Will this Bust half grade?

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Thinking of sending in to get graded. Will the reverse rim hit prevent a straight grade? Thanks.

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  • 291fifth
    291fifth Posts: 25,218 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Probably not. There appear to be scratches in the field behind Liberty's head and a rim bump as well.

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  • jacrispies
    jacrispies Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks to be a VF-35. I would expect a details grade from the edge damage because that is fairly significant.

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  • PeakRarities
    PeakRarities Posts: 4,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Rim bump looks pretty significant, as well as the scratches previously mentioned. XF details I think

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  • johnny9434
    johnny9434 Posts: 34,050 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    What's with the 8 on the obverse? I can't make it out

  • jacrispies
    jacrispies Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @johnny9434 said:
    What's with the 8 on the obverse? I can't make it out

    It is the overdate.

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  • COCollector
    COCollector Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 25, 2022 11:27PM
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    @johnny9434 said:
    What's with the 8 on the obverse? I can't make it out

    "...die break in upper loop of 8 almost filling it." -- U.S. Early Half Dollar Die Varieties, Parsley

    Looks like an O-102a (R.2 "slightly uncommon"). Maybe someone will confirm.

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  • TR
    TR Posts: 58 ✭✭✭
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    Thanks. The rim bump is pretty large. Might send it in to get the small 8 overdate verified even if its detail graded.

  • johnny9434
    johnny9434 Posts: 34,050 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Best of luck with it and let us know how ya make out with it 🙂

  • lkeigwin
    lkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Rim "damage" is not unusual on lettered edge bust halves, often due to the coin rising from the castaing table as it is cranked along the bar dies. Check the edge lettering to see if it rises and coincides with the damage spot.

    The rim damage in OP's coin appears a bit excessive and is probably PMD, not "as-minted". It may be worth getting it certified anyway to validate it as a genuine 1818/7.
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  • jesbroken
    jesbroken Posts: 11,252 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Easier to look at. I would probably have it slabbed to have it labeled genuine as an 1818/7 perhaps small 8.
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  • TR
    TR Posts: 58 ✭✭✭
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    Thanks for cleaning up my pics. Will submit it when my 4 free collector club submissions arrive in 2 weeks and post the results.

  • lordmarcovan
    lordmarcovan Posts: 45,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Cool overdate, but no straight grade. It'll go genuine/details for sure.

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  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Probably worth slabbing, but will likely get details grade XF...... Cheers, RickO

  • Goldbully
    Goldbully Posts: 18,557 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 26, 2022 6:13AM
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    Some pics of 8 over 7 variety from Coin Facts


    Large 8


    Small 8


    OP - Small 8

  • BustHalfBrian
    BustHalfBrian Posts: 4,200 ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 24, 2023 1:51PM
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    VF Details, Rim Damage. I don't think it's a "guido", but an edge photo would help in determining that. I think it's a true rim ding.

  • TR
    TR Posts: 58 ✭✭✭
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    I received the grade from PCGS as vf30 today, its not a details grade. I'll know for sure when it arrives next week. I'm not familiar with the term "guido".

  • Pnies20
    Pnies20 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @BustHalfBrian said:
    VF Details, Rim Damage. I don't think it's a "guido", but an edge photo would help in determining that. I think it's a true rim ding.

    Its hard to tell from pics, but I don't believe its a guido. With the straight grade it makes me think its some sort of planchet flaw.

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  • jacrispies
    jacrispies Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    VF-30 is not too shabby. You are lucky it did not details. 30 is on the low end so I am sure they accounted for the damage and net graded the coin as a result.

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  • DelawareDoons
    DelawareDoons Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @TR said:
    The coin straight graded 18/7 small 8 vf30. Maybe the rim ding was in the minting process? It had xf details so maybe was net graded at vf30. I am happy with the coin results I got.

    Looks netted. Congrats on the straight grade nonetheless.

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  • TR
    TR Posts: 58 ✭✭✭
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    Thanks. Fits into my collection nicely.

  • lordmarcovan
    lordmarcovan Posts: 45,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Congrats. I'm surprised at the straight grade, but happy for you.

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  • Cougar1978
    Cougar1978 Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 26, 2023 8:51PM
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    Congrats on straight grade - I like half dollar sized coins or larger.

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  • beezlebazzle
    beezlebazzle Posts: 7 ✭
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    Nice overdate! :)

  • dhikewhitney
    dhikewhitney Posts: 532 ✭✭✭✭
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    happy it straight graded for you

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