@jmlanzaf said:
AU details. Looks like it was stripped which is why the surface looks porous.
My thoughts exactly. Looks like it sat in dip for wayyyyyy too long.
It was probably darkly toned. In an attempt to brighten it up they either sat or in dip or straight acid. That'll remove the toning and the surface and leaves the surface porous.
As a long time ANA member, I took the counterfeit detection course as a correspondence course about 20 years ago. It came with a soft cover book full of pictures and text and was well worth the effort. I'm not sure if the ANA grading course is also available as a correspondence course but if it is, it's well worth the effort.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
The Type I Silver Three Cent piece was 75% silver and 25% copper. The coin often does not tone well, and it is prone to spots. I have seen Mint State graded pieces that had ugly black toning spots. They were of little interest to me.
The OP coin appears to have been over dipped or "fried." It looks like the surfaces are granular. As such, I don't think that it would get a straight grade from a legitimate grading service.
Another possibility is that the photos have had the "sharpen" button hit too many times when the pictures were processed. This causes the digital photos to look grainy.
Here is an MS-66 I have in my collection.
Here is another one that NGC graded MS-64.
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@BillJones
I know that many 1852 3¢ Silver pieces had the upper portion of the shield adornment fairly weak, but yours shows no adornment at all. Not familar with 3¢ Silver, is that an attribution type or error? Just curious.
Jim
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@jesbroken said: @BillJones
I know that many 1852 3¢ Silver pieces had the upper portion of the shield adornment fairly weak, but yours shows no adornment at all. Not familar with 3¢ Silver, is that an attribution type or error? Just curious.
Jim
It’s just weak striking. If you have ever handled one of these coins outside a slab, you would see that these coins are about as thick as a thick piece of paper. To strike these coins perfectly, the calibration of the coin press has to be perfect.
I bought this piece based upon originally and eye appeal.
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Second the UNC Details grade above. If you look at the big C on the reverse, you still have the tiny detail outlines on the edge. Those are almost fin thickness and are the first bit of detail to be lost to wear.
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@MsMorrisine said:
can vouchers even be used for crossovers, ignoring the crossover vs raw statements?
It would appear so.
“The Collectors Club voucher may be applied to either the Regular Standard or Gold Shield service. You may submit your coins for either Raw, Crossover, Regrade or Reconsideration service.”
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A three cent silver.
Hard to say, lighting is a bit bright.
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You claim to be an expert in your mind what do you think it is ?
What did you buy it at, guess reading books on subject is too much effort on your part.
Damaged. Your pics suck, nobody can grade with any accuracy with those pics.
bob
You need a better camera.
AU details. Looks like it was stripped which is why the surface looks porous.
PCGS 64
MS-68
Neither funny nor helpful.
From the pic it appears cleaned UNC details. With that pic that’s my best guess
It's a little funny.
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My thoughts exactly. Looks like it sat in dip for wayyyyyy too long.
Having fun while switching things up and focusing on a next level PCGS slabbed 1950+ type set, while still looking for great examples for the 7070.
Neither funny nor helpful. > @Jacques_Loungecoque said:
It was probably darkly toned. In an attempt to brighten it up they either sat or in dip or straight acid. That'll remove the toning and the surface and leaves the surface porous.
Except the OP will take it as confirmation. He's a kid. He's salvageable.
Finn
That is why I offered to send you to an ANA seminar.
But you are the expert.
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You're a good educator. I'm way too sarcastic and unforgiving to do that.
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I do want an ANA seminar but I don't know how to join a coin club/ work for a coin dealer.
I will try to do as you said though
And I'm too cynical.
As a long time ANA member, I took the counterfeit detection course as a correspondence course about 20 years ago. It came with a soft cover book full of pictures and text and was well worth the effort. I'm not sure if the ANA grading course is also available as a correspondence course but if it is, it's well worth the effort.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
Agreed.
First lesson: guises are bad.
Second lesson: there are smarter people who can sniff out a scheme.
Third lesson: coins.
AU cleaned at best. Probably a circ that was dipped.
Like the girlfriend's dad sizing him up for the prom date.
People observe, judge, and form a lasting opinion.
The opinion follows you.
There are no short cuts yet he's just keeps digging that hole to nowhere.
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The Type I Silver Three Cent piece was 75% silver and 25% copper. The coin often does not tone well, and it is prone to spots. I have seen Mint State graded pieces that had ugly black toning spots. They were of little interest to me.
The OP coin appears to have been over dipped or "fried." It looks like the surfaces are granular. As such, I don't think that it would get a straight grade from a legitimate grading service.
Another possibility is that the photos have had the "sharpen" button hit too many times when the pictures were processed. This causes the digital photos to look grainy.
Here is an MS-66 I have in my collection.
Here is another one that NGC graded MS-64.
@BillJones
I know that many 1852 3¢ Silver pieces had the upper portion of the shield adornment fairly weak, but yours shows no adornment at all. Not familar with 3¢ Silver, is that an attribution type or error? Just curious.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
It’s just weak striking. If you have ever handled one of these coins outside a slab, you would see that these coins are about as thick as a thick piece of paper. To strike these coins perfectly, the calibration of the coin press has to be perfect.
I bought this piece based upon originally and eye appeal.
i reserve judgment pending better pics. needs better lighting. also, go all the way out to include the rim
To be fair, you paid yourself $10 to grade this coin, so you owe it to yourself to tell yourself what the grade is.
I think it could may be slightly silver, fwiw, cleaned as well buts only 3 cents
You cab figure it out
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Second the UNC Details grade above. If you look at the big C on the reverse, you still have the tiny detail outlines on the edge. Those are almost fin thickness and are the first bit of detail to be lost to wear.
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AU58 - the peaks of the star arms on the left above the date show a darker color indicative of rub
a toned example ... PCGS62
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Sorry, but an attractive mint state example of a Type 3 date has virtually nothing to do with the coin in the first post.😉
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It's aspirational.
Referencing the thread title: "i" before "e" except after "c".
can vouchers even be used for crossovers, ignoring the crossover vs raw statements?
It would appear so.
“The Collectors Club voucher may be applied to either the Regular Standard or Gold Shield service. You may submit your coins for either Raw, Crossover, Regrade or Reconsideration service.”
A really good start would be to view all the PCGS grading videos on Youtube.
The easiest and free place to start for sure!
https://www.the4thcoin.com
https://www.ebay.com/str/thefourthcoin
I have also come across grading challenges.
THOSE... are some humbling videos.
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