I don’t discount Anacs, ICG, or Raw material bc of holder game. Each coin unique where it fits in grade range. I may discount them due to the cost I have in them. I am PCGS submitter but have some Anacs, ICG which are all material under $100 each so subm / cost prohibitive. NGC I don’t try cross unless upgrade potential. Situations can vary.
No idea about Franklin proofs...I sent them misc $200-$3000 coins a few years ago and they graded everything like they were haggling to buy stuff....all way UNDERgraded....some of the stuff they called au details I got in MS63 and MS64 holders at PCGS and NGC....so I would not recommend ANACS. I've also seen the other side of things where they are have graded very obviously environmentally damaged large cents as straight grades when all other services would give them "details".
@vulcanize said:
I have a few ANACS slabs and found their grading to be fairly accurate, but in the same token, the only wrong labelling coin I happen to have is also their's.
There is an 1899 O Morgan in my collection that is wrongly labelled as 1889 O and am going to keep that for posterity as a example of the shoddy TPG work
Maybe it is the coin that is labeled wrong... 🤔
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Moursund is actually an alias for Jerry Seinfeld. Don't tell anyone...
Sounds plausible. Seinfeld hasn't made me laugh in a long time either...
@Treashunt said:
Currently, ANACS is one of the toughest graders out there-- and when I told them so, they asked me to let everyone know.
As far as I have seen, on circ coins they are usually a grade below me, and I try to be pretty tough.
But! They are very good on varieties. And their in house specialist is a pro on VAMs.
Undergrading coins is not a virtue. Being "tougher" than everyone else causes just as many problems as it solves.
As for me, I'll occasionally look at coins in ANACS slabs, but I have yet to buy one. Too much Kool-Aide? Perhaps, but I haven't lost much sleep over it. I have considered them for Dan Carr items.
I've bought a couple of ANACS coins, and cracked them out for an album. Here is most recent (I think ANACS over-graded and it should be ~vf30)
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Oh, and I have coins in all slabs, mostly winners and a few duds. I also have more mis-labled PCGS slabs than anyone else.
I have done well with ANACS coins especially the MS70 Mexico Libertad. However I don’t disagree that many in the market prefer PCGS / NGC. All 4 of the TPG accepted by eBay and GC have their place on the bourse. I did well on an ICG coin bought off the Bay not long ago. Again Anacs & ICG small part of my slabs. Picked up bc heck of deal or take all or nothing lump sum acquisition. Anacs holders fit well in ngc storage boxes ICG fit nicely in Pcgs boxes.
@50nut said:
Agree also. Many years ago, many many years ago, I had no issue with ANACs and preferred their smaller holders. As years went on, their grading deteriorated. My love affair with them ended when I had a 19th century silver coin, quite scarce, and I tried crossing it to PCGS, then NGC and then spoke to the graders in each company who both insisted that the coin had been altered, and explained to me why. I contacted ANACS. This was just before I think they ended up in bankruptcy or something disastrous like that. At first they considered living up to their guarantee, but then had other graders of theirs evaluate it and all agreed there was nothing wrong with it. That was my last ANACS coin, and forever shall be that way.
I have not worked for ANACS since 1984, but I have remained friends with several of my successors. I am not familiar with any bankruptcy on the part of ANACS since it became an independent company, nor anything particularly disastrous. Could you please clarify your s> @CaptHenway said:
@50nut said:
Agree also. Many years ago, many many years ago, I had no issue with ANACs and preferred their smaller holders. As years went on, their grading deteriorated. My love affair with them ended when I had a 19th century silver coin, quite scarce, and I tried crossing it to PCGS, then NGC and then spoke to the graders in each company who both insisted that the coin had been altered, and explained to me why. I contacted ANACS. This was just before I think they ended up in bankruptcy or something disastrous like that. At first they considered living up to their guarantee, but then had other graders of theirs evaluate it and all agreed there was nothing wrong with it. That was my last ANACS coin, and forever shall be that way.
I have not worked for ANACS since 1984, but I have remained friends with several of my successors. I am not familiar with any bankruptcy on the part of ANACS since it became an independent company, nor anything particularly disastrous. Could you please clarify your statement?
This was almost 20 yr ago so forgive me if I was too vague when I said " This was just before I think they ended up in bankruptcy or something disastrous like that". Memory being so vague, I probably shouldn't have said anything. But what I do remember was that there was some kind of transitioning that was going on at that time. Likely I was recalling a rumor. My apologies.
@50nut said:
Agree also. Many years ago, many many years ago, I had no issue with ANACs and preferred their smaller holders. As years went on, their grading deteriorated. My love affair with them ended when I had a 19th century silver coin, quite scarce, and I tried crossing it to PCGS, then NGC and then spoke to the graders in each company who both insisted that the coin had been altered, and explained to me why. I contacted ANACS. This was just before I think they ended up in bankruptcy or something disastrous like that. At first they considered living up to their guarantee, but then had other graders of theirs evaluate it and all agreed there was nothing wrong with it. That was my last ANACS coin, and forever shall be that way.
I have not worked for ANACS since 1984, but I have remained friends with several of my successors. I am not familiar with any bankruptcy on the part of ANACS since it became an independent company, nor anything particularly disastrous. Could you please clarify your s> @CaptHenway said:
@50nut said:
Agree also. Many years ago, many many years ago, I had no issue with ANACs and preferred their smaller holders. As years went on, their grading deteriorated. My love affair with them ended when I had a 19th century silver coin, quite scarce, and I tried crossing it to PCGS, then NGC and then spoke to the graders in each company who both insisted that the coin had been altered, and explained to me why. I contacted ANACS. This was just before I think they ended up in bankruptcy or something disastrous like that. At first they considered living up to their guarantee, but then had other graders of theirs evaluate it and all agreed there was nothing wrong with it. That was my last ANACS coin, and forever shall be that way.
I have not worked for ANACS since 1984, but I have remained friends with several of my successors. I am not familiar with any bankruptcy on the part of ANACS since it became an independent company, nor anything particularly disastrous. Could you please clarify your statement?
This was almost 20 yr ago so forgive me if I was too vague when I said " This was just before I think they ended up in bankruptcy or something disastrous like that". Memory being so vague, I probably shouldn't have said anything. But what I do remember was that there was some kind of transitioning that was going on at that time. Likely I was recalling a rumor. My apologies.
You may be thinking of the time ANACS and ICG changed places. Perhaps someone here can refresh our memories as to what transpired.
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@Cougar1978 said:
Recently sold a nice Mexico MS70 onza in beautiful anacs yellow holder got from GC. Made good money on it too.
Congratulations, on your success in profit but just want to throw out there. Concerning PCGS in the market and its reputation. Maybe, my opinion. maybe, if your beauty were in the PCGS holder with even just a ms 69 grade. You might of profited even more money? This is how much PCGS is over other competitors.
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I haven't had too many issues with their grading. In fact I'm putting together a proof set of Washington quarters in the old small holders. They're cheap and I like the way they look. The new orange holders on the other hand are not so great looking. I have one coin in one of those and I have the urge to just crack it out for an album.
I like ANACS for grading and Authenticating medals and tokens
especially ones that aren’t slabbed at the big two TPGs.
For instance, I have a rhodium coin that, were I try to sell raw, I would probably need access to an XRF gun or a sigma at the least. To have it slabbed, graded, and big bold words on the back that says “Authenticated” gives me and a potential buyer more peace of mind.
ANACS is also the go to place for Daniel Carr productions, at least the ones that aren’t currently available to be slabbed by our hosts.
@okiedude said:
I belong to some car forums, "which is the best oil?" is a common thread. About as entertaining as this thread.
Oh, and I have coins in all slabs, mostly winners and a few duds. I also have more mis-labled PCGS slabs than anyone else.
This is the only ANACS coin I own from an Ebay purchase. I bought
this for the coin not the holder. Liked this one for the deepest early Washington I've seen. Yes only slightly cameo and overgraded by at least one grade but deeeeeep mirrors.
Fact: I personally sent a submission of 20 specimens. All were attributed, beforehand, by a known professional and seasoned numismatist(s).
The grading was not the most important aspect to me, the information was.
I paid full price for examination for all, upper level service tier.
Received 3.75 months later, only basic information, and wrong information, grades way off, and I mean way off, quality of encashment is unter null, was asked if I wanted to re submit (pay again) for another go.......is this proper? No it is not.
All in all, using data, complete scam.
My experience W.E.C.
Only use for authentication and only in an emergency....................
@endzeit said:
Fact: I personally sent a submission of 20 specimens. All were attributed, beforehand, by a known professional and seasoned numismatist(s).
The grading was not the most important aspect to me, the information was.
I paid full price for examination for all, upper level service tier.
Received 3.75 months later, only basic information, and wrong information, grades way off, and I mean way off, quality of encashment is unter null, was asked if I wanted to re submit (pay again) for another go.......is this proper? No it is not.
All in all, using data, complete scam.
My experience W.E.C.
Only use for authentication and only in an emergency....................
@burfle23 said:
I really like ANACS for their early copper grading and attributions; actually started the "details grading" concept and were always spot on in my experiences.
Unfortunately can't comment on Franklins...
I think you may be incorrect on this. While you are a very accomplished and advanced "student" of coin authentication, I consider myself a "student" of coin grading. I cannot get enough of the history and evolution of grading. Interest in the subject started for me when I picked up a copy of Grading Coins: A collection of Readings in summer decades ago at an ANA Library Book Sale.
All modern "Detail Grading" is a rehash of the old Technical Grading System - grade the coin; describe any problem. The first TPGS to "Detail Grade" problem coins rather than net grade them was PCI sometime around 1990. They put problem coins in a slab with red labels. ANACS followed. This eventually forced NGC and PCGS to stop using body bags and provide a real service to their customers.
As for the subject of this thread, ANACS gets a bad rap. Marketing and coin dealers have poisoned the mind of collectors and the market. IMO, there is absolutely no reason to put the top two services ahead of ANACS because there is so much crap in slabs from every TPGS these days that a CAC was needed and that company better not eventually go down the drain as the others who were especially good at the beginning.
That said, there is only one reason to stick with the top services over ANACS and that is because the hype causes a demand making their coins sell for more money! And now, it better have a green bean to boot.
@Cougar1978 said:
Anacs, ICG, PCGS, NGC the 4 TPG accepted by eBay & GC. That’s good enough for me. I just price them whatever: cost +, TPG, CPG, CW Trends, CU. And of course negotiable based on room I have in them.
Beyond that don’t give a darn. Now if it’s some big ticket coin that justifies the expense I may submit to our hosts get same grade or higher.
I have seen the posts in here about TPG A vs B or C. Reminds me of a group of sorority girls at a coffee shop debating about brands of lipstick lol.
In addition to the poor taste you exhibited in your sexist comment, it sounds like you're unaware of the significant differences that the right grading company can make in a great many instances.
That comment reminds me of one of the girls in the sorority. You know, the up-tight, very knowledgeable, liberal, plain Jane with the highest IQ.
@WAYNEAS said:
I do not own any of ANACS coins.
I trust them to be accurate in authenticating a coin but not so on the grades.
Maybe someone here can tell us how their coins crossed over with PCGS grading.
I am not talking about a few coin submissions but someone with a history of doing so, say somewhere in the 20-30 item range or more.
IMO: ANACS coins sell for a lot less than NGC or PCGS so if the grading by ANACS is accurate, I would buy them at the lower price and then send them in to PCGS for a crossover.
Wayne
Dang Wayne, I think you might have discovered something!
@WAYNEAS said:
Maybe someone here can tell us how their coins crossed over with PCGS grading.
A group of identical date & denomination coins were sent to ANACS six or seven years ago, came back graded MS64 and MS65. All were cracked out, half sent to NGC and half to PCGS, where they graded MS66 and MS67. Not my coins, but I saw this happen.
That should all tell you something. Most here would reply that ANACS can't grade (Oops that's the other guys). IMO it is the difference between a knowledgeable collector grading a coin and a very savvy coin dealer pushing the limits of "Market Acceptable" values.
I've heard the stories and I've seen the product - then out of the clear blue, a large batch of Morgan's that look like 64's and 65's will come back all graded MS-63's!!! They are all cracked and sent back in.
@endzeit said:
Fact: I personally sent a submission of 20 specimens. All were attributed, beforehand, by a known professional and seasoned numismatist(s).
The grading was not the most important aspect to me, the information was.
I paid full price for examination for all, upper level service tier.
Received 3.75 months later, only basic information, and wrong information, grades way off, and I mean way off, quality of encashment is unter null, was asked if I wanted to re submit (pay again) for another go.......is this proper? No it is not.
All in all, using data, complete scam.
My experience W.E.C.
Only use for authentication and only in an emergency....................
"Welcome to PCGS! Would you like to resubmit? Have a nice day!"
You need to message @PCGS_Hy and discuss this with him to see if your coins can be reconsidered for a "mechanical error."
From what I've seen, ANACS gets a bad rap indeed. I just made my first submission to them...6 moderns. Looking for crossovers for 3 of them; the others are raw. Once I receive them I'll be able to fairly determine whether the bad rap is shameful or deserved. I just know they do a helluva lot of business (which wouldn't be the case if they truly suck) and they save the average collector, especially a moderns collector, a nice piece of change (no pun intended) by not having a membership fee nor a handling charge.
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@breakdown said:
Without a real pop report, not sure how useful any grading service is other than for authentication. Just my opinion.
Please expand on this, assuming that one knows what one is looking for? How is it not real, or not easy to use?
Is the ANACS pop report any less real than other since lots of coins are broken out or crossed over? As an example of a coin that I am interested in they have extremely good information on their grading of 1936 DDO Ty1, 2, and 3 down to die pairs and have graded as many as anyone else. https://portal.anacs.com/Account/PopReport.aspx
@burfle23 said:
I really like ANACS for their early copper grading and attributions; actually started the "details grading" concept and were always spot on in my experiences.
Unfortunately can't comment on Franklins...
I think you may be incorrect on this. While you are a very accomplished and advanced "student" of coin authentication, I consider myself a "student" of coin grading. I cannot get enough of the history and evolution of grading. Interest in the subject started for me when I picked up a copy of Grading Coins: A collection of Readings in summer decades ago at an ANA Library Book Sale.
You are correct; PCI was 1st. ANACS was the 1st I intentionally dealt with for problem early copper but I do own a couple of PCI details slabbed coins as well. ANACS markets itself as the "first major grading service" to grade problem coins,,,
Looks like this thread got the old 'three year bump' this morning, but actually, it might reveal something as times have changed in the grading industry since 2021 . . .
. . . and, keeping in mind our hosts, their platform, positivity, a sample size of "1" (me), and an innate respect for all the major grading services (to whom I submit--most importantly our hosts) . . .
(My apologies for the extended preamble, but I try to lay in the padding for the numisnarks who have a bit too much time on their hands.)
My experiences do not disprove or attack any others here, but simply reflect my personal history. ANACS has been an interesting and overall quite positive experience. I balance several considerations when I submit to them and send in certain coins that fill in a niche. Generally, these are 'Type' coins of value in the range of $100-$300, although exceptions are made.
I find the ANACS grading of the post-CACG era to be quite serious. "Tough", if you will. Specifically, they have shown the recent iteration of ANACS to be tougher on 'technical' grading, but perhaps a bit more lenient on acceptance of toning or minor surface issues. In some cases . . . brutally tough on technical grading. Consistency is on par with the other major services.
Some related positives on ANACS have also been superb customer service (Bill Arnold--my Regional Rep), and reasonable turnaround times. A negative might be the perceptions that still exist in the market on ANACS value for resale. As always, the mantra here of looking at the coin and not solely the holder is good advice, albeit ignored by some due to ANACS bias.
I do wish my ANACS coins were appreciated more for their merits, but perception takes time to develop, and time to change.
I am often entertained by the anecdotes in posts such as this. I guess I will add my own and a summary point:
About 3 years ago I bought at Heritage auction a very scarce uncirculated Panamanian gold coin that was in ANACS plastic. Because it was so scarce, I bought it, and at a relatively discounted price (naturally), cracked it out, conserved it, and tendered it to hosts where it went from ANACS 66PL to PCGS 69PL. Made me happy on that one, but only an anecdote.
What I do like is when a coin comes up for auction or sale that is in an ANACS holder and seems to be held back in price by that in comparison to N-- or P---. Especially if you are knowledgeable and see the coin in hand, you can occasionally benefit. I confess that I do usually crack these out and send them as per the example to either our hosts or across the street, with only a few left in the ANACS plastic...
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Some of the best advice I ever learned in an ANA Seminar changed me into a Doubting Thomas. The instructor told us we were not going to turn the class into a hearsay bashing of dealers or TPGS. So generally, I don't believe most of the things I hear or read about coins and dealers until it can be backed up. I have been backing up info for a long time and this is indisputable (much of it I learned from others as I've only sent my personal coins into two of the top five TPGS):
All TPGS are not the same. They differ in cost, return time, customer service, knowledge of their attributers, and market acceptability; but you all knew this already.
I had a gorgeous toned collection of Roosies... about 25+ worthy of slabbing based on color. Was so tempted to send them to ANACS just to get them in plastic.
Was in a DMZ where any color premium was negated by the more expensive PCGS label. Probably would not have gotten premium with ANACS.
Figured it was a wash and PCGS would get more eyes.
Wish I had never sold them, but I did relatively well considering they were common but colorful BU Roosies.
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@IkesT said:
Definitely starting to understand why @Realone got banned.
I vote this post to be: "Best attempt by a forum member to have a discussion among adults closed."
@Married2Coins said:
I live in the present and not much offends me - especially things I cannot change. "Can't we all just get along and stop being sniveling little snowflakes!"
I draw the line at being accused of being someone who I am not or being a troll - something you may be familiar with.
Signed, Alan
I am quick to call out people with whom I disagree. Sometimes I will pursue that disagreement with great tenacity if I feel strongly. But I never post just to get a negative response and I never, in my opinion, call people out capriciously and without purpose. I'm not a troll.
If you were a five star poster, you'd understand that.
I draw the line at being accused of being someone who I am not or being a troll - something you may be familiar with.
Signed, Alan
I am quick to call out people with whom I disagree. Sometimes I will pursue that disagreement with great tenacity if I feel strongly. But I never post just to get a negative response and I never, in my opinion, call people out capriciously and without purpose. I'm not a troll.
If you were a five star poster, you'd understand that.
Looks like you understand perfectly what I tried to convey making your post about me not being offended/offended rather unnecessary like those of your tag-team buddy accusing me of being an alt.
This identifies me much better than being someone's alt: I am quick to call out people with whom I disagree. I will ALWAYS pursue that disagreement with great tenacity until I am proven to be mistaken; in which case I will admit to being wrong
@burfle23 said:
I really like ANACS for their early copper grading and attributions; actually started the "details grading" concept and were always spot on in my experiences.
Unfortunately can't comment on Franklins...
I think you may be incorrect on this. While you are a very accomplished and advanced "student" of coin authentication, I consider myself a "student" of coin grading. I cannot get enough of the history and evolution of grading. Interest in the subject started for me when I picked up a copy of Grading Coins: A collection of Readings in summer decades ago at an ANA Library Book Sale.
You are correct; PCI was 1st. ANACS was the 1st I intentionally dealt with for problem early copper but I do own a couple of PCI details slabbed coins as well. ANACS markets itself as the "first major grading service" to grade problem coins,,,
Previously ANACS marketed itself as being the first coin grading service also. I think the false claims they make over the years are due to wishful thinking rather than the truth. The ONLY valid statement they can make is that they are now the OLDEST authentication & grading service...and apparently (according to one of our members) the people who came up with the idea of the intermediate MS grades.
@breakdown said:
Without a real pop report, not sure how useful any grading service is other than for authentication. Just my opinion.
Please expand on this, assuming that one knows what one is looking for? How is it not real, or not easy to use?
Is the ANACS pop report any less real than other since lots of coins are broken out or crossed over? As an example of a coin that I am interested in they have extremely good information on their grading of 1936 DDO Ty1, 2, and 3 down to die pairs and have graded as many as anyone else. https://portal.anacs.com/Account/PopReport.aspx
Link requires a login. Why would ANACS make their pop report for members only? If there is a way to access it without a login, please post.
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Additionally - For me (TPG stuff) it is the coin (and the deal) as long as the 5 accepted by the Bay (the Bourbon) so pass on the Koolaid. Beyond that YMMV. I keep bottom line totals for all 5 TPG and then sub total for Anacs / ICG and one for my BIG 3 - CACG, PCGS, NGC stuff. Number of slabs, bid, cost, MV, pop etc. Generally I prefer the Big 3. Sometimes have a death math / which one better along with a shot of bourbon. My Anacs 70 ASE beat it’s Big 3 counterpart by a very small tad.
If I sent in coins to be graded, I would choose NGC or PCFS. The ANACS slabs are a weird shape and the ICG ones are smaller and are also odd. I honestly like the NGC slabs the best.
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I don’t discount Anacs, ICG, or Raw material bc of holder game. Each coin unique where it fits in grade range. I may discount them due to the cost I have in them. I am PCGS submitter but have some Anacs, ICG which are all material under $100 each so subm / cost prohibitive. NGC I don’t try cross unless upgrade potential. Situations can vary.
No idea about Franklin proofs...I sent them misc $200-$3000 coins a few years ago and they graded everything like they were haggling to buy stuff....all way UNDERgraded....some of the stuff they called au details I got in MS63 and MS64 holders at PCGS and NGC....so I would not recommend ANACS. I've also seen the other side of things where they are have graded very obviously environmentally damaged large cents as straight grades when all other services would give them "details".
Yellow is about the worst possible color for a slab with a coin it. Worst decision ANACS every made.
Sounds plausible. Seinfeld hasn't made me laugh in a long time either...
I've bought a couple of ANACS coins, and cracked them out for an album. Here is most recent (I think ANACS over-graded and it should be ~vf30)
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I belong to some car forums, "which is the best oil?" is a common thread. About as entertaining as this thread.
Oh, and I have coins in all slabs, mostly winners and a few duds. I also have more mis-labled PCGS slabs than anyone else.
I have done well with ANACS coins especially the MS70 Mexico Libertad. However I don’t disagree that many in the market prefer PCGS / NGC. All 4 of the TPG accepted by eBay and GC have their place on the bourse. I did well on an ICG coin bought off the Bay not long ago. Again Anacs & ICG small part of my slabs. Picked up bc heck of deal or take all or nothing lump sum acquisition. Anacs holders fit well in ngc storage boxes ICG fit nicely in Pcgs boxes.
This was almost 20 yr ago so forgive me if I was too vague when I said " This was just before I think they ended up in bankruptcy or something disastrous like that". Memory being so vague, I probably shouldn't have said anything. But what I do remember was that there was some kind of transitioning that was going on at that time. Likely I was recalling a rumor. My apologies.
You may be thinking of the time ANACS and ICG changed places. Perhaps someone here can refresh our memories as to what transpired.
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i remember a lot of fire and rain, lol
Congratulations, on your success in profit but just want to throw out there. Concerning PCGS in the market and its reputation. Maybe, my opinion. maybe, if your beauty were in the PCGS holder with even just a ms 69 grade. You might of profited even more money? This is how much PCGS is over other competitors.
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--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.I haven't had too many issues with their grading. In fact I'm putting together a proof set of Washington quarters in the old small holders. They're cheap and I like the way they look. The new orange holders on the other hand are not so great looking. I have one coin in one of those and I have the urge to just crack it out for an album.
I like ANACS for grading and Authenticating medals and tokens
especially ones that aren’t slabbed at the big two TPGs.
For instance, I have a rhodium coin that, were I try to sell raw, I would probably need access to an XRF gun or a sigma at the least. To have it slabbed, graded, and big bold words on the back that says “Authenticated” gives me and a potential buyer more peace of mind.
ANACS is also the go to place for Daniel Carr productions, at least the ones that aren’t currently available to be slabbed by our hosts.
It's all about what the people want...
So what is the best oil? Lol.
I am hunting for coins in this ANACS holder.
Coins like this should be able to upgrade.
This is the only ANACS coin I own from an Ebay purchase. I bought
this for the coin not the holder. Liked this one for the deepest early Washington I've seen. Yes only slightly cameo and overgraded by at least one grade but deeeeeep mirrors.
Fact: I personally sent a submission of 20 specimens. All were attributed, beforehand, by a known professional and seasoned numismatist(s).
The grading was not the most important aspect to me, the information was.
I paid full price for examination for all, upper level service tier.
Received 3.75 months later, only basic information, and wrong information, grades way off, and I mean way off, quality of encashment is unter null, was asked if I wanted to re submit (pay again) for another go.......is this proper? No it is not.
All in all, using data, complete scam.
My experience W.E.C.
Only use for authentication and only in an emergency....................
Remember rule 2.
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Will do! (what is it? It has been a while)
No
I’ma holder guy and they are weird
The curve kills it
Bring back the soap.
@endzeit Care to say what coins you submitted and pictures of the coins you had problems with?
I think you may be incorrect on this. While you are a very accomplished and advanced "student" of coin authentication, I consider myself a "student" of coin grading. I cannot get enough of the history and evolution of grading. Interest in the subject started for me when I picked up a copy of Grading Coins: A collection of Readings in summer decades ago at an ANA Library Book Sale.
All modern "Detail Grading" is a rehash of the old Technical Grading System - grade the coin; describe any problem. The first TPGS to "Detail Grade" problem coins rather than net grade them was PCI sometime around 1990. They put problem coins in a slab with red labels. ANACS followed. This eventually forced NGC and PCGS to stop using body bags and provide a real service to their customers.
As for the subject of this thread, ANACS gets a bad rap. Marketing and coin dealers have poisoned the mind of collectors and the market. IMO, there is absolutely no reason to put the top two services ahead of ANACS because there is so much crap in slabs from every TPGS these days that a CAC was needed and that company better not eventually go down the drain as the others who were especially good at the beginning.
That said, there is only one reason to stick with the top services over ANACS and that is because the hype causes a demand making their coins sell for more money! And now, it better have a green bean to boot.
That comment reminds me of one of the girls in the sorority. You know, the up-tight, very knowledgeable, liberal, plain Jane with the highest IQ.
Dang Wayne, I think you might have discovered something!
That should all tell you something. Most here would reply that ANACS can't grade (Oops that's the other guys). IMO it is the difference between a knowledgeable collector grading a coin and a very savvy coin dealer pushing the limits of "Market Acceptable" values.
I've heard the stories and I've seen the product - then out of the clear blue, a large batch of Morgan's that look like 64's and 65's will come back all graded MS-63's!!! They are all cracked and sent back in.
Mistakes as this should be forgiven. Until researchers such as yourself discover the deceptive fakes, all the TPGS slab them.
Definitely starting to understand why @Realone got banned.
"Welcome to PCGS! Would you like to resubmit? Have a nice day!"
You need to message @PCGS_Hy and discuss this with him to see if your coins can be reconsidered for a "mechanical error."
From what I've seen, ANACS gets a bad rap indeed. I just made my first submission to them...6 moderns. Looking for crossovers for 3 of them; the others are raw. Once I receive them I'll be able to fairly determine whether the bad rap is shameful or deserved. I just know they do a helluva lot of business (which wouldn't be the case if they truly suck) and they save the average collector, especially a moderns collector, a nice piece of change (no pun intended) by not having a membership fee nor a handling charge.
"Brother, can you spare a dime?" (Especially a 1975 no S proof?)
I am trusting them more to not lay on the "questionable color" label on every toned Lincoln someone submits like our host of late has been doing.
WS
Frankly I like them. The yellow Anacs slabs good sellers for me, especially with women.
Please expand on this, assuming that one knows what one is looking for? How is it not real, or not easy to use?
Is the ANACS pop report any less real than other since lots of coins are broken out or crossed over? As an example of a coin that I am interested in they have extremely good information on their grading of 1936 DDO Ty1, 2, and 3 down to die pairs and have graded as many as anyone else.
https://portal.anacs.com/Account/PopReport.aspx
Each TPG has slightly different standards.
Taking the ANA grading class with NGC coins opened my eye to this. (2018)
Having been a PCGS die hard, felt the NGC standards were off basically a point in the series that were familiar to me.
Find ANACS similar to NGC in grading.
Never had an ANACS coin that didn't cross a point less with our host.
My biggest issue is the market perception. For me, they might as well be raw and are only targets for crossing for upgrades or collection brand OCD.
Trust ANACS otherwise, but sadly throwing money away grading IMHO.
Chasing DCAM would be a nightmare for me in this scenario
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You are correct; PCI was 1st. ANACS was the 1st I intentionally dealt with for problem early copper but I do own a couple of PCI details slabbed coins as well. ANACS markets itself as the "first major grading service" to grade problem coins,,,
Looks like this thread got the old 'three year bump' this morning, but actually, it might reveal something as times have changed in the grading industry since 2021 . . .
. . . and, keeping in mind our hosts, their platform, positivity, a sample size of "1" (me), and an innate respect for all the major grading services (to whom I submit--most importantly our hosts) . . .
(My apologies for the extended preamble, but I try to lay in the padding for the numisnarks who have a bit too much time on their hands.)
My experiences do not disprove or attack any others here, but simply reflect my personal history. ANACS has been an interesting and overall quite positive experience. I balance several considerations when I submit to them and send in certain coins that fill in a niche. Generally, these are 'Type' coins of value in the range of $100-$300, although exceptions are made.
I find the ANACS grading of the post-CACG era to be quite serious. "Tough", if you will. Specifically, they have shown the recent iteration of ANACS to be tougher on 'technical' grading, but perhaps a bit more lenient on acceptance of toning or minor surface issues. In some cases . . . brutally tough on technical grading. Consistency is on par with the other major services.
Some related positives on ANACS have also been superb customer service (Bill Arnold--my Regional Rep), and reasonable turnaround times. A negative might be the perceptions that still exist in the market on ANACS value for resale. As always, the mantra here of looking at the coin and not solely the holder is good advice, albeit ignored by some due to ANACS bias.
I do wish my ANACS coins were appreciated more for their merits, but perception takes time to develop, and time to change.
Drunner
I am often entertained by the anecdotes in posts such as this. I guess I will add my own and a summary point:
About 3 years ago I bought at Heritage auction a very scarce uncirculated Panamanian gold coin that was in ANACS plastic. Because it was so scarce, I bought it, and at a relatively discounted price (naturally), cracked it out, conserved it, and tendered it to hosts where it went from ANACS 66PL to PCGS 69PL. Made me happy on that one, but only an anecdote.
What I do like is when a coin comes up for auction or sale that is in an ANACS holder and seems to be held back in price by that in comparison to N-- or P---. Especially if you are knowledgeable and see the coin in hand, you can occasionally benefit. I confess that I do usually crack these out and send them as per the example to either our hosts or across the street, with only a few left in the ANACS plastic...
Well, just Love coins, period.
Some of the best advice I ever learned in an ANA Seminar changed me into a Doubting Thomas. The instructor told us we were not going to turn the class into a hearsay bashing of dealers or TPGS. So generally, I don't believe most of the things I hear or read about coins and dealers until it can be backed up. I have been backing up info for a long time and this is indisputable (much of it I learned from others as I've only sent my personal coins into two of the top five TPGS):
All TPGS are not the same. They differ in cost, return time, customer service, knowledge of their attributers, and market acceptability; but you all knew this already.
I had a gorgeous toned collection of Roosies... about 25+ worthy of slabbing based on color. Was so tempted to send them to ANACS just to get them in plastic.
Was in a DMZ where any color premium was negated by the more expensive PCGS label. Probably would not have gotten premium with ANACS.
Figured it was a wash and PCGS would get more eyes.
Wish I had never sold them, but I did relatively well considering they were common but colorful BU Roosies.
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I vote this post to be: "Best attempt by a forum member to have a discussion among adults closed."
@lermish,
I draw the line at being accused of being someone who I am not or being a troll - something you may be familiar with.
Signed, Alan
I am quick to call out people with whom I disagree. Sometimes I will pursue that disagreement with great tenacity if I feel strongly. But I never post just to get a negative response and I never, in my opinion, call people out capriciously and without purpose. I'm not a troll.
If you were a five star poster, you'd understand that.
Looks like you understand perfectly what I tried to convey making your post about me not being offended/offended rather unnecessary like those of your tag-team buddy accusing me of being an alt.
This identifies me much better than being someone's alt: I am quick to call out people with whom I disagree. I will ALWAYS pursue that disagreement with great tenacity until I am proven to be mistaken; in which case I will admit to being wrong
Previously ANACS marketed itself as being the first coin grading service also. I think the false claims they make over the years are due to wishful thinking rather than the truth. The ONLY valid statement they can make is that they are now the OLDEST authentication & grading service...and apparently (according to one of our members) the people who came up with the idea of the intermediate MS grades.
Link requires a login. Why would ANACS make their pop report for members only? If there is a way to access it without a login, please post.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
I dunno what the reverse looks like on the sample, but that '43 Steelie doesn't look the least bit corroded to me.
"Brother, can you spare a dime?" (Especially a 1975 no S proof?)
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
Additionally - For me (TPG stuff) it is the coin (and the deal) as long as the 5 accepted by the Bay (the Bourbon) so pass on the Koolaid. Beyond that YMMV. I keep bottom line totals for all 5 TPG and then sub total for Anacs / ICG and one for my BIG 3 - CACG, PCGS, NGC stuff. Number of slabs, bid, cost, MV, pop etc. Generally I prefer the Big 3. Sometimes have a death math / which one better along with a shot of bourbon. My Anacs 70 ASE beat it’s Big 3 counterpart by a very small tad.
If I sent in coins to be graded, I would choose NGC or PCFS. The ANACS slabs are a weird shape and the ICG ones are smaller and are also odd. I honestly like the NGC slabs the best.
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