts: 555 ✭✭✭✭
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    Thanks everyone for their responses ( even the ones unrelated to my question ;) I have a better idea now where they stand relative to PCGS and NGC

  • fathom
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    @jmlanzaf said:

    @braddick said:

    @Goldminers said:
    Do CACG slabs fit into PCGS boxes?

    The bugaboo is anything will fit into anything if you jam or push or squeeze hard enough.

    I tried to get my 5 oz ATB pucks into a PCGS box. I had to melt them into s liquid and pour them in...

    I tried to crack out a CACG coin in a large shredder but I didnt grab it quick enough and it shredded the whole thing.

  • Zoins
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    @fathom said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @braddick said:

    @Goldminers said:
    Do CACG slabs fit into PCGS boxes?

    The bugaboo is anything will fit into anything if you jam or push or squeeze hard enough.

    I tried to get my 5 oz ATB pucks into a PCGS box. I had to melt them into s liquid and pour them in...

    I tried to crack out a CACG coin in a large shredder but I didnt grab it quick enough and it shredded the whole thing.

    Ouch! Did the coin survive?

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  • fathom
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    @Zoins said:

    @fathom said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @braddick said:

    @Goldminers said:
    Do CACG slabs fit into PCGS boxes?

    The bugaboo is anything will fit into anything if you jam or push or squeeze hard enough.

    I tried to get my 5 oz ATB pucks into a PCGS box. I had to melt them into s liquid and pour them in...

    I tried to crack out a CACG coin in a large shredder but I didnt grab it quick enough and it shredded the whole thing.

    Ouch! Did the coin survive?

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  • jkrk
    jkrk Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    A bit off the subject...

    I have a double eagle slabbed in an NGC holder.

    Didn't notice a crack on the side of the slab when I sent the the coin to CAC. The coin received a green sticker.

    In the past in a similar situation, I sent the coin to the grading company to get reholdered and then sent the coin to CAC To get restickered.

    Forgetting costs.... (probably an $8000 coin) etc.... Am i better off going the same route with this coin or sending the coin to CACG to be regraded (prob will not improve on the grade).

    TY

  • DisneyFan
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    @jkrk said:
    I have a double eagle slabbed in an NGC holder.

    Didn't notice a crack on the side of the slab when I sent the the coin to CAC. The coin received a green sticker.

    In the past in a similar situation, I sent the coin to the grading company to get reholdered and then sent the coin to CAC To get restickered.

    Forgetting costs.... (probably an $8000 coin) etc.... Am i better off going the same route with this coin or sending the coin to CACG to be regraded (prob will not improve on the grade).

    TY

    If you are keeping the coin for the long run, definitely send it to CACG.

  • Cougar1978
    Cougar1978 Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Goldminers said:
    Do CACG slabs fit into PCGS boxes?

    Nope - Don’t think so but bought some of the new slab boxes (finally on the market) online that take all 5 of the TPG accepted by eBay - sweet. Now my old Teletrade slab boxes take CACG too.

    My inventory on excel has sections for each of those 5 TPG. I keep columns for CPG, CDN Bid also.

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  • ProofCollection
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    I have listed and sold a handful of CACG coins. They seem to be a tougher sale than PCGS CAC stickered coins. I don't have enough sample size but I think they are selling for between PCGS and PCGS+CAC sticker pricing. They do seem to take longer to sell as I think there are fewer collectors wanting them.

  • skier07
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    @PeakRarities said:

    @jkrk said:
    A bit off the subject...

    I have a double eagle slabbed in an NGC holder.

    Didn't notice a crack on the side of the slab when I sent the the coin to CAC. The coin received a green sticker.

    In the past in a similar situation, I sent the coin to the grading company to get reholdered and then sent the coin to CAC To get restickered.

    Forgetting costs.... (probably an $8000 coin) etc.... Am i better off going the same route with this coin or sending the coin to CACG to be regraded (prob will not improve on the grade).

    TY

    I see no benefit in going through the hassle and spending the time to send it back to NGC to get reholdered, at which pointy then have to send it back for sticking. While CACG might not prevail over PCAC at this time, It certainly wouldn't sell for less than NGC CAC (excluding the early fatties). The turnaround time is quick, and you just have to send the coin to one location one time, then you're good to go. If Anything, the clear plastic and better optical clarity will make the coin look much nicer, and you'll get great photos!

    This ^^^^

    Or:

    Try crossing the coin at the same grade with PCGS and send the coin back to CAC for a sticker. This route would be more expensive and there’s no guarantee it will cross at PCGS but you would maximize the coins value if successful.

  • PeakRarities
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    @skier07 said:

    @PeakRarities said:

    @jkrk said:
    A bit off the subject...

    I have a double eagle slabbed in an NGC holder.

    Didn't notice a crack on the side of the slab when I sent the the coin to CAC. The coin received a green sticker.

    In the past in a similar situation, I sent the coin to the grading company to get reholdered and then sent the coin to CAC To get restickered.

    Forgetting costs.... (probably an $8000 coin) etc.... Am i better off going the same route with this coin or sending the coin to CACG to be regraded (prob will not improve on the grade).

    TY

    I see no benefit in going through the hassle and spending the time to send it back to NGC to get reholdered, at which pointy then have to send it back for sticking. While CACG might not prevail over PCAC at this time, It certainly wouldn't sell for less than NGC CAC (excluding the early fatties). The turnaround time is quick, and you just have to send the coin to one location one time, then you're good to go. If Anything, the clear plastic and better optical clarity will make the coin look much nicer, and you'll get great photos!

    This ^^^^

    Or:

    Try crossing the coin at the same grade with PCGS and send the coin back to CAC for a sticker. This route would be more expensive and there’s no guarantee it will cross at PCGS but you would maximize the coins value if successful.

    Agreed, I actually meant to add that in via “I’ you DO want to put yourself through the basket, or several, you might as well try pcgs firsrst where there’s probably upside. For me anything over 5k at lest gets a shot at least once.

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  • oldabeintx
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    Not a trader here. Sent all my CAC coins in scratched or chipped holders to CACG. They look nice and are now “conserved”. If my heirs want to try to optimize value, I’ll let them screw around with them.

  • pcgscacgold
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    Thanks for the update @nencoin for the update. Now I am hoping my current submission stalls a little and I get one of the new boxes.

    Happy Holidays to all of you at NEN (Chris, Tom, Brian, Mike, Frank and Marne).

    Completed All CAC approved Classic Head $5 set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/mysetregistry/album/344241
    CBH Set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/everyman-collections/everyman-half-dollars/everyman-capped-bust-half-dollars-1807-1839/album/345572

  • nencoin
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    @pcgscacgold said:
    Thanks for the update @nencoin for the update. Now I am hoping my current submission stalls a little and I get one of the new boxes.

    Happy Holidays to all of you at NEN (Chris, Tom, Brian, Mike, Frank and Marne).

    You're welcome. And Happy Holidays to you!

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  • Eldorado9
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    @pcgscacgold said:

    @Goldminers said:
    Do CACG slabs fit into PCGS boxes?

    No, the CACG slabs that I have received do not fit. They (CACG) are working on a box that will hold all types. Not sure the release date.

    Actually, the CACG holder will fit into a standard PCGS box. You have to put it diagonally into two slots, and it fits fine with the top on. If I had a whole bunch I would want a better solution.

  • ProofCollection
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    @CommemDude said:
    I recently saw a You Tube video where certain dealers were irate, accusing CAC of returning to 1986 grading standards, and basically saying they can't afford to have all their crossovers returned as "cleaned" by CAC, so they wont submit to them anymore. Most of the coins were circulated type silver such as Seated coinage that appeared to be unhairlined but dove grey and acceptable to PCGS but not to CAC.

    That's because there's a false belief or refusal to accept the fact that the TPGs do not use the same standards. This is fine, it's not a bad thing. But now it's incumbent on dealers and collectors to understand the differences and buy/sell accordingly.

  • yspsales
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    @ProofCollection said:

    @CommemDude said:
    I recently saw a You Tube video where certain dealers were irate, accusing CAC of returning to 1986 grading standards, and basically saying they can't afford to have all their crossovers returned as "cleaned" by CAC, so they wont submit to them anymore. Most of the coins were circulated type silver such as Seated coinage that appeared to be unhairlined but dove grey and acceptable to PCGS but not to CAC.

    That's because there's a false belief or refusal to accept the fact that the TPGs do not use the same standards. This is fine, it's not a bad thing. But now it's incumbent on dealers and collectors to understand the differences and buy/sell accordingly.

    I never understood the logic of sending in to a tougher grader via crackout from the market accepted grader.

    I get the bean but cracking?

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  • ProofCollection
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    @yspsales said:

    @ProofCollection said:

    @CommemDude said:
    I recently saw a You Tube video where certain dealers were irate, accusing CAC of returning to 1986 grading standards, and basically saying they can't afford to have all their crossovers returned as "cleaned" by CAC, so they wont submit to them anymore. Most of the coins were circulated type silver such as Seated coinage that appeared to be unhairlined but dove grey and acceptable to PCGS but not to CAC.

    That's because there's a false belief or refusal to accept the fact that the TPGs do not use the same standards. This is fine, it's not a bad thing. But now it's incumbent on dealers and collectors to understand the differences and buy/sell accordingly.

    I never understood the logic of sending in to a tougher grader via crackout from the market accepted grader.

    I get the bean but cracking?

    Yep. I don't understand the appeal of a service that (assuming an even distribution across the grading spectrum, intentionally and by policy misgrades about 1/3 of coins.

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