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1863 Civil War Token Rotated Die

OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭

I had one of these when I was a kid and lost it. I have no idea what happened to it. I saw this one recently and had to have it. Are rotated dies common on these?

Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

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    JWPJWP Posts: 34,115 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I believe I have at least 1 two cent piece that is rotated.

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    DCWDCW Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As you might suspect, there wasnt much quality control. Rotation of the dies are very common. There are varieties that only come with a specific rotation, which makes it easy to authenticate.
    This variety you have is very common. I would suspect that many batches were and it could have been lined up better.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR ... Nice one... Almost purchased one of those at a coin show in WA state years ago... but the dealer just wanted too much (it was nice). Cheers, RickO

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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    @OAKSTAR ... Nice one... Almost purchased one of those at a coin show in WA state years ago... but the dealer just wanted too much (it was nice). Cheers, RickO

    Thanks.

    @MWallace recently told me about this one: "SHOOT HIM ON THE SPOOT 1863 Civil War Token" I had not even heard of the "SPOOT" token.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/304854173044?hash=item46fab98574:g:x-8AAOSwtmJkHGuf&amdata=enc:AQAHAAAAwHxcu2O/Ze7XnAXsQ4ikhq2mJmrixLVEmrVyf+In8k0WUJZ3KxGbsLzVCDEyWL1BEJbxEcN6yjBgUl1Uc1KWEQQDP9q3+rerVDupMeeFjuzt7BWvQZDDM17Mg2UqtbfUX7d/Z6sGOxAijYFiv8BuT6O8DNKjTbg/0hEsCs3U37O9SZ/2l9OpyblWL5CrorWEfLPzhh399eXDt+EohwgnYtr7/qwgi5BezV84ow5HfnDmhLHWfq8IcHHDlsDlU+A6DQ==|tkp:Bk9SR5jKzN_kYQ

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR... I will watch that one... I did not remember the 'Spoot' variety until you posted it... Neat one, thanks. Cheers, RickO

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,782 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 28, 2023 7:33AM

    Private minters did not have strict standards. For many of them, the #1 priority was to get the product out.

    The U.S. mint system did not always have its act together either. A very large number of the 1839-O quarter eagles ($2,50 gold) have the die rotated to the "medal turn." The means when you flip the coin on the horizontal axis, the reverse side is upside down. This was the first New Orleans Mint gold coin, and the mint was not well versed on how the dies should be aligned.


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