This is like hitting two moving targets, the assigned grade and the CAC pronouncement.
You give the grade and ask if you think CAC will like it.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
@BillJones said:
This is like hitting two moving targets, the assigned grade and the CAC pronouncement.
You give the grade and ask if you think CAC will like it.
I like to keep you on your toes, Bill. Guess the grade and then I'll tell you whether CAC liked it. : )
Guessing the grade incorrectly makes the second part (whether CAC stickered it) moot.
You might as well also ask people to guess how “long ago” the coin was bought.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@BillJones said:
This is like hitting two moving targets, the assigned grade and the CAC pronouncement.
You give the grade and ask if you think CAC will like it.
I like to keep you on your toes, Bill. Guess the grade and then I'll tell you whether CAC liked it. : )
Guessing the grade incorrectly makes the second part (whether CAC stickered it) moot.
You might as well also ask people to guess how “long ago” the coin was bought.
Yes, that is true, Mark. But, if I told you the grade, it makes it easier for you to guess whether it received a sticker or not. A submitter to CAC doesn't know whether a coin will fail because of the grade or ....
@DisneyFan said “But, if I told you the grade, it makes it easier for you to guess whether it received a sticker or not.”
That must be a big hint! 🤔
So, probably it didn’t CAC?
Maybe because of the AU/MS differential? From the image it’s totally impossible to judge if it is AU or MS, but I’ll guess it graded MS63. I think it’s an attractive coin but the reeding and other marks on Boone’s cheek limit the grade.
@BillJones said:
This is like hitting two moving targets, the assigned grade and the CAC pronouncement.
You give the grade and ask if you think CAC will like it.
I like to keep you on your toes, Bill. Guess the grade and then I'll tell you whether CAC liked it. : )
Guessing the grade incorrectly makes the second part (whether CAC stickered it) moot.
You might as well also ask people to guess how “long ago” the coin was bought.
Yes, that is true, Mark. But, if I told you the grade, it makes it easier for you to guess whether it received a sticker or not. A submitter to CAC doesn't know whether a coin will fail because of the grade or ....
At least a submitter knows the assigned grade, so has some basis for guessing whether the coin will sticker. And even knowing the grade, a lot of people still have a very hard time predicting correctly.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Thank you to the brave souls who took the challenge.
For the record this coin was bought in 2009 from one of the top dealers in the country. The dealer's description of the coin was "Very nice example of this scarce commemorative issue. This coin has even golden toning on both sides, with pretty pastel hues on the obverse rims."
It did not pass CAC. Now guess why.
I will share the answer. I asked CAC and they were kind enough to explain why it did not pass.
P.S. This post is not intended to bash anyone. It is intended to be educational.
@DisneyFan said:
Thank you to the brave souls who took the challenge.
For the record this coin was bought in 2009 from one of the top dealers in the country. The dealer's description of the coin was "Very nice example of this scarce commemorative issue. This coin has even golden toning on both sides, with pretty pastel hues on the obverse rims."
It did not pass CAC. Now guess why.
I will share the answer. I asked CAC and they were kind enough to explain why it did not pass.
P.S. This post is not intended to bash anyone. It is intended to be educational.
I think CAC saw a light rub, which is common for the coin. It’s hard to one that is accurately graded.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
Here's the one in my collection. Unfortunately that dark spot is from improper dipping, and it it has gotten worse. Otherwise, the coin was an MS-64, as graded.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
@BillJones said:
Here's the one in my collection. Unfortunately that dark spot is from improper dipping, and it it has gotten worse. Otherwise, the coin was an MS-64, as graded.
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58 CAC
63 cac
64 no CAC
MS63 CAC.
Young Numismatist, Coin Photographer.
63 no cac
This is like hitting two moving targets, the assigned grade and the CAC pronouncement.
You give the grade and ask if you think CAC will like it.
64, yes CAC green
I like to keep you on your toes, Bill. Guess the grade and then I'll tell you whether CAC liked it. : )
58 cac
In the 58 CAC group.
Jim
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63, and I'll say CAC approved.
63
64
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55CAC or 58 NOCAC.
62 no CAC
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64 CAC
62 no CAC
Having fun while switching things up and focusing on a next level PCGS slabbed 1950+ type set, while still looking for great examples for the 7070.
Are you as satisfied with the coin as when you got it long ago ? I hope so. 64 and JA agrees. If not , is it for the market or the upgrade ?
Guessing the grade incorrectly makes the second part (whether CAC stickered it) moot.
You might as well also ask people to guess how “long ago” the coin was bought.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
63
Yes, that is true, Mark. But, if I told you the grade, it makes it easier for you to guess whether it received a sticker or not. A submitter to CAC doesn't know whether a coin will fail because of the grade or ....
58 CAC
@DisneyFan said “But, if I told you the grade, it makes it easier for you to guess whether it received a sticker or not.”
That must be a big hint! 🤔
So, probably it didn’t CAC?
Maybe because of the AU/MS differential? From the image it’s totally impossible to judge if it is AU or MS, but I’ll guess it graded MS63. I think it’s an attractive coin but the reeding and other marks on Boone’s cheek limit the grade.
At least a submitter knows the assigned grade, so has some basis for guessing whether the coin will sticker. And even knowing the grade, a lot of people still have a very hard time predicting correctly.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I like it, I see 63 here easily - that green bean is another matter, hard to tell from a gtg thread.
Thank you to the brave souls who took the challenge.
For the record this coin was bought in 2009 from one of the top dealers in the country. The dealer's description of the coin was "Very nice example of this scarce commemorative issue. This coin has even golden toning on both sides, with pretty pastel hues on the obverse rims."
It did not pass CAC. Now guess why.
I will share the answer. I asked CAC and they were kind enough to explain why it did not pass.
P.S. This post is not intended to bash anyone. It is intended to be educational.
My guess is CAC saw it as over graded.
No
I'll say the same thing that led to my guess of 58...I think I see some rub.
I'm going to guess they had concerns over the right obverse field.
maybe a bad rinse after a dip?
I like the toning. I will guess rub on obverse high points.
Nice coin by the way. These can tone up nicely.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
Rub
When CAC was reviewing my coins, most of the negatives were "cleaned, long ago." There were a few PVC's too.
I think CAC saw a light rub, which is common for the coin. It’s hard to one that is accurately graded.
Marks on the rim- reverse 5:00 to 7:00?
peacockcoins
Here's the one in my collection. Unfortunately that dark spot is from improper dipping, and it it has gotten worse. Otherwise, the coin was an MS-64, as graded.
Thank you for posting that, Bill.
I'll go with "Not MS64" as the reason for the fail.
Young Numismatist, Coin Photographer.
This one seems to happen a lot
"old cleaning"
Mike
My Indians
Danco Set
Old cleaning/dip and retoned?
PVC. Otherwise, solid for the grade - MS64.
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Thank you again everyone for participating.