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USPS Priority Box Delivered “Open” UPDATE
Pnies20
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Had a fun little Friday. Was expecting a nice coin in the mail from @Davidk7 that fit into my redbook set.
Went to the mailbox annnnd……
These things happen and it was insured. Looks too perfect to have been from an “accident” but we’ll see. The main point of this post is if you see this coin anywhere, please notify me.
1820/19 sq. Base 2 PCGS AU55
Just for anyone wondering, the seller was fully refunded earlier this week by pirate ship (private insurance)
BHNC #248 … 108 and counting.
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How disappointing. Beautiful bust, will keep an eye out for it.
Also might consider blocking out those 2 addresses.
Torey
I've said for years that PCGS should note the cert# as stolen upon receipt of a police report, so when someone checks the cert it shows up as such. Yes, I know, crack out blah blah blah... But anything helps especially if a non-collector thief not familiar with the cert look-up tries to pass it off.
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What a shame. I have heard multiple dealers claim that the small flat rate boxes have a higher rate of theft.
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
That’s interesting. Any idea why?
BHNC #248 … 108 and counting.
I’ve commented on this before…the small flat rate boxes are being ripped off. Use them only if put inside a USPS mailer bag or large box.
I now tape all corners and edges with reinforced shipping tape whether it is a large express box or a small priority box. I have received several express mail shipments that were obviously abused on purpose. I call it the accidental stomping technique. Without the tape the contents would not have arrived in the boxes.
One dealer has started to put those boxes inside Priority envelope because of issues. I do not know if that helps.
Sorry to see this happen Paul. I hope they do an investigation into this. They obviously know it is one of their own employees that took it.
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A small box can be slipped into a jacket even with cameras and a $50 postage on the label tells everyone small, higher value item is being shipped.
Anything over a few thousand dollars I put a small flat rate box in a medium flat rate, and OCD me, I prefer a kiosk over telling a clerk I want $5,000 insurance.
I believe a private meeting with the postman is in need. Can't believe a postman would deliver such a package.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
Found the below (Email answer...) from a thread but several years old. But yes notify pcgs.
Also don't forget the Num. Crime Info Center (also below).
https://numismaticcrimes.org
Email Answer from PCGS
We would need the Police Report and other information to flag the certs as Stolen in our database. On Cert Verification, the Cert would not be available to view, it would not state that it was a stolen coin. I would recommend not buying coins that cannot be verified on our Verification page. There could be a number of reasons that a cert cannot be verified, being stolen would be one of these.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=2YNufnS_kf4 - Mama I'm coming home ...................................................................................................................................................................... RLJ 1958 - 2023
I am the same regarding insurance.
This particular one was privately insured.
BHNC #248 … 108 and counting.
If using USPS.com, you can do it all from home AND it gives you the option to not show the postage amount. I do this every time.
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MyCollect has a "Report Stolen" link on the left side of the page. That may be a good idea for this one.
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$5 Type Set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/type-sets/half-eagle-type-set-circulation-strikes-1795-1929/album/344192
CBH Set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/everyman-collections/everyman-half-dollars/everyman-capped-bust-half-dollars-1807-1839/album/345572
It's interesting how the tracking provided states the USPS hasn't received the package yet. I'd worry they would somehow
make a claim against the insurance.
peacockcoins
For their sake, I hope not, but I could see the argument. Even if it is outlandish.
BHNC #248 … 108 and counting.
Similar thing happened to me a few years ago. Obvious theft while package in the custody of USPS. Thoroughly disgusting.
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I have yet to have an issue with the small flat rate boxes (kow). I print my labels with stamps.com so it doesn’t show the postage amount. I put the coin in a large ups bubble mailer and fold it up so it fits in the box tight, then I tape EVERY seam and corner. Every square inch of the box has at least one layer tape on it by the time I’m done with it.
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My issue with the small flat rate boxes are when a seller ships items in one, but does not tape the ends. It doesn't take much to open the box if there is no tape. It can either be ripped open easily, or if a tad more care is taken, opened and then reclosed. Seal the ends!
Can the "radio chip" be read from outside the box and then the perp knows what's in the box?
Just say'n.
should be wrapped in tin foil prior to packaging.
bob
For sure and because there wasn’t a postage price listed, I think that may have happened.
BHNC #248 … 108 and counting.
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Very sad. Hopefully the coin is recovered. Will keep an eye out.
When I ship a small FR box, I like to use the USPS priority mail paper sticker to seal the seams and corners shut before going over the paper stickers with packing tape. Like Dan, I don't let it leave unless it is completely taped.
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Source: https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction?qtc_tLabels1=9405536105536868835697
Anyone that sends one of those boxes without being taped up around all the sides is just looking for trouble.
Tape is CHEAP, use it.
Of late coins I have ordered are arriving double boxed with aluminum foil encasing the coin's cardboard shipping packaging.
When I ship I trust only USPS Registered Mail.
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/gold/liberty-head-2-1-gold-major-sets/liberty-head-2-1-gold-basic-set-circulation-strikes-1840-1907-cac/alltimeset/268163
Serious question, NOT snark.
The USPS has a defined process for filing a domestic insurance claim. In the case of "missing contents", this process requires the addressee to "retain the mailing container", and to produce it upon request.
"What is proof of damage?" @ https://faq.usps.com/s/article/Domestic-Claims-The-Basics#what_is_proof_of_damage
Given the structure of their claims process, isn't the USPS carrier supposed to deliver the 'damaged/empty' package to the recipient in order to enable a claim? If the carrier did not do this, the addressee would not have the "proof of damage" required for a claim.
Reinforced fiber tape is the way to go - the kind that has to be moistened to get the adhesive to stick. Once that stuff dries it is like IRON, relatively speaking. All corners, seams and anything that could be deemed a weak spot benefit from this security measure. I have, on occasion, sent small flat rate Priority boxes completely enclosed in the stuff.
Forget the postman/carrier, he's probably a nice guy. I'd be jumping on the Post Masters desk!
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
The bigger problem is that the sender and recipient will not be able to file a claim if there are no scans.
But it is scanned delivered, isn't it?
I won't use those flat rate boxes for anything of value... I've heard too many stories of them disappearing! If I ever do, it's going to be taped with the fiber tape, that's for sure!
Such a painful loss... that looks like a stunner of a bust!
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Only way to go is a box in a box….it can’t be a quick bust and grab…..
I have sent several hundred dollar coins in 3" tubes. No one thinks of tubes as having items of value, merely pictures, photos, maps and other paper products. I've done this several times and although I have never had an item lost, stolen or destroyed, by many different shipping methods, I feel this is a safer way than boxes to ship items. JMO
Jim
edited to add: Of course the postman is at fault, why would any postman deliver a package with the side ripped out of the box and the box empty. Also, the final distributor of this item.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
@MWallace
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
You should be able to get the $100 insurance honored plus cost of shipping.
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I was receiving the package.
The seller had private insurance and is already working to get their money back.
BHNC #248 … 108 and counting.
Why not? The package, with the comments “damaged” and “without contents” will help him with his claim.
It's good he had private insurance and was not "self-insured". Additionally usps should pay out; I don't think the private insurance would negate a usps claim as well.
Good luck with that, I went out of the country and had a mail hold. While being held at the regional facility I had a 50k check show up which I could prove because I get photo deliver notices from USPS. When I come to claim my mail they said I had picked it up all ready and gave me my mail from the day after the check came to that point. I told them I had just got back in the country yesterday so that was impossible beside the fact if you come and pick up your mail it ends the hold but yet they still had 10 days of my mail surprisingly starting the day after a large check was accepted.
I escalated to the plant manager and the regional postal inspected. I just got a bunch of feds who could have cared less. The inspector said they only really care if registered mail goes missing. I told him it was clearly a worker who stole it and he laughed and I never heard from them again.
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
You are right Cap. Dumb me did not see the damage tag. Sorry Mr. Postman. Mail sorters do not have the time to look over boxes, if the damage was pointing the other direction when they slide it into the next spot, they would never see it or perhaps care. Who knows.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
Did somebody successfully cash the check?
You can't make 2 insurance claims on the same item.
Not sure if any one of the other posts mentioned this ... but please file a police report and report it as stolen. PCGS advised me before they will not take any action with the Cert number unless they have a police report.
I don’t know as it was a check from the gov . I think it was because it took months to get another cut and at first they said the matter was closed but with no details. We had to get our congressman involved and eventually got another one cut. About a year later a major arrest sting went though that post office for stealing checks and I like to think that they were all vague with me due to an active investigation but I’ll never know.
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
Why not? At the very least usps needs to refund the postage, now up to around $10. Why would a filing of private insurance nullify claims with usps?
I fell bad that is a hell of of bust half, GL
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
Thanks. Really hoping it’s found. It filled a very lonely spot in my red book set!
BHNC #248 … 108 and counting.
This upset me so much. Hopefully they find it, or find the thief.
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I had one that was delivered this month, ripped open on one of the ends that was taped. Nothing was missing since it was only a charger for my MacBook. It also took 7 days to arrive from only 200 miles away.
recent story here:
Jacksonville Postal Service Employee Indicted For Stealing From The Mail
Monday, April 8, 2024
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For Immediate Release
U.S. Attorney's Office, Middle District of Florida
Jacksonville, Florida – United States Attorney Roger B. Handberg announces the return of an indictment charging Rekisha Duckworth (43, Jacksonville) with embezzlement of an article contained in the U.S. Mail by a U.S. Postal Service employee. If convicted, Duckworth faces a maximum penalty of five years in federal prison.
According to the indictment, on March 1, 2023, Duckworth, who was an employee of the U.S. Postal Service, stole from a mail item a retail store gift card and a bracelet. The mail item had come into her possession because it had been sent via U.S. Mail.
An indictment is merely a formal charge that a defendant has committed one or more violations of federal criminal law, and every defendant is presumed innocent unless, and until, proven guilty.
This case was investigated by the United States Postal Service – Office of Inspector General. It will be prosecuted by Assistant United States Attorney Laura Cofer Taylor.
WAIT?
Why not the shipper paid for the postage and that included the insurance.
Nowhere does it state?? That the Post office should not pay the insurance claim.