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So Mark Feld and Wondercoin are now Trolls for pointing out facts. 😂
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I'm not surprised at Rick's answer.
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@jmlanzaf said:
@fathom said:
How dare someone call out an award winning ANA dealer.Where do we think we are....America?
The OP could say "Hello" and they would be banned. This is their 5th or 6th alt which is clearly against forum rules.
And, in America, you can't say anything you want. Pointing out the inaccuracies are rather different than calling out the individual's person.
That kinda reminds me of the statement : “sometimes the black sheep is often the only one telling the whole truth”.
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Thanks for your reply and clarification @EagleEye There are facts and then there are opinions. Often times when stating an opinion people will assume one is being factual. Oh, and the large type is appreciated by those of us that need to feel the emphasis of your rebuttal.
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@TwoSides2aCoin said:
@jmlanzaf said:
@fathom said:
How dare someone call out an award winning ANA dealer.Where do we think we are....America?
The OP could say "Hello" and they would be banned. This is their 5th or 6th alt which is clearly against forum rules.
And, in America, you can't say anything you want. Pointing out the inaccuracies are rather different than calling out the individual's person.
That kinda reminds me of the statement : “sometimes the black sheep is often the only one telling the whole truth”.
Except the "black sheep" in this case, OP (aka @VarietyFan @TagTail @EScottCoins @EScott83 @KatanaPilot @Pauly58) is a troll, liar, and all around unethical individual as he has proved time and again on this board.
(Although he did find a nugget of truth re this ebay listing, that doesn't absolve him of all of his other infractions)
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In all fairness, Rick was probably unaware that starting the post with a number would equate to the large format. I agree with the rest of your comment. None of us were pointing out that we had an issue with the price being asked, it was all to do with the phrasing and the opinions being stated as facts. Besides the complete omission of the ms68, this entire discussion could have been avoided with three words- "In my opinion..."
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Well, whoever has a crappy coin in a PCGS MS 68 holder .... you heard it from the top. It's not as good as a 67+, and for the OP or others attempting to shine such light on the situation.... it is not at all about ethics. Yet, at the end of the thread, it seems to fall on graders with a lack of grading skills . At least for a lowly MS 68.
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I love it when coin people dig in their heels rather to gracefully concede an inch
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@marcmoish said:
@braddick said:
Well, it appears I've been smeckeldorfed, bamboozled and hoodwinked.I have not heard the term schmeckeldorfed in years, you spelled it wrong lol, gosh I love these threads. Seriously hilarious.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Schmeckeldorf
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OK, I stand corrected, I had something else in mind, totally
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‘’Well, whoever has a crappy coin in a PCGS MS 68 holder .... you heard it from the top….”
The Heritage cataloguer (and for that matter 2 or 3 world class PCGS graders) might have a somewhat contrary opinion…
‘’Brilliant, satiny surfaces yield sharp detail and pristine fields, with bright zinc-silver color throughout.’’
Note: At least one dictionary suggests that “pristine” and perfect” can be interchangeable.
Just saying.
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@tcollects said:
I love it when coin people dig in their heels rather to gracefully concede an inch
While the seller's large type rant clarified his perspective, the total disregard for factual errors pointed out by several respected professional numismatists on this thread is still not a good look.
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If one doesn’t own their mistakes I question whether they learn from them.
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Buy the coin, not the holder, (or the sales pitch). LOOK! All fixed.
Having fun while switching things up and focusing on a next level PCGS slabbed 1950+ type set, while still looking for great examples for the 7070.
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@DeplorableDan said:
In all fairness, Rick was probably unaware that starting the post with a number would equate to the large format. I agree with the rest of your comment. None of us were pointing out that we had an issue with the price being asked, it was all to do with the phrasing and the opinions being stated as facts. Besides the complete omission of the ms68, this entire discussion could have been avoided with three words- "In my opinion..."
There wasn’t merely an omission of the MS68 example in the listing. There was an affirmative denial of its existence among the PCGS population.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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I am a nobody in the world of numismatics, and as such I realize my opinion doesn't carry much weight so take this with a grain of salt if you want. With that said, while I don't know the man personally, I have always held Mr. Snow in high regard based on his awards, achievements, and overall knowledge in the field of numismatics. However, this single thread (especially his response) has diminished my opinion of him significantly. Maybe it will lead me to never purchase another coin from him, maybe it won't (time will tell), but I think this can serve as a lesson for all of us. A reputation that it takes a lifetime to build can be torn down in an instant by pride.
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@MFeld said:
@DeplorableDan said:
In all fairness, Rick was probably unaware that starting the post with a number would equate to the large format. I agree with the rest of your comment. None of us were pointing out that we had an issue with the price being asked, it was all to do with the phrasing and the opinions being stated as facts. Besides the complete omission of the ms68, this entire discussion could have been avoided with three words- "In my opinion..."
There wasn’t merely an omission of the MS68 example in the listing. There was an affirmative denial of its existence among the PCGS population.
Thanks, Mark. I had to read through again and I stand corrected.
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@Connecticoin said:
@tcollects said:
I love it when coin people dig in their heels rather to gracefully concede an inch
While the seller's large type rant clarified his perspective, the total disregard for factual errors pointed out by several respected professional numismatists on this thread is still not a good look.
Again, this doesn't surprise me.
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@MFeld said:
@DeplorableDan said:
In all fairness, Rick was probably unaware that starting the post with a number would equate to the large format. I agree with the rest of your comment. None of us were pointing out that we had an issue with the price being asked, it was all to do with the phrasing and the opinions being stated as facts. Besides the complete omission of the ms68, this entire discussion could have been avoided with three words- "In my opinion..."
There wasn’t merely an omission of the MS68 example in the listing. There was an affirmative denial of its existence among the PCGS population.
I wouldn't look at it so harshly, IMHO, we're looking at a situation where Rick can't psychologically accept the existence of the MS68 and will deny the existence of it forever, as an effort to reduce his cognitive dissonance, this isn't in the top weirdest stuff today so I think we should move on
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So if I own the 68 I am supposed to be happy with an expert coming out and trashing my coin saying it is awful on a public message board. When he has one in a lower grade for sale. The gang would be all over anyone else if this was a coin for sale in a current auction. Helps to be the Dealer of the year I guess.
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What’s up? I can’t find 1943 in either the price guide or the population report.
Joe.
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@willy said:
So if I own the 68 I am supposed to be happy with an expert coming out and trashing my coin saying it is awful on a public message board. When he has one in a lower grade for sale. The gang would be all over anyone else if this was a coin for sale in a current auction. Helps to be the Dealer of the year I guess.It appears to me that the consensus on this board is NOT "happy" with certain of the subject dealer's claims in the ad, or with the dealer's conduct in responding to this thread.
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@UncleJoe said:
What’s up? I can’t find 1943 in either the price guide or the population report.Joe.
See here: https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1943-2-s-1c-ddo-fs-101/37822
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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@UncleJoe said:
What’s up? I can’t find 1943 in either the price guide or the population report.Joe.
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Pop ReportEdited to Add: I was too slow. Mark beat me to it.
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@willy said:
So if I own the 68 I am supposed to be happy with an expert coming out and trashing my coin saying it is awful on a public message board. When he has one in a lower grade for sale. The gang would be all over anyone else if this was a coin for sale in a current auction. Helps to be the Dealer of the year I guess.Frankly, I don't see anyone on his side.
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This thread is kind of sad. Rick has been a great member here over the years and a wealth of knowledge and expertise in the area of Flying eagle/Indian Head cents. But intentionally or not, he is obviously wrong here. He clearly picked and chose what to include in his description, citing that one sold for $10,000 while failing to mention that a higher graded one sold for less than 6,000. That in itself isnt a mprtal sin, but then he inexplicably both denies that a graded MS68 exists and admits to seeing it at the FUN show. So he knew about it, but suppressed info about it selling for less and stating as fact that his example was the highest graded (false) and there were no examples graded MS68 (false.)
I dont think this is about putting a high asking price of your choosing on a coin in inventory. It's about purposely obscuring auction records and pop reports in your item description. Suggesting that it should be worth $100,000? Ok...but considering one sold for $5800 that is one heck of an opinion to give, especially when you are a guy people look up to for advice.
I'm not piling on here. Rick Snow has been one of the good guys in numismatics, but I'm especially disappointed in his explanation. It has an air of arrogance about it.
"I don’t post much anymore, and probably won’t in the future. I’ll be better for it, but sadly the boards will not."
Jeez. There's probably more to this story, and it would have been nice to hear it considering the man's integrity was questioned. So it may be worth his time to come back with a clear head and address some of it.
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The is all sounds like something juliancoin would have done ten years ago.
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I read through this thread. Am I to assume that someone may have fell out of the circle of trust?
Martin
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Is this a witch hunt or something? If you don’t like their price don’t buy it.
Since when is it your business to dissect how he describes his material or not?
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A friend just had an email from some dolt trashing him out because he agreed (hit the agree button) with some poster in another thread . How in the world can some low life sleazy piece of crap find out who agreed with a poster of a thread in here? Was it a bluff, a glitch, hacker, or really allowed by this blog?
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@Cougar1978 said:
Is this a witch hunt or something? If you don’t like their price don’t buy it.Since when is it your business how he describes his material or not?
You sound as if you didn’t read carefully enough to know what the real issue is.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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@MFeld said:
@Cougar1978 said:
Is this a witch hunt or something? If you don’t like their price don’t buy it.Since when is it your business how he describes his material or not?
You sound as if you didn’t read carefully enough to know what the real issue is.
Give him credit for reading anything. Normally he doesn't bother.
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@Cougar1978 said:
Is this a witch hunt or something? If you don’t like their price don’t buy it.Since when is it your business to dissect how he describes his material or not?
Intentional inaccuracy matters. It's not the worst crime in the history of mankind, but such activities do leave a mark on someone's reputation.
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@Cougar1978 said:
Is this a witch hunt or something? If you don’t like their price don’t buy it.Since when is it your business to dissect how he describes his material or not?
Well, when the information is deliberately false and your two 67+ have been slighted, it can become one's business.
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Wow. See what you mean, took a look at CF on that issue.
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Over many years, I have had only positive experiences with Rick Snow. I have found him to be honest, straightforward and very easy to work with.
Given this, I am perplexed by his response in this thread. At the very least, any factual inaccuracy regarding PCGS populations should be corrected.
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If you are an investor and a collector to a larger degree than we think, then you care about full disclosure. Full disclosure ensures the greatest opportunity to appreciation. In a regulated marketplace full disclosure is required, stocks bonds and the like, and investors know this.
If we want those parties to stay in this unregulated marketplace then we need full disclosure no? Otherwise they will leave in droves.
That is really all that is being said here, so let's turn to a positive. There are reputable posters on this thread that care about the marketplace.
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Not to hijack the thread, but this gave me a good laugh, which I think we can all use. There is a small town (Chickasha, OK) not too far from where I live that has a permanent Leg Lamp Statue in honor of "A Christmas Story." It's not too far from OKC if you are in Oklahoma for the 2025 WFoM show.
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In my opinion, Rick Snow is a great guy and a great numismatist who appears to have made a mistake. I cannot see letting one troll (with multiple alts) who appears to have issues with him win his vendetta by harping on that mistake.
All those on here who have never made a mistake please take one step forward. Identify yourselves.
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@CaptHenway said:
In my opinion, Rick Snow is a great guy and a great numismatist who appears to have made a mistake. I cannot see letting one troll (with multiple alts) who appears to have issues with him win his vendetta by harping on that mistake.All those on here who have never made a mistake please take one step forward. Identify yourselves.
Tom DeLorey
I don't disagree, and I know that I have certainly made a lot of mistakes, both in life and in this hobby we all love. Accordingly, I don't want a troll to "win", however, the biggest issue I have is the lack of accountability and unwillingness to own those mistakes and make the appropriate corrections/changes.
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@CaptHenway said:
In my opinion, Rick Snow is a great guy and a great numismatist who appears to have made a mistake. I cannot see letting one troll (with multiple alts) who appears to have issues with him win his vendetta by harping on that mistake.All those on here who have never made a mistake please take one step forward. Identify yourselves.
Tom DeLorey
Tom, I totally agree, I personally as a dealer have made mistakes over 30 years of being a full time dealer, I don’t think anyone here is relying on the troll for their information. I think really most people are a little taken back by the tone and content of the response of a very well-respected and highly accomplished dealer. I am not trying to throw any stones here, this is a far more complicated business than most of the hobby cares to know, but in this case, I do think reputation is what dealers have instead of degrees/certifications. While I can understand the frustrations from any dealer in this situation, I kind of lean toward the reply hurting much worse than the troll.
With that said, I know nothing about this coin or the situation other than what’s on this thread. I certainly agree that in my area of expertise (early American pre-1793 coinage) many examples graded in a lower numerical holder are FAR more appealing and desirable than higher graded examples of the same, in this case, I’m not so sure that is what was being described.
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@PerryHall: your question yesterday about zinc pest prompted me to look it up. Also known as “zinc rot”, it does affect pennies in particular since 1982 since that’s their primary component. What I read was zinc was an unstable metal & perhaps prone to this. Temperature changes, liquids, et. al. also contribute.
The curious part was Rick’s allusion to tin pest. Where’s the tin in this coin? Turns out they did experiment with tin but decided on zinc instead. The tin composition was over 96% as I recall. There weren’t many of these minted, but maybe these 1943/2-S coins were minted with tin? That’s the only explanation I can come up with but didn’t find a reference that affirmed this.“The thrill of the hunt never gets old”
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@rnkmyer1 said:
@PerryHall: your question yesterday about zinc pest prompted me to look it up. Also known as “zinc rot”, it does affect pennies in particular since 1982 since that’s their primary component. What I read was zinc was an unstable metal & perhaps prone to this. Temperature changes, liquids, et. al. also contribute.
The curious part was Rick’s allusion to tin pest. Where’s the tin in this coin? Turns out they did experiment with tin but decided on zinc instead. The tin composition was over 96% as I recall. There weren’t many of these minted, but maybe these 1943/2-S coins were minted with tin? That’s the only explanation I can come up with but didn’t find a reference that affirmed this.I think he's just using the term "tin pest" in the colloquial way that people use the term "rust" for non-ferrous corrosion. I guarantee that coin is not made of tin.
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