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Coinscratch
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edited June 19, 2024 3:01PM in U.S. Coin Forum

I thought this one might slide by as a 66, plus I had vouchers to burn so I thought why not...

All I can say is good luck on this one.

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  • Shurke
    Shurke Posts: 782 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Might just be the photo, but the obverse looks a little scuffy for a gem grade. 64?

  • privatecoin
    privatecoin Posts: 3,853 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    65

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  • jesbroken
    jesbroken Posts: 11,252 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Unc details


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  • Coinscratch
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    @Shurke said:
    Might just be the photo, but the obverse looks a little scuffy for a gem grade. 64?

    The photos are another story and they definitely look worse than the coin in hand.

  • CRHer700
    CRHer700 Posts: 2,153 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 18, 2024 8:38AM
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    67 :)

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  • hummingbird_coins
    hummingbird_coins Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64

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  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,085 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Not even close :p

  • Fraz
    Fraz Posts: 2,118 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Coinscratch said:
    I thought this one might slide by as a 66 plus.….

    All I can say is good luck on this one.

    I give. AU?

  • FlyingAl
    FlyingAl Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS66.

    Very weird angle for a photo. It's going to accentuate and exaggerate every little tick and nick.

    Coin Photography

  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,085 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @FlyingAl said:
    MS66.

    Very weird angle for a photo. It's going to accentuate and exaggerate every little tick and nick.

    Couldn't agree more with that statement. I'll shoot better ones once they arrive, especially for the ones that did hit but look like they didn't...

  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,085 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No one is even close yet 😂

  • jughead1893
    jughead1893 Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    45

  • raycyca
    raycyca Posts: 1,751 ✭✭✭
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    No grade, environmental damage.

    You only live life once, enjoy it like it's your last day. It just MIGHT be!

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  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,085 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Keep digging!

  • Fraz
    Fraz Posts: 2,118 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    You got screwed by an SMS.

  • ProofCollection
    ProofCollection Posts: 8,052 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS64 for me.

  • braddick
    braddick Posts: 25,183 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS68?

  • FranklinHalfAddict
    FranklinHalfAddict Posts: 697 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    My initial guess was going to be 65.
    Then I read “good luck with this one.”
    So my final answer will be UNC Details, environmental damage.

  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,085 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No, it has a real grade just not one you would typically guess for a coin with this appearance.

  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,085 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I mean it’s almost comical but I’m not going to say that they are wrong because they gave 4 others 67 including a 67+.

  • jesbroken
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    XF cause no one else has said it. lol
    Jim


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  • Coinscratch
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    @jesbroken said:
    XF cause no one else has said it. lol
    Jim

    Lower.

  • jesbroken
    jesbroken Posts: 11,252 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    If that's a P01, I want it. lol
    Jim


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  • john_nyc1
    john_nyc1 Posts: 246 ✭✭✭
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    VF

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  • Coinscratch
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    @john_nyc1 said:
    VF

    Because I collect moderns I’m really not familiar with these grade level synonyms but I’m pretty sure it’s lower than that one too, lol.

  • Sven27
    Sven27 Posts: 11 ✭
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    65

  • ProofCollection
    ProofCollection Posts: 8,052 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'm actually going to change mine to MS61. I don't see any wear, but there are significant hits on the devices and fields to result in a 61.

  • braddick
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    The fact the OP "LOL'ed" my guess I am going to go with MS60?

  • Coinscratch
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    @ProofCollection said:
    I'm actually going to change mine to MS61. I don't see any wear, but there are significant hits on the devices and fields to result in a 61.

    I could see that scenario but no.
    The coin is straight graded and without a plus.

  • Coinscratch
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    @braddick said:
    The fact the OP "LOL'ed" my guess I am going to go with MS60?

    I’m laughing even harder now, not because you’re wrong but because you’re still not right, lol.

  • hummingbird_coins
    hummingbird_coins Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Guesses:
    64
    65
    67
    64
    "Not even close"
    AU
    66
    still not close
    45
    64
    68
    XF
    VF
    65
    61
    60

    Using this I think it is probably 62.

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  • jesbroken
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    OK, ok its VF
    Jim


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  • U1chicago
    U1chicago Posts: 6,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    wild guess of F15 (mechanical error that should have been a 65)

  • Coinscratch
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    @U1chicago said:
    wild guess of F15 (mechanical error that should have been a 65)

    Close enough apparently. VG-10 so there must be something seriously wrong. Can you get a gold sticker that cheap?

    Here is a 67 from the same sub that I thought couldn't get past 66+ for the large planchet flaws. Go figure! So I assume the strike started the bar a little higher?

  • cladking
    cladking Posts: 30,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 18, 2024 8:43PM
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    This is exactly the kind of coin that gets over graded the most.

    MS 66

    It is a very nice coin but not 66.

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  • hummingbird_coins
    hummingbird_coins Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    3 gold stickers wouldn't be enough for this coin. Maybe CAC could make a new platinum sticker just for it.
    Jokes aside, that is the biggest grading error I have ever seen, and might command a hefty premium if there are people who collect that stuff.

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  • U1chicago
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    @Coinscratch said:

    @U1chicago said:
    wild guess of F15 (mechanical error that should have been a 65)

    Close enough apparently. VG-10 so there must be something seriously wrong. Can you get a gold sticker that cheap?

    Here is a 67 from the same sub that I thought couldn't get past 66+ for the large planchet flaws. Go figure! So I assume the strike started the bar a little higher?

    It’s definitely a mechanical error. Someone typed in the wrong grade. CAC does not do moderns, so that’s not an option. Plus I’m not sure that they would sticker a mechanical error even on a coin they normally accept. Now there is a premium for mechanical errors like this and someone would pay up for the oddity (but I don’t think anyone would pay MS 67 prices).

  • Coinscratch
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    @U1chicago said:

    @Coinscratch said:

    @U1chicago said:
    wild guess of F15 (mechanical error that should have been a 65)

    Close enough apparently. VG-10 so there must be something seriously wrong. Can you get a gold sticker that cheap?

    Here is a 67 from the same sub that I thought couldn't get past 66+ for the large planchet flaws. Go figure! So I assume the strike started the bar a little higher?

    It’s definitely a mechanical error. Someone typed in the wrong grade. CAC does not do moderns, so that’s not an option. Plus I’m not sure that they would sticker a mechanical error even on a coin they normally accept. Now there is a premium for mechanical errors like this and someone would pay up for the oddity (but I don’t think anyone would pay MS 67 prices).

    I see, a human mechanical error. So CACG will slab moderns but still no CAC stickering for moderns? I may need to crack several and send them over if they can take better pics. I had a bad feeling when Mr. Hall left the building a while back.

  • Shurke
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    @hummingbird_coins said:
    Jokes aside, that is the biggest grading error I have ever seen, and might command a hefty premium if there are people who collect that stuff.

    There was a similarly large mechanical error posted in a fairly recent thread titled something like “When Grading Services Drink.” (I searched but couldn’t find the thread again). Someone in that thread posted a VG-ish coin in an UNC details holder.

  • CRHer700
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    @Coinscratch said:

    @U1chicago said:
    wild guess of F15 (mechanical error that should have been a 65)

    Close enough apparently. VG-10 so there must be something seriously wrong. Can you get a gold sticker that cheap?

    Here is a 67 from the same sub that I thought couldn't get past 66+ for the large planchet flaws. Go figure! So I assume the strike started the bar a little higher?

    Wow! A lowball! It is the only one graded less than a 55 at PCGS! :+1::+1::+1:

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  • CRHer700
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    Does the holder itself say VG10 or do you even have it back yet?

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  • ProofCollection
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    I'm curious what the "Quality Check" portion of the grading process is for? It seems they miss a lot obvious problems.

  • Coinscratch
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    @CRHer700 said:
    Does the holder itself say VG10 or do you even have it back yet?

    Expecting today via Fed Ex but the cert number shows the grade so I imagine it is.

  • U1chicago
    U1chicago Posts: 6,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Coinscratch said:

    @U1chicago said:

    @Coinscratch said:

    @U1chicago said:
    wild guess of F15 (mechanical error that should have been a 65)

    Close enough apparently. VG-10 so there must be something seriously wrong. Can you get a gold sticker that cheap?

    Here is a 67 from the same sub that I thought couldn't get past 66+ for the large planchet flaws. Go figure! So I assume the strike started the bar a little higher?

    It’s definitely a mechanical error. Someone typed in the wrong grade. CAC does not do moderns, so that’s not an option. Plus I’m not sure that they would sticker a mechanical error even on a coin they normally accept. Now there is a premium for mechanical errors like this and someone would pay up for the oddity (but I don’t think anyone would pay MS 67 prices).

    I see, a human mechanical error. So CACG will slab moderns but still no CAC stickering for moderns? I may need to crack several and send them over if they can take better pics. I had a bad feeling when Mr. Hall left the building a while back.

    CAC stickering has not done moderns and does not appear to want to go that route. But the grading service does do moderns (and they probably have to in order to keep the revenue flowing).

  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,131 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    What’s the point of a
    GTG thread for a coin that’s an obvious mechanical error?

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  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,085 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @MFeld said:
    What’s the point of a
    GTG thread for a coin that’s an obvious mechanical error?

    It wasn't obvious to me, I just assumed they had assigned the correct grade that they thought it was. Like I said earlier in the thread they graded several others that I'm very happy with. However, the point could have been to see what others thought and apparently it is a typo or mechanical error.

  • Fraz
    Fraz Posts: 2,118 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @MFeld said:
    What’s the point of a
    GTG thread for a coin that’s an obvious mechanical error?

    We had fun, it made me think. It’s good, Le Roi.

    Edit: much better than the usual whine about mislabeling.

  • braddick
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    @MFeld said:
    What’s the point of a
    GTG thread for a coin that’s an obvious mechanical error?

    Hey, I received two 'LOLs' both from the OP for guessing MS68 and then guessing MS60, so there is that.
    :)

  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,085 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The Sun King :D
    So it's worth more as a VG-10 than it would be as a MS66. I'll take that as a win and start the auction at .99 cents. Afterall the Price Guide is $1.

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