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Damaged 1955DDO On eBay

OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited May 11, 2023 10:26AM in U.S. Coin Forum

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR.... It is strange... with such severe damage on the obverse, not to have any at all on the reverse. I can 'imagine' some hypothetical situations that 'could possibly' result in such damage... but still doubtful. Cheers, RickO

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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Counterfeit, imo

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    braddickbraddick Posts: 25,115 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I wish the seller had kept it in the ANACS net graded slab...

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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 11, 2023 9:35AM

    @FredWeinberg said:
    Counterfeit, imo

    So would a TPG'er attribute it as damaged, counterfeit or just body bag it

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    PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 4,851 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The listing should be removed as the seller is misrepresenting the coin as a certified Anacs G-4. That ship sailed when the coin was cracked out.

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    FrazFraz Posts: 2,118 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FredWeinberg said:
    Counterfeit, imo

    Misdirection of a sort. Hmm. I can believe that.

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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If it’s genuine, any TPG would attribute it as genuine but damaged

    Although I saw the headline that said ANACS, But I didn’t see the label or cracked out holder – so maybe I’m wrong and it’s genuine, but it certainly doesn’t look like it to me

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    braddickbraddick Posts: 25,115 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I personally do believe it is genuine and would retain some value- even at his opening bid- if he had kept it intact.
    At a minimum, I'd hope he still has the insert.
    Obviously severely damaged (and thus the net grade of GD4 by ANACS), it is still a valuable coin.

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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks Fred.

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    VTchaserVTchaser Posts: 309 ✭✭✭

    Is it just me, or does the 9 not look doubled?

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    VTchaserVTchaser Posts: 309 ✭✭✭
    edited May 11, 2023 10:20AM

    Similar note: Why would you put this on ebay as a BIN? Why not just set a reserve?

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    FrazFraz Posts: 2,118 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This ain’t worth worrying about saying something wrong. The coin is wrong.

    @FredWeinberg said:
    – so maybe I’m wrong and it’s genuine, but it certainly doesn’t look like it to me

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    WalkerloverWalkerlover Posts: 1,009 ✭✭✭✭

    @VTchaser said:
    Is it just me, or does the 9 not look doubled?

    Yes it does not look doubled and it has a horizontal line of extra damage going straight through the 9, so it is suspicious

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 32,361 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    Maybe the obverse was laying down against the surface of the Walmart parking lot. ;)

    Them having all sorts of good coin there

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    Steven59Steven59 Posts: 11,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @VTchaser said:
    Similar note: Why would you put this on ebay as a BIN? Why not just set a reserve?

    It's not BIN. 400$ opening bid (unless the auction was changed before)

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    Steven59Steven59 Posts: 11,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It may very well be genuine - the eyelids, lips, and tie are all doubled. Usually those details are'nt on fakes/counterfiets.

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    tincuptincup Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes... something drastically wrong with the '9' in the date. I'd have to be very leery of it, and suspect fake. The damage on the front was probably intentional? to draw attention away from the somehow messed up '9'.

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    tincuptincup Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can't really tell if a couple of the die markers are on the reverse? (as noted on ngccoin.com)

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    ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 7,100 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 11, 2023 3:04PM

    I'm not sure what you are looking at but that 9 is definitely doubled.
    The coin looks legit to me, most counterfeits seem to ignore all the "other" doubling, such as in the hair, eyelid, and Lincoln's profile. This is present here as @Steven59 said.


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    Steven59Steven59 Posts: 11,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tincup said:
    Can't really tell if a couple of the die markers are on the reverse? (as noted on ngccoin.com)

    Only problem with those die scratches being used as markers is, they get worn away as the coin aquired more and more circulation time.

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    burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 11, 2023 4:00PM

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    Desert MoonDesert Moon Posts: 6,344 ✭✭✭✭✭

    typed Anacs cert # listed in the listing for verification:

    seller claims it was removed from the holder in days gone past..............

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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So why isn't the cert # still valid?

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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,790 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    Maybe the obverse was laying down against the surface of the Walmart parking lot. ;)

    From this comment, and similar in another thread, methinks you spend a lot of time at Walmart, and specifically, in their parking lots >:)

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,526 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Bochiman said:

    @PerryHall said:
    Maybe the obverse was laying down against the surface of the Walmart parking lot. ;)

    From this comment, and similar in another thread, methinks you spend a lot of time at Walmart, and specifically, in their parking lots >:)

    The Walmart parking lot coin find is a running insider joke here. We've had numerous non-collectors show us beat up damaged coins wanting to know if it's some kind of rare mint error. Most look like they spent time on a parking lot. When we give them a reality check and tell them they have no special value and to just spend them, they usually leave and aren't seen again.

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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,790 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @Bochiman said:

    @PerryHall said:
    Maybe the obverse was laying down against the surface of the Walmart parking lot. ;)

    From this comment, and similar in another thread, methinks you spend a lot of time at Walmart, and specifically, in their parking lots >:)

    The Walmart parking lot coin find is a running insider joke here. We've had numerous non-collectors show us beat up damaged coins wanting to know if it's some kind of rare mint error. Most look like they spent time on a parking lot. When we give them a reality check and tell them they have no special value and to just spend them, they usually leave and aren't seen again.

    I know...but there's another longstanding joke about you and certain "types" and how they fit walmart..... LOL

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,526 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Bochiman said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @Bochiman said:

    @PerryHall said:
    Maybe the obverse was laying down against the surface of the Walmart parking lot. ;)

    From this comment, and similar in another thread, methinks you spend a lot of time at Walmart, and specifically, in their parking lots >:)

    The Walmart parking lot coin find is a running insider joke here. We've had numerous non-collectors show us beat up damaged coins wanting to know if it's some kind of rare mint error. Most look like they spent time on a parking lot. When we give them a reality check and tell them they have no special value and to just spend them, they usually leave and aren't seen again.

    I know...but there's another longstanding joke about you and certain "types" and how they fit walmart..... LOL

    It's too early to be drinking. Get yourself some coffee. :D

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @spacehayduke said:
    typed Anacs cert # listed in the listing for verification:

    seller claims it was removed from the holder in days gone past..............

    Looks like the seller corrected the cert #. It looks legit.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for posting that additional info – I was wrong in my opinion about it.

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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FredWeinberg said:
    Thanks for posting that additional info – I was wrong in my opinion about it.

    Not a problem. Not that they are bad but I would certainly be inclined to trust you, before ANACS.

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    braddickbraddick Posts: 25,115 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I placed a bid on this coin, and I noticed tonight the auction had been pulled. I can't tell if it was eBay or the seller.
    Either way, I am disappointed as I think this 55/55 had merit and worth.

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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:
    I placed a bid on this coin, and I noticed tonight the auction had been pulled. I can't tell if it was eBay or the seller.
    Either way, I am disappointed as I think this 55/55 had merit and worth.

    Contact the seller. You still might be able to make a deal with him. More then once over the years coins have been pulled (for whatever reason), I contacted the seller, made a deal, they relisted it and I snagged it.

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