Clearly Fake 09-SVDB from high volume ebay crapster - It's BAAAAACK!
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So this high volume ebay crappy raw coin dealer has a fairly obvious (to experienced collectors) fake 09-S VDB - the “S” is misshapen and the “N” in “united” is not correct. I tried to report it but the idiotic AI says it is ok - is there a way to get a human to remove this listing?
EDIT:
The fake coin is back. I guess we can try getting it removed again:
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the new report flow starts with the " ? " in the lower right
I'm reporting, but want to ask what choices everyone is using. i select "counterfeit bullion" as it's the only one with "counterfeit" in it
is there something better?
Ok I tried the new report flow as well. We will see what happens.
Reported.
Message sent to seller.
Reply from seller.
"Hi, this is an authentic Coin. Thank you for reaching out, have a great evening"
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Maybe the best thing to do is write your Congresssman and have him/her introduce a bill to change the Constitution to prevent ebay from selling fake coins. Cradle to grave.
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Does eBay’s AI “authentic “ cause them liability even with an inaccurate assessment?
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ebay's ai "response messages" (mindless templates) do not mention authenticity
they merely state if something is in violation of policy.
the law gives them a great deal of protection as a medium of information exchange and product exchange facilitator, they are not a store or publisher. in the good ol days of the web the idea behind the law is to treat them like a grocery store bulletin board which people can post all sorts of anything
it certainly should
The easy solution is: Don't use ebay.
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Todd Rundgren?
That is an easy solution for you but it doesn't help the person who has bid the coin up to $1136
most coin on ebay are real
most listing aren't scams or are borderline unethical
there is a scourge of counterfeits that seem to be coming from outsiide the country and there are some that have them and either know it or not then put them up
there are truly great counterfeits out there but the required photo sizes from ebay are sometimes not good enough to be 100% certain.
then there are the obvious counterfeits that can be reported with 100% certainty -- like this one -- and we try to get them nuked
"That is an easy solution for you but it doesn't help the person who has bid the coin up to $1136
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Don't be a rube... ebay allows you to cancel a bid. If you don't know what you're bidding on then maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't be bidding. Cradle to grave.
"Todd Rundgren?"
No. LOL -- Great musician.
The high bidder is a shill.
Total bids with seller 107 , Items bid on 16 , Bid activity with this seller 100%
don't see a way to report shills in the new flow, but used the old way
in the new reporting flow, i finally saw "replica coins and currency" - i'd still like to see the word counterfeit in there
Or could be a forum member using a throw-away ebay account.
Reported
I reported as well; was still up and a really large dealer...
Well ebay has yet to make a decision on my report last night, so maybe there is some hope it will get nuked
It is gone.
Good work, posse.
The big question is, did the seller remove it or did eBay remove it?
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After the reply posted by @ifthevamzarockin do you really think the seller would have removed it?
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He may have gotten nervous and removed it preemptively since he knew eBay would remove it. In any event, don't be surprised if it shows up again on eBay in a few weeks with a low BIN price so some bargain hunter will snatch it up before anyone has a chance to report it to eBay.
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"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Nobody else posted the picture of it. It's always good to see what "bad" looks like. The best give away is the weak portrait combined with the high rims.
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The reply I got from my report to ebay.
"We looked into your report and didn’t find the listing to be in violation of our policy. This determination was made using automation or artificial intelligence."
It is showing as removed by ebay on my end and not ended by the seller.
It appears ebay may have gotten enough reports about it that they removed it.
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It was removed.
I think the biggest giveaway is the misshapen “S”
I did mention the “deep N” in my OP as well.
I uploaded pictures of real vs counterfeit and showed why it was a counterfeit...
Isn't AI already involved with what gets listed and whatnot?
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When you see the “We looked everywhere” statement, it means it was removed by eBay.
If the seller had removed it himself, the photo would still be up with something like
“ This has removed do to an error in the listing” written across it.
eBay removed the listing...
The biggest giveaway for me is this piece looks like it came out of a crackerjack box.
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Sad when the seller maintains it is genuine...
The listing is back. I will try reporting it again. Ugh.
Can you please post the eBay ID number.
@ifthevamzarockin said:
Reply from seller.
"Hi, this is an authentic Coin. Thank you for reaching out, have a great evening"
Well it is an authentic coin of some sorts but not an authentic 1909 S Mint Lincoln Cent with the VDB initials on the reverse!
I added a link in the OP, but here is one below:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/256721316765?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=gLBPQX5xRuO&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=bxjklrq3tfe&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
The seller cancelled a bunch of bids - wonder why? It was up to $711, now down to $51 after the bid cancellations.
reported
They almost all argue that their fake coin is genuine or was taken to two dealers and was told it was genuine.