GTG - REVEALED One of the Trickiest Morgans I've Ever Seen

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FlyingAl
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edited September 24, 2023 1:27PM in U.S. Coin Forum

I was contacted recently by a well established collector who wishes to remain anonymous who wanted me to image this particular piece. I was given permission to do a GTG, so good luck!

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  • PeakRarities
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    68+

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  • 1madman
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    66

  • HillbillyCollector
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    edited September 23, 2023 7:25PM
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    Wow, the luster pops on that baby!
    Edited to add: after another look, I’m going with 67-67+.
    Great looking coin!

  • FlyingAl
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    @DeplorableDan said:
    Nevermind, I see that the top pop is 67+ so I want to change my guess to that

    This was recently holdered, so the pops may or may not be current.

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    @FlyingAl said:

    @DeplorableDan said:
    Nevermind, I see that the top pop is 67+ so I want to change my guess to that

    This was recently holdered, so the pops may or may not be current.

    Well, like @MFeld my initial impression was "better than 67+", so if that's a possibility I would keep it at 68+. I don't even see a hit or a hairline on the coin anywhere, and it looks like its screaming with luster. I don't know what would hold it back from 68 unless it was graded 30 years ago or if the images were deceptive.

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  • U1chicago
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    MS 67...the picture looks like a 68 but I'm hedging (plus this isn't a date you tend to see even in 67 let alone higher)

  • relicsncoins
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    edited September 23, 2023 7:36PM
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    Very nice, I'll go 68. Edited to add, I didn't see 67+ was the highest grade for that date.

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  • coinbuf
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    edited September 23, 2023 7:45PM
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    67+ But my gut tells me that this is one of those trick questions the op is known for. ;)

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  • ifthevamzarockin
    ifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I want to say 67 or 67+ because of the date/mint but based on the photos I don't see any reason it shouldn't be a 68.

    I'm going to say 68

  • Eldorado9
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    67+ cac

  • 1madman
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    @MFeld said:

    @1madman said:
    66

    Why so low?
    I’ll go with 67+, and would have guessed higher if any had graded higher.

    Cheek looks weird, like rubbed with a sock? I’ve seen this look on gold before and it normally deducts 1 point. Reverse eagle has a few problems/ticks as well. The somewhat strange lighting in the photo doesn’t help.

    Pops are updated every working weekday at around midnight pacific time, so unless this thing was graded and returned and photographed on a Saturday, current pops should be accurate.

  • jesbroken
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    With that eye appeal it has to be a plus, so I will agree with 68+. Wow, what a gorgeous Morgan.
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  • Rollerman
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    Without reading the replies, I thought the image looked like a MS68, so will stay with that.

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  • scubafuel
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    It looks kissed by anacs.

  • marcmoish
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    67+ beaned, yes!

  • alaura22
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    @FlyingAl said:

    @DeplorableDan said:
    Nevermind, I see that the top pop is 67+ so I want to change my guess to that

    This was recently holdered, so the pops may or may not be current.

    With that said I'm going MS68
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    You are right on, not a mark to be found

  • steve76020
    steve76020 Posts: 367 ✭✭✭
    edited September 23, 2023 8:25PM
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    67 with cac sticker

  • AUandAG
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    68 or even better.
    Damn that is stellar!

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  • ChrisH821
    ChrisH821 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    67+, that's a super nice one!

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  • privatecoin
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    Ms67

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  • skier07
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    That’s a WOWSER.

  • SanctionII
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    67.

  • Mr_Spud
    Mr_Spud Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    68+

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  • Jacques_Loungecoque
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    Altered Surfaces

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  • mattniss
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    Going to guess 67+. Man, that is absolutely worthy of the statement "one of the nicest Morgans I've ever seen"!

  • Morgan13
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    That is a superb Morgan Dollar. I would guess the grade to be 69.
    The only miniscule marks I could find were in the right and left laurel leaves. You wouldn't see them with the naked eye.
    This is one stunner of a coin.

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  • cameonut2011
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    My gut is that this is a trick post and there is a microscopic patch of hairlines we can’t see in the photo. That could also just be my cynicism.

    Based on what we see, if this had been an 1881-S, I would have guessed MS69. Since it is a better date, I would have said 68 or if the graders were particularly harsh 67+ without cheating.

  • LeeBone
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    Should be 67/67+

  • justindan
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    67+

  • MFeld
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    @1madman said:

    @MFeld said:

    @1madman said:
    66

    Why so low?
    I’ll go with 67+, and would have guessed higher if any had graded higher.

    Cheek looks weird, like rubbed with a sock? I’ve seen this look on gold before and it normally deducts 1 point. Reverse eagle has a few problems/ticks as well. The somewhat strange lighting in the photo doesn’t help.

    Pops are updated every working weekday at around midnight pacific time, so unless this thing was graded and returned and photographed on a Saturday, current pops should be accurate.

    Thank you. While I see the coin very differently from the way you do, I very much appreciate you taking the time to reply.

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  • jfriedm56
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    67+ and bean

  • gumby1234
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    Looks to be 68 easily.

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  • bagofnickels
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    68 Absolutely pristine

  • Dropdaflag
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    Wow! Stunning! Looks like a 68 to me.

  • Lostintranslation
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    What's the ding on the throat?

  • winesteven
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    edited September 24, 2023 7:08AM
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    @Lostintranslation said:
    What's the ding on the throat?

    It's part of the design. Take a look at a few other Morgan's.

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  • dhikewhitney
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    MS68

  • dhikewhitney
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    However I now see PCGS has graded no 1891-S higher than MS67+

  • anablep
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    67+ all day long

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    @DeplorableDan said:

    @FlyingAl said:

    @DeplorableDan said:
    Nevermind, I see that the top pop is 67+ so I want to change my guess to that

    This was recently holdered, so the pops may or may not be current.

    Well, like @MFeld my initial impression was "better than 67+", so if that's a possibility I would keep it at 68+. I don't even see a hit or a hairline on the coin anywhere, and it looks like its screaming with luster. I don't know what would hold it back from 68 unless it was graded 30 years ago or if the images were deceptive.

    I believe I see a bag mark on the reverse (approx. 4 o'clock position) between America and Dollar, as well as a few on the obverse lower throat area.
    If the coin appears to be a 68 to many here, there must be a reason why it's not registered as a 68. I'm then going to say a Details/ Questionable Color.

  • Soldi
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    edited September 24, 2023 8:11AM
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    The angular second picture or "reveal" tells the tale of the grade. Totally AU

    , but a nice coin.

    The GTG is an MS 65 coin "purple is dried dip residue" Again another nice coin

    65

  • LeeBone
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    @Soldi said:
    The angular second picture or "reveal" tells the tale of the grade. Totally AU

    , but a nice coin.

    The GTG is an MS 65 coin "purple is dried dip residue" Again another nice coin

    65

    You're looking at two different coins entirely.

  • Soldi
    Soldi Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 24, 2023 8:35AM
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    Yes, I am !

    Furthermore I said so.

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  • davewesen
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    67+

  • percyb
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    67

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  • asheland
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    68 was my guess. But if 67+ is the highest, it must be that.

    I have a 67+ but this looks cleaner. :o

  • World67
    World67 Posts: 13,098 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    67+

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