Take a look at the raw double eagle I saw and held today. - Backstory added.

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SanctionII
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edited September 8, 2023 9:22AM in U.S. Coin Forum

A treat for me. Tomorrow I will follow up with the back story.

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  • World67
    World67 Posts: 13,098 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Very cool! I owned a raw AU55 for a short time years ago, then slabbed it and sold it.

  • olympicsos
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    Slab it!

  • lermish
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    Omega?

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  • Maywood
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    @SanctionII said: It was very heavy

    Is this supposed to mean you think it was "over-weight" heavy or that you just aren't accustomed to the weight of a double eagle??

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  • SanctionII
    SanctionII Posts: 13,189 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Maywood.

    I am not accustomed to the weight of a double eagle. I have no idea if the coin is overweight (thus counterfeit) or not. Given the envelope it was in and the history provided to me I expect that the coin will straight grade.

  • PhillyJoe
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    Great story. Best way to find out the grade would be to take a picture of today’s pop and check back in a few weeks?

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  • slider23
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    Nice read. Thanks for sharing.

  • RichieURich
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    Looks like a 1907 High Relief from the pic. Thanks for sharing the story!

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  • skier07
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    The first time I ever held a raw double eagle I was surprised by how heavy it was.

  • Namvet69
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    You got that special tactile sensation of some beautiful "heavy" gold coins. And off they went to be entombed in plastic. Good for you. Peace Roy

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  • BLUEJAYWAY
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    I enjoyed the story. All seems legit. Would be great to see how they graded.

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  • Walkerguy21D
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    Very cool chance encounter!
    Thanks for sharing the story with us.

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  • kaz
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    Yeah, I think it looks like a HR too. Great story!

  • SanctionII
    SanctionII Posts: 13,189 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The 1907 double eagle I held is the high relief flat rim variety.

  • Martin
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    @SanctionII story can’t be true. We all know all good coins have been to the graders😂 (at least once)

    Cool story and experience
    Martin

  • coinbuf
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    Cool story for sure, just goes to show that there are still lots of great raw coins out there, more than I had ever thought.

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  • SoCalBigMark
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    Most people would have made it nice and shiny for those good kids in the grading room.

  • pcgscacgold
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    Thanks for adding the back story. There are so many other coins out there like this waiting to come out of hiding.

  • PerryHall
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    @SoCalBigMark said:
    Most people would have made it nice and shiny for those good kids in the grading room.

    I've heard stories from coin dealers where the widow brings her late Husbands's rare coins into the shop to sell and she polished every coin so they would bring top dollar. :'(

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  • Smudge
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    @PerryHall said:

    @SoCalBigMark said:
    Most people would have made it nice and shiny for those good kids in the grading room.

    I've heard stories from coin dealers where the widow brings her late Husbands's rare coins into the shop to sell and she polished every coin so they would bring top dollar. :'(

    Horror stories.

  • BLUEJAYWAY
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    @pcgscacgold said:
    Thanks for adding the back story. There are so many other coins out there like this waiting to come out of hiding.

    We can only hope.

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  • SanctionII
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    This thread has been a fun one, with lots of positivity.

    Thanks to all who have replied.

  • AUandAG
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    Great story and great experience.
    At a Vegas show some 10 years, or more, ago, I was sitting eating a bite with a few other dealers/collectors. PCGS rep brought out 3 boxes and set them on the table next to a Calif dealer. He put his fork down and opened them and then passed them around the table for all to see.
    It was an original roll of 1909svdb cents. All 50 graded and I think three were top pops. All red 67's. Damn that was fun. I asked to purchase and found out that they were for a customer of his and he had no intention of selling them.
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  • Conshyboy
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    Great story, love reading stuff like that

  • dhikewhitney
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    I'm somewhat skeptical of the story for two reasons,
    1. Why would someone leave such valuable coins (yes, valuable even in 1969) to a pre-teen and let the pre-teen store them ?
    2. How did he know enough to come to Long Beach alone like that and go to PCGS and ask a stranger to handle his coins ?

  • Martin
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    @SanctionII said:
    This thread has been a fun one, with lots of positivity.

    Thanks to all who have replied.

    @dhikewhitney said:
    I'm somewhat skeptical of the story for two reasons,
    1. Why would someone leave such valuable coins (yes, valuable even in 1969) to a pre-teen and let the pre-teen store them ?
    2. How did he know enough to come to Long Beach alone like that and go to PCGS and ask a stranger to handle his coins ?

    And just like that the
    Positivity ended

    I still like the story and wish I was there

    Martin

  • dhikewhitney
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    I like stories as much as the next person; I do tend to notice things that don't quite make sense though. It doesn't mean the story is untrue.

  • CaptHenway
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    I just started a thread about another High Relief still out in the wild.

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  • lermish
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    @CaptHenway said:
    I just started a thread about another High Relief still out in the wild.

    Can I tell you in this thread that there is something wrong with any coin not in a slab?

    😝😝😝😝

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  • SanctionII
    SanctionII Posts: 13,189 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 11, 2023 9:04AM
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    CaptainHenway's thread about a raw high relief double eagle is a good one.

    As for this thread and the replys posted by dhikewhitney I will say:

    1. The man who sat down next to me and told me his story was sincere. I listened and asked a few questions. I did not ask for more detailed information as I did not want to pry;

    2. I suspect that when his grandfather died in 1969 the coins and other things grandpa collected were delivered to the grandson at his home where he lived with his parents. The grandson probably looked at the items and stored them in his parents' home, where they sat for decades (my childhood collection sat in my parents' safe deposit box for over 25 years until the collecting bug bit me again as an adult). Since the grandson told me he is not a coin collector I can easily see him going 30 years without looking at grandpa's collection; and

    3. The grandson did not just "show up" at Long Beach. He told me he had been educating himself on the items in his grandfather's collection, had previously had the US Pattern coins submitted for grading (through a coin dealer he had been working with until the dealer died) and decided to attend Long Beach to have PCGS on site representatives look at the nine double eagles, assess them and provide him information about submitting them for grading. Nothing unusual about that. As for showing me the high relief double eagle and letting me hold it, well I have had similar experiences at Long Beach and smaller shows in the past. I have allowed others I have sat with at coin shows look at and hold some of my coins also.

    dhikewhitney can be skeptical of the story I was told if he wants. I believe what the grandson told me is true. However, even if it is not completely true it is still a good story. :)

  • Batman23
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    Nice coin and good story. Thanks for sharing.

  • flyguyfl
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    Beautiful coin shown. Love the story and it only proves some treasures still exist.

  • SanctionII
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    The pop report for the 1907 High Relief flat edge double eagle in MS (61 to 68+) as of today is:

    9 in 61

    78 in 62

    2 in 62+

    149 in 63

    3 in 63+

    209 in 64

    19 in 64+

    133 in 65

    13 in 65+

    59 in 66

    3 in 66+

    11 in 67

    2 in 67+

    2 in 68

    1 in 68+

    for a total of 866 graded in MS.

    When the coin I saw a week ago is graded the 866 number should go up by one; and we possibly will be able to tell what the coin graded. I will post an update if I see the pops change.

  • pursuitofliberty
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    Thanks for the backstory @SanctionII

    That would have been a very cool spot to be seated at that moment. Funny how the power of the universe works.


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  • coinhack
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    Fascinating story. Thank you for sharing.

  • BryceM
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    Cool story. Holding an ounce (well, close enough) of raw gold is always a treat, even if it’s just a beat-up Krugerrand. Thanks for sharing a cool story. I imagine his grandfather is smiling about it, somewhere.

  • derryb
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    @skier07 said:
    The first time I ever held a raw double eagle I was surprised by how heavy it was.

    you should try on a 50 peso gold coin

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  • Applejacks
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    @Batman23 said:
    Nice coin and good story. Thanks for sharing.

    This

  • SanctionII
    SanctionII Posts: 13,189 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 21, 2023 2:39PM
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    TTT.

    Today I looked at the pop report for the subject coin and the number of coins graded MS64 has increased from 209 (as reported by me in my post of 9-14-2023) to 210.

    It is possible that the coin I was shown on 9-7-2023 at Long Beach is now the 210th such coin graded by PCGS as an MS64. The price guide values an MS64 at $50,000.00 (an MS64 was sold for $40,800.00 about 10 months ago).

  • SNMAN
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    @SanctionII said:
    TTT.

    Thank you for sharing.
    I am saddened by the skepticism by some members. 🙁

  • Smudge
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    That’s a coin that should go to the front of the line at PCGS. Modern stuff can wait.

  • lermish
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    @Smudge said:
    That’s a coin that should go to the front of the line at PCGS. Modern stuff can wait.

    I don't think that's an issue...it must go Walkthrough...that's front of the line ;)

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  • HillbillyCollector
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    Very cool story!
    As a kid, the man must have had some good principles drilled into him, one being to hold on to valuable items and not be impulsive for ‘quick cash!’
    Heck, I don’t know anyone in my entire family of that age that I would trust with high dollar coins. And many of my adult relatives I feel the same way about! 😉

  • FlyingAl
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    @SanctionII said:
    TTT.

    Today I looked at the pop report for the subject coin and the number of coins graded MS64 has increased from 209 (as reported by me in my post of 9-14-2023) to 210.

    It is likely that the coin I was shown on 9-7-2023 at Long Beach is now the 210th such coin graded by PCGS as an MS64. The price guide values an MS64 at $50,000.00 (an MS64 was sold for $40,800.00 about 10 months ago).

    I saw the new MS64 (with the TrueView images) in the shared order page.

    I can confirm they are NOT the same coin.

  • lermish
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    @FlyingAl said:

    @SanctionII said:
    TTT.

    Today I looked at the pop report for the subject coin and the number of coins graded MS64 has increased from 209 (as reported by me in my post of 9-14-2023) to 210.

    It is likely that the coin I was shown on 9-7-2023 at Long Beach is now the 210th such coin graded by PCGS as an MS64. The price guide values an MS64 at $50,000.00 (an MS64 was sold for $40,800.00 about 10 months ago).

    I saw the new MS64 (with the TrueView images) in the shared order page.

    I can confirm they are NOT the same coin.

    Link please?🙏

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  • SanctionII
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    After reading Alex's reply I have deleted the word "likely" in my post of 11:44 a.m. today and replaced it with the word "possible".

    If Alex is willing to do so, I ask that he post the Trueview photo he mentioned and explain his reasoning for opining that the coin I saw and held is not the same as the coin in the Trueview. :)

  • lermish
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    I don't know about Al although I look forward to the link but I have a thought to throw out.

    The guy had the coin graded 9/7. Due to value it had to be done as walkthrough. In theory, it should have already been in the pop report before you pulled the numbers on 9/14. I don't know how quickly the pops update but I would guess less than a week

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  • FlyingAl
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    I’ll try and find the link later today. No promises I can find it again.

    The MS64 had two fairly obvious copper spots on the reverse that weren’t present in @SanctionII’s original pics.

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