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Collis restrike whereabouts

ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,913 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 9, 2023 9:04PM in U.S. Coin Forum

@Twobitcollector said:

This copper Albert Collis restrike was posted for the weekend which got me thinking.

I've only seen the copper restrikes. Are the whereabouts of the other metals known? Have they appeared in recent auctions?

CoinFacts reports the following mintages by Albert Collis:

  • Platinum (1)
  • Lead (1)
  • Gold (7)
  • Silver (22)
  • Copper (5,019)
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,565 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Never seen anything but the copper. Have handled the die in the ANA Museum.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
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    RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,372 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I own two of the silver restrikes, didn't know the mintage was 22, but I knew it was rare.

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    RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,372 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I haven't seen the platinum, lead, or gold restrikes.

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,913 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 26, 2016 5:38PM

    Very cool @RichieURich. Did you pick them up at the same time from the same seller?

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    RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,372 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No, I got one from Northeast Numismatics about 10 years ago, got the other one a couple years later but I don't recall the seller.

    The restrike looks nice in copper, but really nice in silver.

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    Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭

    Bowers & Merena's April 1986 sale (S Levine)had a hoard of these peices, in copper (40 pieces in 5 lots), off-center copper (15 pieces in 7 lots), silver (6 pieces, 1 per lot), and gold (3 pieces, 1 per lot).

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,913 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Aegis3 said:
    Bowers & Merena's April 1986 sale (S Levine)had a hoard of these peices, in copper (40 pieces in 5 lots), off-center copper (15 pieces in 7 lots), silver (6 pieces, 1 per lot), and gold (3 pieces, 1 per lot).

    Great info @Aegis3. 30 years since an appearance of the gold pieces is impressive.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I always find it amazing how when questions are asked here, informative replies fairly flood the thread... One can learn several new things almost daily on this forum. Cheers, RickO

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    Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:
    Great info @Aegis3. 30 years since an appearance of the gold pieces is impressive.

    Oh, I should be clear. These were just the appearances which immediately came to my mind on reading this thread. There are likely more recent appearances; but that's something I'd actually have to look up.

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,913 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 9, 2023 9:18AM

    PCGS now has a pop of 1 for the silver Collis Restrike! Anyone run across any of the other metals like platinum or gold?

    Here's the silver:

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,913 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 10, 2019 10:21PM

    Here's the text from the original page on CoinFacts.com since it's no longer there:

    UNDATED (1792) "WASHINGTON BORN VIRGINIA" COPPER - UNIFACE COLLIS RESTRIKES

    Notes:
    In 1959, Albert Collis created a transfer die of the original die used to strike the undated (1792) "Washington Born Virginia" Medals. Using the copy die, Collis struck the following examples, all uniface (mintages in parentheses):

    Platinum (1)
    Lead (1)
    Gold (7)
    Silver (22)
    Copper (5,019)

    Once the restriking was completed, Collis donated the die to the American Numismatic Association, where it resides today.

    Do we know what happened to the transfer die?

    @CaptHenway did you ever see the die while you are at the ANA?

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,565 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Read above

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,913 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 10, 2019 10:25PM

    Ah, you answered it already. Must have been fun to work at the ANA!

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,565 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:
    Ah, you answered it already. Must have been fun to work at the ANA!

    Other than the floggings to improve morale...........

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,913 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 19, 2019 11:26AM

    Ouch! I can't believe I missed this one!

    Someone got a great rarity for a great price!

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    DCWDCW Posts: 6,978 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A hundred bucks, free shipping?!

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,913 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DCW said:
    A hundred bucks, free shipping?!

    Someone sucks ;)

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    MWallaceMWallace Posts: 3,866 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:
    Here's the text from the original page on CoinFacts.com since it's no longer there:

    UNDATED (1792) "WASHINGTON BORN VIRGINIA" COPPER - UNIFACE COLLIS RESTRIKES

    Notes:
    In 1959, Albert Collis created a transfer die of the original die used to strike the undated (1792) "Washington Born Virginia" Medals. Using the copy die, Collis struck the following examples, all uniface (mintages in parentheses):

    Platinum (1)
    Lead (1)
    Gold (7)
    Silver (22)
    Copper (5,019)

    Once the restriking was completed, Collis donated the die to the American Numismatic Association, where it resides today.

    Do we know what happened to the transfer die?

    @CaptHenway did you ever see the die while you are at the ANA?

    The transfer dies were destroyed. See attached PDF of the Numismatist (Aug. 1959), page 2, 2nd column. The one in the ANA museum must be the original die. @CaptHenway , what say you?

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,913 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 9, 2023 9:35PM

    @MWallace said:

    @Zoins said:
    Here's the text from the original page on CoinFacts.com since it's no longer there:

    UNDATED (1792) "WASHINGTON BORN VIRGINIA" COPPER - UNIFACE COLLIS RESTRIKES

    Notes:
    In 1959, Albert Collis created a transfer die of the original die used to strike the undated (1792) "Washington Born Virginia" Medals. Using the copy die, Collis struck the following examples, all uniface (mintages in parentheses):

    Platinum (1)
    Lead (1)
    Gold (7)
    Silver (22)
    Copper (5,019)

    Once the restriking was completed, Collis donated the die to the American Numismatic Association, where it resides today.

    Do we know what happened to the transfer die?

    @CaptHenway did you ever see the die while you are at the ANA?

    The transfer dies were destroyed. See attached PDF of the Numismatist (Aug. 1959), page 2, 2nd column. The one in the ANA museum must be the original die. @CaptHenway , what say you?

    Great article and info @MWallace! It’s really nice to see Albert’s own original writing!

    What's interesting is that it doesn't actually seem to say the dies were destroyed. It says they were defaced by a grinder, which seems like it can also mean that they were x-cancelled or something similar, leaving the door open for the dies still existing in some identifiable state.

    Albert Collis said:
    At the conclusion of the strike, the working die and also the steel impression made by the original die were taken to the grinder and defaced in my presence.

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    LazybonesLazybones Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My Collis Silvers...


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    DoctorPaperDoctorPaper Posts: 616 ✭✭✭
    edited June 27, 2023 2:53PM

    Nice pickup by someone back in ‘19.
    Here’s mine, still unslabbed. Obtained in ‘03 from Rosa Americana in San Diego:

    Wisconsin nationals: gotta love 'em....

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