Won an EBay order at a great deal (or so I thought.. ).. seller immediately canceled the order!

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USMC_6115
USMC_6115 Posts: 3,102 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 30, 2024 8:59PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Options? I’ll post a link when I get home.. Just looking for input, thanks all!

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  • ndeagles
    ndeagles Posts: 418 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It's against eBay policy, or it was many years ago. That said, is happened to me several times, want with my time to report them

  • davewesen
    davewesen Posts: 6,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Was it a listing error with BIN price or an auction?

  • dhikewhitney
    dhikewhitney Posts: 532 ✭✭✭✭
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    And that's the problem with great deals on EBAY ...

  • TxCollector
    TxCollector Posts: 489 ✭✭✭✭
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    @USMC_6115 said:
    Options? I’ll post a link when I get home.. Just looking for input, thanks all!

    This is just my own experience so ymmv but I think there isn’t any better outcome. Some sellers are upfront with it and cancel outright while others will claim it’s been lost and make you jump through hoops to get a refund.

  • TrickleCharge
    TrickleCharge Posts: 507 ✭✭✭✭
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    Put it behind you and keep looking forward. There will be other good deals.

  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,088 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    happens to fellow forumites enough to know a few common excuses, and that sometimes there is a legit reason.

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  • rte592
    rte592 Posts: 2,235 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @USMC_6115 said:
    Options? I’ll post a link when I get home.. Just looking for input, thanks all!

    Hold their feet to the fire :D
    eBay is a legal binding contract for both sides.
    Remind the seller and eBay of this...
    Depending on results roast the seller.

  • USMC_6115
    USMC_6115 Posts: 3,102 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 29, 2024 9:14PM
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    Ebay notified.. I'm sure it will go nowhere. For reference is it means anything to anyone:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/196369116666

    Just a note; if you look through the feedback he lists all his bars as "Plate."

    And I'll note his ID here for search purposes: albemarle14

  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,088 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    i'm looking and thinking it's plated foreign fool-ya crap

    will point PM people here

    if it says "plate" why would you think it is not?

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  • MsMorrisine
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  • MsMorrisine
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    to start, outside of some art bars, they all should have a serial number

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  • USMC_6115
    USMC_6115 Posts: 3,102 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 29, 2024 9:40PM
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    @MsMorrisine said:
    i'm looking and thinking it's plated foreign fool-ya crap

    will point PM people here

    if it says "plate" why would you think it is not?

    When you look through his feedback, all of his silver bars sold say "Plate." From Engelhard to JM... I think it is just how he lists them.

    Also, all Engelhard bar do NOT have serial numbers. As a matter fact, some of the more rare bars do not.

  • USMC_6115
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    @TimNH said:
    Why do you think that's a great deal? Looks to me they go for that price all day long.
    https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=1+troy+ounce+.999+engelhard+silver+bar&_sacat=0&rt=nc&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1

    Alengelhard lists that bar as a <2,000 mintage. Please show me how they sell at that price all day long.

  • USMC_6115
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    @davewesen said:
    Was it a listing error with BIN price or an auction?

    Auction.. Went till the end and he canceled it as I was trying to pay for it :(

  • USMC_6115
    USMC_6115 Posts: 3,102 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @jeffas1974 said:

    @USMC_6115 said:
    Options? I’ll post a link when I get home.. Just looking for input, thanks all!

    This is just my own experience so ymmv but I think there isn’t any better outcome. Some sellers are upfront with it and cancel outright while others will claim it’s been lost and make you jump through hoops to get a refund.

    Nope, he claimed I canceled the auction.. not true!

  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,088 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @USMC_6115 said:

    Alengelhard lists that bar as a <2,000 mintage. Please show me how they sell at that price all day long.

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  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,088 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    this one?

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  • USMC_6115
    USMC_6115 Posts: 3,102 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @MsMorrisine said:

    this one?

    Yes

  • Martin
    Martin Posts: 999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @MsMorrisine

    Are you trying to say the eBay bar is a fake?
    The picture you show looks like a different bar. the fonts don’t match

    But if it is a fake bar why cancel the sale?

    I’m a bit confused here

    Martin

  • rte592
    rte592 Posts: 2,235 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 29, 2024 10:07PM
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    USMC.
    That bar is FAKE.

    Look at the corners...way too sharp as in not rounded like the one on ALLENGELHARD.
    Be careful with the bars in the hard plastic holders...that's a good sign of fakes.
    If you can get the seller to honor the deal, make sure you check it out thoroughly.
    Match it up with a known Engelhard outside the case.. weight is probably off also.
    After that get your money back and keep the FAKE bar as an example...cut in half.

  • USMC_6115
    USMC_6115 Posts: 3,102 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 30, 2024 2:29PM
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    @Martin said:
    @MsMorrisine

    Are you trying to say the eBay bar is a fake?
    The picture you show looks like a different bar. the fonts don’t match

    But if it is a fake bar why cancel the sale?

    I’m a bit confused here

    Martin

    I'm confused too.. I was merely asking for Ebay advise for unwarranted cancelation.

  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,088 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    no serial number. ok i screwed that up

    radius of curvature on corners of this genuine one is noticeably larger than in the auction one.

    the "big E" sits lower on the globe in the genuine example

    fonts totally different.

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  • USMC_6115
    USMC_6115 Posts: 3,102 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @rte592 @MsMorrisine

    Thanks for that information. Just when I thought I was doing well at these bars... lol

    I'm still pissed at the seller though :)

  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,088 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    you dodged a bullet.

    now you can report him for selling mislabeled (plated isn't on the bar, and as it is it's counterfeiting a real one) ingots and for cancelling the sale without reason

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  • Martin
    Martin Posts: 999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Ok now for the big question. What’s a real one worth. Ballpark?

    Thanks
    Martin

  • rte592
    rte592 Posts: 2,235 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @USMC_6115 said:
    @rte592 @MsMorrisine

    Thanks for that information. Just when I thought I was doing well at these bars... lol

    I'm still pissed at the seller though :)

    I'm starting to worry about your previous purchases :o you should probably send them to me for verification :D:D:D
    I already know your response.

  • rte592
    rte592 Posts: 2,235 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Quick PSA
    Public Service Announcement
    Look at the corners on these 2 bars,
    Notice the FAKE?

  • rte592
    rte592 Posts: 2,235 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Martin said:
    Ok now for the big question. What’s a real one worth. Ballpark?

    Thanks
    Martin

    Are you buying or selling?
    Check thebay sold listing.
    There are variants, so you have to know what you have.

  • Ripnrun
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    Sorry a little late to the party but I specialize in vintage and rare silver bars. This one is absolutely fake. I wouldn't purchase any bars from eBay unless it's an established bullion dealer like Apmex. You got lucky not getting this one. These bars are sold by Chinese sellers on dhgate for about $3 a bar. Remember don't buy bullion from random low feedback sellers. Always buy from trusted sellers either locally or online, too many fakes out there.

  • Ripnrun
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    Also if you look at his feedback, someone posted that one of these bars he sold was fake and posted a picture of it sticking to a magnet. He even acknowledged that he will refund and send a real one. Highly suspect

  • PerryHall
    PerryHall Posts: 47,760 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The Chinese have been counterfeiting 1oz gold and silver bars of various designs for several years now. People buy them and sell them at the local flea market and on eBay and similar internet venues. Caveat emptor.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • PerryHall
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    As far as your order being cancelled, all you can really do is neg him and move on.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • lcoopie
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    This is the U S Coin Forum.

    LCoopie = Les
  • lcoopie
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    @PerryHall said:

    @lcoopie said:
    This is the U S Coin Forum.

    Thank you for sharing that with us.

    There is also a precious metals forum where this may be interesting.

    LCoopie = Les
  • jmlanzaf
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    @Ripnrun said:
    Also if you look at his feedback, someone posted that one of these bars he sold was fake and posted a picture of it sticking to a magnet. He even acknowledged that he will refund and send a real one. Highly suspect

    If a buyer bought a bar labeled "plate" , he should expect it to stick to a magnet.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

  • PerryHall
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    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Ripnrun said:
    Also if you look at his feedback, someone posted that one of these bars he sold was fake and posted a picture of it sticking to a magnet. He even acknowledged that he will refund and send a real one. Highly suspect

    If a buyer bought a bar labeled "plate" , he should expect it to stick to a magnet.

    Just like those bars called German silver. Very misleading.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • jmlanzaf
    jmlanzaf Posts: 43,066 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @PerryHall said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Ripnrun said:
    Also if you look at his feedback, someone posted that one of these bars he sold was fake and posted a picture of it sticking to a magnet. He even acknowledged that he will refund and send a real one. Highly suspect

    If a buyer bought a bar labeled "plate" , he should expect it to stick to a magnet.

    Just like those bars called German silver. Very misleading.

    To the ignorant, certainly. But it is also accurate.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

  • ChrisH821
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    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Ripnrun said:
    Also if you look at his feedback, someone posted that one of these bars he sold was fake and posted a picture of it sticking to a magnet. He even acknowledged that he will refund and send a real one. Highly suspect

    If a buyer bought a bar labeled "plate" , he should expect it to stick to a magnet.

    Not when the bar says "1 TROY OZ. FINE SILVER .999+" Deception is deception no matter how clever the listing title.

    Collector, occasional seller

  • USMC_6115
    USMC_6115 Posts: 3,102 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 30, 2024 8:13AM
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    Thanks all! Yes this was more about the Ebay question, but I certainly appreciate the education on the bar as well.

    I need to figure out how to blow the alengelhard pic up like @MsMorrisine did.

  • telephoto1
    telephoto1 Posts: 4,966 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    As stated, obvious Asian fake bar. Wrong fonts. OP dodged a big bullet here. This seller is obviously another dodgy purveyor of Asian bogus material- but unlike most others of his dishonorable ilk, he does clearly state "plate" in his descriptions. This was obviously done merely as an attempt to get him off the hook with eBay as far as potential "not as described" claims are concerned.


    RIP Mom- 1932-2012
  • JBK
    JBK Posts: 17,877 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 30, 2024 8:54AM
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    I am no expert on bullion, although I do own some art bars and a couple Engelhard bars from that era. I didn't like the look of that one from the start. :/

  • jmlanzaf
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    @ChrisH821 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Ripnrun said:
    Also if you look at his feedback, someone posted that one of these bars he sold was fake and posted a picture of it sticking to a magnet. He even acknowledged that he will refund and send a real one. Highly suspect

    If a buyer bought a bar labeled "plate" , he should expect it to stick to a magnet.

    Not when the bar says "1 TROY OZ. FINE SILVER .999+" Deception is deception no matter how clever the listing title.

    The OP said that all of his listings said "plate". Hence my comment, which I stand by. You buy anything labeled "plate" and you expect the core to likely be magnetic.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

  • davewesen
    davewesen Posts: 6,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @PerryHall said:
    As far as your order being cancelled, all you can really do is neg him and move on.

    I do not think so, order disappears .... the same with returns

  • telephoto1
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    @jmlanzaf said:

    The OP said that all of his listings said "plate". Hence my comment, which I stand by. You buy anything labeled "plate" and you expect the core to likely be magnetic.

    This. If one buys something clearly described as "plate" in the item description, then one shouldn't be surprised when... gasp... it's plated.


    RIP Mom- 1932-2012
  • Steven59
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    Yep, must have been a really good deal! :D

    "When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"

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