Won an EBay order at a great deal (or so I thought.. ).. seller immediately canceled the order!
Options? I’ll post a link when I get home.. Just looking for input, thanks all!
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It's against eBay policy, or it was many years ago. That said, is happened to me several times, want with my time to report them
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Was it a listing error with BIN price or an auction?
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And that's the problem with great deals on EBAY ...
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@USMC_6115 said:
Options? I’ll post a link when I get home.. Just looking for input, thanks all!This is just my own experience so ymmv but I think there isn’t any better outcome. Some sellers are upfront with it and cancel outright while others will claim it’s been lost and make you jump through hoops to get a refund.
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Put it behind you and keep looking forward. There will be other good deals.
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happens to fellow forumites enough to know a few common excuses, and that sometimes there is a legit reason.
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@USMC_6115 said:
Options? I’ll post a link when I get home.. Just looking for input, thanks all!Hold their feet to the fire
eBay is a legal binding contract for both sides.
Remind the seller and eBay of this...
Depending on results roast the seller.2 -
Ebay notified.. I'm sure it will go nowhere. For reference is it means anything to anyone:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/196369116666
Just a note; if you look through the feedback he lists all his bars as "Plate."
And I'll note his ID here for search purposes: albemarle14
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Why do you think that's a great deal? Looks to me they go for that price all day long.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=1+troy+ounce+.999+engelhard+silver+bar&_sacat=0&rt=nc&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=15 -
i'm looking and thinking it's plated foreign fool-ya crap
will point PM people here
if it says "plate" why would you think it is not?
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to start, outside of some art bars, they all should have a serial number
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@MsMorrisine said:
i'm looking and thinking it's plated foreign fool-ya crapwill point PM people here
if it says "plate" why would you think it is not?
When you look through his feedback, all of his silver bars sold say "Plate." From Engelhard to JM... I think it is just how he lists them.
Also, all Engelhard bar do NOT have serial numbers. As a matter fact, some of the more rare bars do not.
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@TimNH said:
Why do you think that's a great deal? Looks to me they go for that price all day long.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=1+troy+ounce+.999+engelhard+silver+bar&_sacat=0&rt=nc&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1Alengelhard lists that bar as a <2,000 mintage. Please show me how they sell at that price all day long.
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@davewesen said:
Was it a listing error with BIN price or an auction?Auction.. Went till the end and he canceled it as I was trying to pay for it
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@jeffas1974 said:
@USMC_6115 said:
Options? I’ll post a link when I get home.. Just looking for input, thanks all!This is just my own experience so ymmv but I think there isn’t any better outcome. Some sellers are upfront with it and cancel outright while others will claim it’s been lost and make you jump through hoops to get a refund.
Nope, he claimed I canceled the auction.. not true!
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@USMC_6115 said:
Alengelhard lists that bar as a <2,000 mintage. Please show me how they sell at that price all day long.
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@MsMorrisine said:
this one?
Yes
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Are you trying to say the eBay bar is a fake?
The picture you show looks like a different bar. the fonts don’t matchBut if it is a fake bar why cancel the sale?
I’m a bit confused here
Martin
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USMC.
That bar is FAKE.
Look at the corners...way too sharp as in not rounded like the one on ALLENGELHARD.
Be careful with the bars in the hard plastic holders...that's a good sign of fakes.
If you can get the seller to honor the deal, make sure you check it out thoroughly.
Match it up with a known Engelhard outside the case.. weight is probably off also.
After that get your money back and keep the FAKE bar as an example...cut in half.3 -
@Martin said:
@MsMorrisineAre you trying to say the eBay bar is a fake?
The picture you show looks like a different bar. the fonts don’t matchBut if it is a fake bar why cancel the sale?
I’m a bit confused here
Martin
I'm confused too.. I was merely asking for Ebay advise for unwarranted cancelation.
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no serial number. ok i screwed that up
radius of curvature on corners of this genuine one is noticeably larger than in the auction one.
the "big E" sits lower on the globe in the genuine example
fonts totally different.
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Thanks for that information. Just when I thought I was doing well at these bars... lol
I'm still pissed at the seller though
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you dodged a bullet.
now you can report him for selling mislabeled (plated isn't on the bar, and as it is it's counterfeiting a real one) ingots and for cancelling the sale without reason
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Ok now for the big question. What’s a real one worth. Ballpark?
Thanks
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@USMC_6115 said:
@rte592 @MsMorrisineThanks for that information. Just when I thought I was doing well at these bars... lol
I'm still pissed at the seller though
I'm starting to worry about your previous purchases
you should probably send them to me for verification
I already know your response.1 -
Quick PSA
Public Service Announcement
Look at the corners on these 2 bars,
Notice the FAKE?
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Sorry a little late to the party but I specialize in vintage and rare silver bars. This one is absolutely fake. I wouldn't purchase any bars from eBay unless it's an established bullion dealer like Apmex. You got lucky not getting this one. These bars are sold by Chinese sellers on dhgate for about $3 a bar. Remember don't buy bullion from random low feedback sellers. Always buy from trusted sellers either locally or online, too many fakes out there.
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Also if you look at his feedback, someone posted that one of these bars he sold was fake and posted a picture of it sticking to a magnet. He even acknowledged that he will refund and send a real one. Highly suspect
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The Chinese have been counterfeiting 1oz gold and silver bars of various designs for several years now. People buy them and sell them at the local flea market and on eBay and similar internet venues. Caveat emptor.
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As far as your order being cancelled, all you can really do is neg him and move on.
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This is the U S Coin Forum.
LCoopie = Les1 -
@lcoopie said:
This is the U S Coin Forum.Thank you for sharing that with us.
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There is also a precious metals forum where this may be interesting.
LCoopie = Les1 -
I think this thread is more about dealing with a bad eBay seller than precious metals per se.
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@Ripnrun said:
Also if you look at his feedback, someone posted that one of these bars he sold was fake and posted a picture of it sticking to a magnet. He even acknowledged that he will refund and send a real one. Highly suspectIf a buyer bought a bar labeled "plate" , he should expect it to stick to a magnet.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
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@jmlanzaf said:
@Ripnrun said:
Also if you look at his feedback, someone posted that one of these bars he sold was fake and posted a picture of it sticking to a magnet. He even acknowledged that he will refund and send a real one. Highly suspectIf a buyer bought a bar labeled "plate" , he should expect it to stick to a magnet.
Just like those bars called German silver. Very misleading.
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@PerryHall said:
@jmlanzaf said:
@Ripnrun said:
Also if you look at his feedback, someone posted that one of these bars he sold was fake and posted a picture of it sticking to a magnet. He even acknowledged that he will refund and send a real one. Highly suspectIf a buyer bought a bar labeled "plate" , he should expect it to stick to a magnet.
Just like those bars called German silver. Very misleading.
To the ignorant, certainly. But it is also accurate.
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@jmlanzaf said:
@Ripnrun said:
Also if you look at his feedback, someone posted that one of these bars he sold was fake and posted a picture of it sticking to a magnet. He even acknowledged that he will refund and send a real one. Highly suspectIf a buyer bought a bar labeled "plate" , he should expect it to stick to a magnet.
Not when the bar says "1 TROY OZ. FINE SILVER .999+" Deception is deception no matter how clever the listing title.
Collector, occasional seller
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Thanks all! Yes this was more about the Ebay question, but I certainly appreciate the education on the bar as well.
I need to figure out how to blow the alengelhard pic up like @MsMorrisine did.
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As stated, obvious Asian fake bar. Wrong fonts. OP dodged a big bullet here. This seller is obviously another dodgy purveyor of Asian bogus material- but unlike most others of his dishonorable ilk, he does clearly state "plate" in his descriptions. This was obviously done merely as an attempt to get him off the hook with eBay as far as potential "not as described" claims are concerned.
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I am no expert on bullion, although I do own some art bars and a couple Engelhard bars from that era. I didn't like the look of that one from the start.
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@ChrisH821 said:
@jmlanzaf said:
@Ripnrun said:
Also if you look at his feedback, someone posted that one of these bars he sold was fake and posted a picture of it sticking to a magnet. He even acknowledged that he will refund and send a real one. Highly suspectIf a buyer bought a bar labeled "plate" , he should expect it to stick to a magnet.
Not when the bar says "1 TROY OZ. FINE SILVER .999+" Deception is deception no matter how clever the listing title.
The OP said that all of his listings said "plate". Hence my comment, which I stand by. You buy anything labeled "plate" and you expect the core to likely be magnetic.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
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@PerryHall said:
As far as your order being cancelled, all you can really do is neg him and move on.I do not think so, order disappears .... the same with returns
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@jmlanzaf said:
The OP said that all of his listings said "plate". Hence my comment, which I stand by. You buy anything labeled "plate" and you expect the core to likely be magnetic.
This. If one buys something clearly described as "plate" in the item description, then one shouldn't be surprised when... gasp... it's plated.
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Yep, must have been a really good deal!
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
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@davewesen said:
@PerryHall said:
As far as your order being cancelled, all you can really do is neg him and move on.I do not think so, order disappears .... the same with returns
I bought a gold coin on eBay several months ago for a very good price and I immediately paid for it. The seller quickly refunded my money and claimed he couldn't find it. I negged him and ruined his perfect feedback. He squealed like a stuck pig.
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