Missouri 50c 2X4 - Final Reveal.

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DisneyFan
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edited March 17, 2024 10:12AM in U.S. Coin Forum

This coin was bought long ago.

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  • lermish
    lermish Posts: 4,998 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    58 CAC

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  • AlanSki
    AlanSki Posts: 1,990 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    63 cac

  • cheezhed
    cheezhed Posts: 6,405 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64 no CAC

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  • FlyingAl
    FlyingAl Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS63 CAC.

  • johnny9434
    johnny9434 Posts: 34,050 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    63 no cac

  • originalisbest
    originalisbest Posts: 5,971 ✭✭✭✭
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    64, yes CAC green

  • DisneyFan
    DisneyFan Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @BillJones said:
    This is like hitting two moving targets, the assigned grade and the CAC pronouncement.

    You give the grade and ask if you think CAC will like it.

    I like to keep you on your toes, Bill. Guess the grade and then I'll tell you whether CAC liked it. : )

  • DMWJR
    DMWJR Posts: 6,102 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    58 cac

    Doug
  • jesbroken
    jesbroken Posts: 11,252 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    In the 58 CAC group.
    Jim


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  • relicsncoins
    relicsncoins Posts: 8,301 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    63, and I'll say CAC approved.

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  • jughead1893
    jughead1893 Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    63

  • asheland
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  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,085 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    55CAC or 58 NOCAC.

  • Davidk7
    Davidk7 Posts: 675 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    62 no CAC

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  • Pnies20
    Pnies20 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    😑

    BHNC #248 … 140 and counting.

  • mtn_scout
    mtn_scout Posts: 105 ✭✭✭
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    64 CAC

  • Jacques_Loungecoque
    Jacques_Loungecoque Posts: 733 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    62 no CAC

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  • TwoSides2aCoin
    TwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,216 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Are you as satisfied with the coin as when you got it long ago ? I hope so. 64 and JA agrees. If not , is it for the market or the upgrade ?

  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    63

  • DisneyFan
    DisneyFan Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @MFeld said:

    @DisneyFan said:

    @BillJones said:
    This is like hitting two moving targets, the assigned grade and the CAC pronouncement.

    You give the grade and ask if you think CAC will like it.

    I like to keep you on your toes, Bill. Guess the grade and then I'll tell you whether CAC liked it. : )

    Guessing the grade incorrectly makes the second part (whether CAC stickered it) moot.
    You might as well also ask people to guess how “long ago” the coin was bought.

    Yes, that is true, Mark. But, if I told you the grade, it makes it easier for you to guess whether it received a sticker or not. A submitter to CAC doesn't know whether a coin will fail because of the grade or ....

  • Goldbully
    Goldbully Posts: 18,557 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    58 CAC

  • Higashiyama
    Higashiyama Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @DisneyFan said “But, if I told you the grade, it makes it easier for you to guess whether it received a sticker or not.”

    That must be a big hint! 🤔

    So, probably it didn’t CAC?

    Maybe because of the AU/MS differential? From the image it’s totally impossible to judge if it is AU or MS, but I’ll guess it graded MS63. I think it’s an attractive coin but the reeding and other marks on Boone’s cheek limit the grade.

    Higashiyama
  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,131 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @DisneyFan said:

    @MFeld said:

    @DisneyFan said:

    @BillJones said:
    This is like hitting two moving targets, the assigned grade and the CAC pronouncement.

    You give the grade and ask if you think CAC will like it.

    I like to keep you on your toes, Bill. Guess the grade and then I'll tell you whether CAC liked it. : )

    Guessing the grade incorrectly makes the second part (whether CAC stickered it) moot.
    You might as well also ask people to guess how “long ago” the coin was bought.

    Yes, that is true, Mark. But, if I told you the grade, it makes it easier for you to guess whether it received a sticker or not. A submitter to CAC doesn't know whether a coin will fail because of the grade or ....

    At least a submitter knows the assigned grade, so has some basis for guessing whether the coin will sticker. And even knowing the grade, a lot of people still have a very hard time predicting correctly.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • marcmoish
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    I like it, I see 63 here easily - that green bean is another matter, hard to tell from a gtg thread.

  • Walkerguy21D
    Walkerguy21D Posts: 12,164 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    My guess is CAC saw it as over graded.

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  • Cougar1978
    Cougar1978 Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No

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  • lermish
    lermish Posts: 4,998 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'll say the same thing that led to my guess of 58...I think I see some rub.

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  • Catbert
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    I'm going to guess they had concerns over the right obverse field.

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  • tcollects
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    maybe a bad rinse after a dip?

  • breakdown
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    I like the toning. I will guess rub on obverse high points.
    Nice coin by the way. These can tone up nicely.

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  • cheezhed
    cheezhed Posts: 6,405 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Rub

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  • BryceM
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    When CAC was reviewing my coins, most of the negatives were "cleaned, long ago." There were a few PVC's too. :)

  • BillJones
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    @DisneyFan said:
    Thank you to the brave souls who took the challenge.

    For the record this coin was bought in 2009 from one of the top dealers in the country. The dealer's description of the coin was "Very nice example of this scarce commemorative issue. This coin has even golden toning on both sides, with pretty pastel hues on the obverse rims."

    It did not pass CAC. Now guess why.

    I will share the answer. I asked CAC and they were kind enough to explain why it did not pass.

    P.S. This post is not intended to bash anyone. It is intended to be educational.

    I think CAC saw a light rub, which is common for the coin. It’s hard to one that is accurately graded.

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  • braddick
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    Marks on the rim- reverse 5:00 to 7:00?

  • BillJones
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    Here's the one in my collection. Unfortunately that dark spot is from improper dipping, and it it has gotten worse. Otherwise, the coin was an MS-64, as graded.

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  • DisneyFan
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    @BillJones said:
    Here's the one in my collection. Unfortunately that dark spot is from improper dipping, and it it has gotten worse. Otherwise, the coin was an MS-64, as graded.

    Thank you for posting that, Bill.

  • FlyingAl
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    I'll go with "Not MS64" as the reason for the fail.

  • alaura22
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    This one seems to happen a lot
    "old cleaning"

  • 1madman
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    It did not pass CAC. Now guess why.

    Old cleaning/dip and retoned?

  • DisneyFan
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    PVC. Otherwise, solid for the grade - MS64.

    Appreciated reading the observations from:

    @Higashiyama said:
    I think it’s an attractive coin but the reeding and other marks on Boone’s cheek limit the grade.

    @BryceM said:
    When CAC was reviewing my coins, most of the negatives were "cleaned, long ago." There were a few PVC's too. : )

    @BillJones said:
    Here's the one in my collection. Unfortunately that dark spot is from improper dipping, and it it has gotten worse.

    @BillJones also said:
    It’s hard to [find] one that is accurately graded.

    @1madman said:
    Old cleaning/dip and retoned?

    Thank you again everyone for participating.

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