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1885-O Morgan GTG- Revealed

Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited November 16, 2023 10:49AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Take a shot at grading this beauty.

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    TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,896 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66 PL, Very Nice Morgan $.

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    LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From these pics...67, possible 67+

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    World67World67 Posts: 13,088 ✭✭✭✭✭

    67

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    justindanjustindan Posts: 937 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66+

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    MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 9,247 ✭✭✭✭✭

    looks very clean. 66+ sounds about right.

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    ElKevvoElKevvo Posts: 4,198 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is a nice example...I'll go with 67.

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    U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭✭✭

    67+

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    ajaanajaan Posts: 17,934 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66


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    Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66

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    PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 6,108 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66

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    Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll give you a tip.
    It's definetly PL in my opinion. I have an 85-O PL and it's a match but it did not receive the PL designation (huge disappointment that leaves me scratching my head).

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    privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,796 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66pl

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    scotty4449scotty4449 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks just about pristine from those pics, I say 67.

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    ELVIS1ELVIS1 Posts: 484 ✭✭✭✭

    68

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    PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 4,849 ✭✭✭✭✭

    67

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    psuman08psuman08 Posts: 426 ✭✭✭✭

    66

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 32,330 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66

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    ApplejacksApplejacks Posts: 384 ✭✭✭

    66 and fantastic!

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    mattnissmattniss Posts: 836 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful coin. Going with 66 as my guess. The couple of small scuffs / dings in front of Liberty's nose and mouth, the rim ding on the reverse at 3 o'clock, and what could be a small fingerprint near the date on the obverse likely holds it back from 67 IMO.

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66 or 66+ depending on when graded.

    Prooflike depends on how deep the mirrors go. It may be close but not deep enough. It also has to be bothe sides.

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    CryptoCrypto Posts: 4,098 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66 DMPL

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    nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,902 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’ve got a 66 and yours is much nicer!
    I’m thinking 67+

    Great looking coin with some lovely cameo!

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    Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No point in continuing with the pain. Coin is severely undergraded. I wouldn't have had such high expectations for it. I thought it was minimum a 66 and still do.

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    coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow, that was unexpected. Didn't vote but thought 66. Do you think the fingerprint on obverse knocked it down.

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,916 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you download the full sized image from the TrueView page and enlarge you are able to see more contact marks. ;)

    I tried to upload it here but my computer or the forum software is reducing the size of the image. :/

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    DropdaflagDropdaflag Posts: 810 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sorry! Late to the party. I looked up the full res image. By image alone it's still, by far, the best "65" I have seen. I would think 66+. Nice and a definite keeper.

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    ELVIS1ELVIS1 Posts: 484 ✭✭✭✭

    Thats a kick in the whohaas..

    Love the reverse

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    ELVIS1ELVIS1 Posts: 484 ✭✭✭✭

    @ifthevamzarockin said:
    If you download the full sized image from the TrueView page and enlarge you are able to see more contact marks. ;)

    I tried to upload it here but my computer or the forum software is reducing the size of the image. :/

    I did and blew it up 400 percent on my 40inch. Min 66plus IMO.

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    ELVIS1ELVIS1 Posts: 484 ✭✭✭✭


    Focal point is pristine.

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    Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So now you know how I feel. I submitted 8 coins using my vouchers. I am not happy. I focus on Morgan's. I've come to know them pretty well. I'm no professional but I have seen enough and own enough to know what's what. I'll just leave it at that.

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    Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's another 1885-O I own that's PL. It's also a 65.
    Just doesn't add up in my mind.

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    AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What grading tier did you submit it under? Send it back in for reconsideration and see what happens.

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    Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I used my membership vouchers. I'm not even going to talk about the other 7 Morgan's.
    I may send a few back for reconsideration but you know that cost money too.
    I'm beside myself today.

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    coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Or send to CAC for potential Gold sticker

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    Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coastaljerseyguy said:
    Or send to CAC for potential Gold sticker

    That sounds like a better idea.
    Man I couldn't believe it when I saw the grades. I felt like I had a service done by someone who doesn't like me and I have no idea who grades for pcgs.

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    ELVIS1ELVIS1 Posts: 484 ✭✭✭✭

    @Morgan13 said:
    I used my membership vouchers. I'm not even going to talk about the other 7 Morgan's.
    I may send a few back for reconsideration but you know that cost money too.
    I'm beside myself today.

    Give them a chance to make it right or at least explain.

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    Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ELVIS1 said:

    @Morgan13 said:
    I used my membership vouchers. I'm not even going to talk about the other 7 Morgan's.
    I may send a few back for reconsideration but you know that cost money too.
    I'm beside myself today.

    Give them a chance to make it right or at least explain.

    I talked to PCGS on the phone. Honestly it's a waste of time. They don't explain. You talk to a customer service representative not a grader. No chance of an explanation. No chance.

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    RobertScotLoverRobertScotLover Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well unfortunately u paid for an opinion and received it, now I would send it to CAC and see if they can give it the gold

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    FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it's close to a 67, without the reverse rim ding.

    They may have netted it rather than detailing it for that.

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    LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 16, 2023 4:55PM

    Tell ya' what,... I'll give you the Full PCGS Price Guide Value right now so you don't ever have to see this coin again to be reminded of any bad experiences with her. :#

    See?, I'm a nice guy :p

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    stockdude_stockdude_ Posts: 550 ✭✭✭✭

    Maybe you need the right dealer to submit it? ;)

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    PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 4,849 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FlyingAl said:
    I think it's close to a 67, without the reverse rim ding.

    They may have netted it rather than detailing it for that.

    Ahh I missed that rim ding with my first guess, that could be the culprit.

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    PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 4,849 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If the grade don’t fit…you must resubmit!

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    alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Morgan13 said:
    No point in continuing with the pain. Coin is severely undergraded. I wouldn't have had such high expectations for it. I thought it was minimum a 66 and still do.

    I'm a buyer if you want to sell it to me :)
    The 1st thing I would do is crack it out and send it in
    They totally missed it with this one, sorry

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    coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 12,453 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My first though before seeing the grade was MS66.

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    ELVIS1ELVIS1 Posts: 484 ✭✭✭✭

    I would send them back and send these pics with it

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    coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 12,453 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ELVIS1 said:
    I would send them back and send these pics with it!

    You can send all the photos in the world they will not reach the graders. You might feel better but it is a useless thing to do.

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    ELVIS1ELVIS1 Posts: 484 ✭✭✭✭

    @coinbuf said:

    @ELVIS1 said:
    I would send them back and send these pics with it!

    You can send all the photos in the world they will not reach the graders. You might feel better but it is a useless thing to do.

    Then tell them to upgrade their photos for grading because those are the pics for Ms 66 on their own website that they use to show just what they expect for the grade.
    https://pcgs.com/grades

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    tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,608 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 16, 2023 8:33PM

    I see some issues on the good pic

    Cuts left obverse field and what appears to be thumbing to the right of the date

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    coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 12,453 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ELVIS1 said:

    @coinbuf said:

    @ELVIS1 said:
    I would send them back and send these pics with it!

    You can send all the photos in the world they will not reach the graders. You might feel better but it is a useless thing to do.

    Then tell them to upgrade their photos for grading because those are the pics for Ms 66 on their own website that they use to show just what they expect for the grade.
    https://pcgs.com/grades

    I have no dog in the fight, just pointing out that wasting your (or anyone's) time sending photos is a useless exercise. Again you might feel better but it won't change anything. TPG's do not have grading standards, they hand out opinions, and opinions can and do change with the wind.

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