Collis restrike whereabouts

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Zoins
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edited January 9, 2023 9:04PM in U.S. Coin Forum

@Twobitcollector said:

This copper Albert Collis restrike was posted for the weekend which got me thinking.

I've only seen the copper restrikes. Are the whereabouts of the other metals known? Have they appeared in recent auctions?

CoinFacts reports the following mintages by Albert Collis:

  • Platinum (1)
  • Lead (1)
  • Gold (7)
  • Silver (22)
  • Copper (5,019)
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  • CaptHenway
    CaptHenway Posts: 34,164 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Never seen anything but the copper. Have handled the die in the ANA Museum.

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  • RichieURich
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    I own two of the silver restrikes, didn't know the mintage was 22, but I knew it was rare.

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  • RichieURich
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    I haven't seen the platinum, lead, or gold restrikes.

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  • Zoins
    Zoins Posts: 34,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 26, 2016 5:38PM
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    Very cool @RichieURich. Did you pick them up at the same time from the same seller?

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  • RichieURich
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    No, I got one from Northeast Numismatics about 10 years ago, got the other one a couple years later but I don't recall the seller.

    The restrike looks nice in copper, but really nice in silver.

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  • Aegis3
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    Bowers & Merena's April 1986 sale (S Levine)had a hoard of these peices, in copper (40 pieces in 5 lots), off-center copper (15 pieces in 7 lots), silver (6 pieces, 1 per lot), and gold (3 pieces, 1 per lot).

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  • Zoins
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    @Aegis3 said:
    Bowers & Merena's April 1986 sale (S Levine)had a hoard of these peices, in copper (40 pieces in 5 lots), off-center copper (15 pieces in 7 lots), silver (6 pieces, 1 per lot), and gold (3 pieces, 1 per lot).

    Great info @Aegis3. 30 years since an appearance of the gold pieces is impressive.

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  • ricko
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    I always find it amazing how when questions are asked here, informative replies fairly flood the thread... One can learn several new things almost daily on this forum. Cheers, RickO

  • Aegis3
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    @Zoins said:
    Great info @Aegis3. 30 years since an appearance of the gold pieces is impressive.

    Oh, I should be clear. These were just the appearances which immediately came to my mind on reading this thread. There are likely more recent appearances; but that's something I'd actually have to look up.

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  • Zoins
    Zoins Posts: 34,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 9, 2023 9:18AM
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    PCGS now has a pop of 1 for the silver Collis Restrike! Anyone run across any of the other metals like platinum or gold?

    Here's the silver:

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  • Zoins
    Zoins Posts: 34,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 10, 2019 10:21PM
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    Here's the text from the original page on CoinFacts.com since it's no longer there:

    UNDATED (1792) "WASHINGTON BORN VIRGINIA" COPPER - UNIFACE COLLIS RESTRIKES

    Notes:
    In 1959, Albert Collis created a transfer die of the original die used to strike the undated (1792) "Washington Born Virginia" Medals. Using the copy die, Collis struck the following examples, all uniface (mintages in parentheses):

    Platinum (1)
    Lead (1)
    Gold (7)
    Silver (22)
    Copper (5,019)

    Once the restriking was completed, Collis donated the die to the American Numismatic Association, where it resides today.

    Do we know what happened to the transfer die?

    @CaptHenway did you ever see the die while you are at the ANA?

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  • CaptHenway
    CaptHenway Posts: 34,164 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Read above

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  • Zoins
    Zoins Posts: 34,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 10, 2019 10:25PM
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    Ah, you answered it already. Must have been fun to work at the ANA!

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  • CaptHenway
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    @Zoins said:
    Ah, you answered it already. Must have been fun to work at the ANA!

    Other than the floggings to improve morale...........

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  • Zoins
    Zoins Posts: 34,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 19, 2019 11:26AM
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    Ouch! I can't believe I missed this one!

    Someone got a great rarity for a great price!

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  • DCW
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    A hundred bucks, free shipping?!

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  • Zoins
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    @DCW said:
    A hundred bucks, free shipping?!

    Someone sucks ;)

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  • MWallace
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    @Zoins said:
    Here's the text from the original page on CoinFacts.com since it's no longer there:

    UNDATED (1792) "WASHINGTON BORN VIRGINIA" COPPER - UNIFACE COLLIS RESTRIKES

    Notes:
    In 1959, Albert Collis created a transfer die of the original die used to strike the undated (1792) "Washington Born Virginia" Medals. Using the copy die, Collis struck the following examples, all uniface (mintages in parentheses):

    Platinum (1)
    Lead (1)
    Gold (7)
    Silver (22)
    Copper (5,019)

    Once the restriking was completed, Collis donated the die to the American Numismatic Association, where it resides today.

    Do we know what happened to the transfer die?

    @CaptHenway did you ever see the die while you are at the ANA?

    The transfer dies were destroyed. See attached PDF of the Numismatist (Aug. 1959), page 2, 2nd column. The one in the ANA museum must be the original die. @CaptHenway , what say you?

  • Zoins
    Zoins Posts: 34,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 9, 2023 9:35PM
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    @MWallace said:

    @Zoins said:
    Here's the text from the original page on CoinFacts.com since it's no longer there:

    UNDATED (1792) "WASHINGTON BORN VIRGINIA" COPPER - UNIFACE COLLIS RESTRIKES

    Notes:
    In 1959, Albert Collis created a transfer die of the original die used to strike the undated (1792) "Washington Born Virginia" Medals. Using the copy die, Collis struck the following examples, all uniface (mintages in parentheses):

    Platinum (1)
    Lead (1)
    Gold (7)
    Silver (22)
    Copper (5,019)

    Once the restriking was completed, Collis donated the die to the American Numismatic Association, where it resides today.

    Do we know what happened to the transfer die?

    @CaptHenway did you ever see the die while you are at the ANA?

    The transfer dies were destroyed. See attached PDF of the Numismatist (Aug. 1959), page 2, 2nd column. The one in the ANA museum must be the original die. @CaptHenway , what say you?

    Great article and info @MWallace! It’s really nice to see Albert’s own original writing!

    What's interesting is that it doesn't actually seem to say the dies were destroyed. It says they were defaced by a grinder, which seems like it can also mean that they were x-cancelled or something similar, leaving the door open for the dies still existing in some identifiable state.

    Albert Collis said:
    At the conclusion of the strike, the working die and also the steel impression made by the original die were taken to the grinder and defaced in my presence.

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  • Lazybones
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    My Collis Silvers...


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  • DoctorPaper
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    edited June 27, 2023 2:53PM
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    Nice pickup by someone back in ‘19.
    Here’s mine, still unslabbed. Obtained in ‘03 from Rosa Americana in San Diego:

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  • CaptHenway
    CaptHenway Posts: 34,164 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    OLD THREAD ALERT

    There is a 2022 sale of a silver specimen linked in here:

    https://www.pcgs.com/auctionprices/item/c-1959-medal-gw-37-silver-collis-restrike-washinton-born-virginia/658145/6496116231979224361

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