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The answer! Guess the grades! 1921 Peace dollars

Che_GrapesChe_Grapes Posts: 1,870 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited November 8, 2022 11:14AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Both are MS - the one on right, recently graded, on left is PCGS old green holder
Provide two grades, one for right and one for the left coin.
Thanks for appeasing me!


The reverse has a bit of light reflection that is not on the coin but from the capsule.

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    TomBTomB Posts: 20,957 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Che_Grapes said:
    Both are MS - the one on right, recently graded, on left is PCGS old green holder
    Provide two grades, one for right and one for the left coin.
    Thanks for appeasing me!


    The reverse has a bit of light reflection that is not on the coin but from the capsule.

    Are you certain you have the correct right-left designation for the coins? The OGH certified coins did not have the prong gasket that you are showing on the left...

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    ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm going 64 on the prong holder, 63 on the other one. Although it would not surprise me if both were 64.

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    pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would suspect the prong is better in grade, based on the strike, especially the reverse, but also overall, and also the rim cuts on the no prong.

    I can't grade Peace Dollars from images well, but let's go with prong = 64, no prong = 62


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    TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think TomB is correct.
    Left-65
    Right-64

    Tom

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    JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Left with Prongs MS63, Right NO prongs MS62 (Also you can only see 97% of that coin)

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    Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 4,809 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think they are both 64s

    Mr_Spud

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    Che_GrapesChe_Grapes Posts: 1,870 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I did make a mistake - the OGH is on the right - my bad.
    Any more guesses?

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    Che_GrapesChe_Grapes Posts: 1,870 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pursuitofliberty said:
    I would suspect the prong is better in grade, based on the strike, especially the reverse, but also overall, and also the rim cuts on the no prong.

    I can't grade Peace Dollars from images well, but let's go with prong = 64, no prong = 62

    Wow - how did you come to 62 for the no prong OGH dollar?

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    DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Both 64.

    Professional Numismatist. "It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."

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    Che_GrapesChe_Grapes Posts: 1,870 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 6, 2022 2:31PM

    Most seem to agree the coin on the left is the higher grade … so appreciate your expertise on this.

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    dunkleosteus430dunkleosteus430 Posts: 471 ✭✭✭✭

    I'd also say both are 64.

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    WeissWeiss Posts: 9,938 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Left 64
    Right 62
    Great pictures on both, I think they both look like great coins.

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    privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,248 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64 63

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,358 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Strike issues make all 21 Peace Dollars look AU to me.

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    dhikewhitneydhikewhitney Posts: 392 ✭✭✭

    MS64 MS64

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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,625 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Both 64.
    Jim


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    justindanjustindan Posts: 700 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Left 63+
    Right 62
    I have no clue.

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    MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,317 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I love these “guess the grade” threads!
    I have no idea. I do love the Peace dollars, specially the 21s.
    My guess, the guesses will historically vary widely and wildly.
    OP, I suspect if you would not have noted this is “MS” we would have seen some AU guesses!

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    BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,768 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Prong holder, MS64
    Other holder, MS62.

    The '21 is a different beast though, and I think they're pretty hard to grade from photos.

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    pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Che_Grapes said:

    @pursuitofliberty said:
    I would suspect the prong is better in grade, based on the strike, especially the reverse, but also overall, and also the rim cuts on the no prong.

    I can't grade Peace Dollars from images well, but let's go with prong = 64, no prong = 62

    Wow - how did you come to 62 for the no prong OGH dollar?

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    Ummm ... I thought I spelled it out. Strike and rim issues. Could it be higher. Sure. Probably is based on that comment.

    But, just so you know, based on the Reverse strike, which looks like wear, I would have said 58 had I not known that it was MS (by your account).

    My 2c. YMMV


    “We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”

    Todd - BHNC #242
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    drfishdrfish Posts: 938 ✭✭✭✭

    64/63

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    Project NumismaticsProject Numismatics Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The left prong holder has color change in Liberty’s hair which suggests wear, but I’m guessing its the lighting and I’ll go 64 on it.

    63 for the coin on the right.

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    JRGeyerJRGeyer Posts: 136 ✭✭✭

    64/65

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    wozymodowozymodo Posts: 138 ✭✭✭

    63 left / 63 right

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    Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS-64 on #1
    MS-62/3 on#2



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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As viewed... Left is 64, right is 63. Cheers, RickO

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    CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,487 ✭✭✭✭✭

    hard to make out the luster but both look to have surfaces and strike of 63.5 & 63 ish respectively. The glimmer of luster will dictate if it goes up or down from there. Agree with @Type2 with 64 (no plus) and 62 as the one on the right looks dull (from an old dip) with a mushy Rev while the one on the right looks to have pop and a better strike w/less frost disturbances.

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    jerseycat101jerseycat101 Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They are both well struck.

    I am going to guess:

    Left: 64
    Right: 64

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    Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 7,826 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Left 64, Rt 63

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    ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Were any of us correct?

    Collector, occasional seller

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    VasantiVasanti Posts: 455 ✭✭✭✭

    That’s the beauty of grading. Everyone is correct!

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    InditonkaInditonka Posts: 435 ✭✭✭

    Left = 64 (min marks, good rev luster can be seen)
    Right = 62 (flat dull, over dipped as others have stated)

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    ACopACop Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 7, 2022 9:11PM

    If thats a straw on the V on the left its one of the proof die vams. Hard to tell, both have marks in the area of the straw

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    Che_GrapesChe_Grapes Posts: 1,870 ✭✭✭✭✭


    Some of you were spot on!!
    I personally thought the one on the right (OGH) is undergraded but perhaps not. Good points about the reverse!
    All the best —

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    Che_GrapesChe_Grapes Posts: 1,870 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks to all who participated

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