Please tell me I'm not crazy... No way this is real, right?!

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  • MWallace
    MWallace Posts: 4,683 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    So far no one has said you're not crazy. :D

  • calgolddiver
    calgolddiver Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    needs a poll ...
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  • braddick
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    :o:o

    :'(

  • AUandAG
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    Fake in my opinion.....so it doesn't matter. Look at her lips and nose.

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  • Bochiman
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    Can't tell you you aren't crazy, but in respect to the picture item, you are correct in that it isn't real.
    Looks too much like a lot of them I saw in markets in China

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  • Walkerfan
    Walkerfan Posts: 10,392 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I vote counterfeit.

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  • DNADave
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    Where would the word “copy” have been? Lower obverse and shield ?

  • fathom
    fathom Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    So heavily damaged might be difficult to authenticate.

  • Jimnight
    Jimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I think fake.

  • ElmerFusterpuck
    ElmerFusterpuck Posts: 4,910 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    As for that coin, it's a hell no from me.

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  • RobertScotLover
    RobertScotLover Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I don't think it really matters.

  • PerryHall
    PerryHall Posts: 47,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @RobertScotLover said:
    I don't think it really matters.

    Of course, it matters. Otherwise, we wouldn't be discussing it. :D

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  • The_Dinosaur_Man
    The_Dinosaur_Man Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I don't like the look of it, but why would someone go to any length to counterfeit a coin in this poor of shape?

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  • johnny9434
    johnny9434 Posts: 34,116 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Pass

  • may
    may Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It's real, as in a counterfeit coin. ;)

  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @The_Dinosaur_Man said:
    I don't like the look of it, but why would someone go to any length to counterfeit a coin in this poor of shape?

    Because despite the coin's terrible condition, the anticipated profit would make it worthwhile.

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  • gumby1234
    gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    If you can pick it up and hold it in your hand it is real. So you must be crazy. :wink:

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  • ricko
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    For the coin... I deem it fake... As to your sanity - that is still a topic for debate :D;) Cheers, RickO

  • The_Dinosaur_Man
    The_Dinosaur_Man Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @MFeld said:

    @The_Dinosaur_Man said:
    I don't like the look of it, but why would someone go to any length to counterfeit a coin in this poor of shape?

    Because despite the coin's terrible condition, the anticipated profit would make it worthwhile.

    That's the thing with its condition. If someone were to go to any lengths to counterfeit and actually spend the time doing so, it should be more worthwhile of the counterfeiter to produce something with more meat to the design.

    JMO on the matter. I'm not knocking on the possibility of the OP coin being a counterfeit.

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  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @The_Dinosaur_Man said:

    @MFeld said:

    @The_Dinosaur_Man said:
    I don't like the look of it, but why would someone go to any length to counterfeit a coin in this poor of shape?

    Because despite the coin's terrible condition, the anticipated profit would make it worthwhile.

    That's the thing with its condition. If someone were to go to any lengths to counterfeit and actually spend the time doing so, it should be more worthwhile of the counterfeiter to produce something with more meat to the design.

    JMO on the matter. I'm not knocking on the possibility of the OP coin being a counterfeit.

    I don't disagree.

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  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @The_Dinosaur_Man said:

    @MFeld said:

    @The_Dinosaur_Man said:
    I don't like the look of it, but why would someone go to any length to counterfeit a coin in this poor of shape?

    Because despite the coin's terrible condition, the anticipated profit would make it worthwhile.

    That's the thing with its condition. If someone were to go to any lengths to counterfeit and actually spend the time doing so, it should be more worthwhile of the counterfeiter to produce something with more meat to the design.

    JMO on the matter. I'm not knocking on the possibility of the OP coin being a counterfeit.

    I don't disagree with that.

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  • element159
    element159 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭
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    Could the wording on the reverse be 'ONE TROY OUNCE 0.999 FINE SILVER'? It is so defaced that I cannot read it. If that is the wording, it matches a silver round that I have, which cost me just over melt. Otherwise my round looks a lot like the coin.

  • lcutler
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    Fake, no lettered edge, and the edge looks like it was struck in a collar. I imagine someone figured it would be easier to pass a fake if it was wore down to look old.

  • telephoto1
    telephoto1 Posts: 4,966 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    My guess, in order of likelihood, is either worn out modern fake or worn out contemporary fake. B)


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  • tincup
    tincup Posts: 5,485 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'm no expert on these, but suspect fake.

    What's with the odd rim on the reverse at the bottom? almost looks like a gap between the face of the coin and the rim. also the same on the obverse? Is that normal or expected with these?

    ----- kj
  • tincup
    tincup Posts: 5,485 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Or maybe camera angle and optical illusion?

    ----- kj
  • PerryHall
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    It's mighty convenient that the only part of the obverse that's worn smooth is the date area. :D
    As someone already mentioned, it looks like a silver round that's been worked on. Has anyone tried alerting the seller or reporting this fake to eBay?

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  • braddick
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    @PerryHall said:
    It's mighty convenient that the only part of the obverse that's worn smooth is the date area. :D
    As someone already mentioned, it looks like a silver round that's been worked on. Has anyone tried alerting the seller or reporting this fake to eBay?

    Yes, with no response.

  • PerryHall
    PerryHall Posts: 47,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @braddick said:

    @PerryHall said:
    It's mighty convenient that the only part of the obverse that's worn smooth is the date area. :D
    As someone already mentioned, it looks like a silver round that's been worked on. Has anyone tried alerting the seller or reporting this fake to eBay?

    Yes, with no response.

    With no response from the seller, you can assume he knows it's a bad coin. Hopefully, eBay will take it down.

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  • lkenefic
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    Wow... it's still up! ... and has been bid up to $95. Now THAT'S cray-cray...

    Anyone still on the fence about it... look at Ms. Liberty's lips and nose... stars... the font on "LIBERTY" and all the damage to cover up the fact that it's an obvious fake.

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  • may
    may Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 2, 2023 3:46PM
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    Bid up to $217.50 :disappointed:

  • DoubleEagle59
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    That's one very filthy fingernail.....

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  • Bochiman
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    @MFeld said:

    @The_Dinosaur_Man said:

    @MFeld said:

    @The_Dinosaur_Man said:
    I don't like the look of it, but why would someone go to any length to counterfeit a coin in this poor of shape?

    Because despite the coin's terrible condition, the anticipated profit would make it worthwhile.

    That's the thing with its condition. If someone were to go to any lengths to counterfeit and actually spend the time doing so, it should be more worthwhile of the counterfeiter to produce something with more meat to the design.

    JMO on the matter. I'm not knocking on the possibility of the OP coin being a counterfeit.

    I don't disagree with that.

    I'll disagree for these reasons:

    • If this is from China/Asia, it is REALLY cheap for them to do, so any profit is worth it to them.
    • They have some talent but not usually the full talent to do something that would pass muster to someone looking for something with more meat and that is a much higher cost.
    • To the point above, they will try to pass what they can at the level they can most likely get away with it. A lower quality coin is less likely to be as scrutinized as a higher quality coin.

    When I was in China for work, some years ago, I saw these things a lot. I also saw a 1906 Walking Liberty Silver Dollar (ie.....think of an SAE dated 1906). So, using the reason above, why would they counterfeit something that doesn't exist, and try to pass it off? They were fine selling these for between $1-$5. So, that's the profit they were fine with there. This was around 2010.

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  • No Headlights
    No Headlights Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Lips suggest a Kardashian dollar.

  • CaptHenway
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    edited May 3, 2023 6:11AM
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    @Ownerofawheatiehorde said:

    Bid up to $217.50 :disappointed:

    You've got it! And SILVER over at 4 o'clock.

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  • CaptHenway
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    Listing ended.

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  • may
    may Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It probably had copy or 20xx at the date

  • element159
    element159 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭
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    @Ownerofawheatiehorde said:
    It probably had copy or 20xx at the date

    My round (which I suspect this 'coin' is) has no date here at all, it is just blank.

  • 10000lakes
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    edited May 3, 2023 1:36PM
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    Maybe this silver round

    https://www.pristineauction.com/a4149484-1-Troy-oz-999-Draped-Bust-Dollar-Silver-Coin

    https://images.pristineauction.com/168/1688741/main_1605126653-1-Troy-oz-999-Draped-Bust-Dollar-Silver-Coin-PristineAuction.com.jpg

    https://images.pristineauction.com/168/1688741/main_1605126654-1-Troy-oz-999-Draped-Bust-Dollar-Silver-Coin-PristineAuction.com.jpg

  • braddick
    braddick Posts: 25,190 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    :o

  • may
    may Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    That makes sense, no wonder they wore it down extra at the date.

  • Onastone
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    Oh the dangers of over cleaning...

  • Keshequa
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    @The_Dinosaur_Man said:
    I don't like the look of it, but why would someone go to any length to counterfeit a coin in this poor of shape?

    My friend, who once was an authenticator for stamps, told me if there was a $50 version and a $1000 version of a stamp, the $50 version was more likely to be counterfeited. It received less scrutiny.

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