Washington quarter Type B reverse?

derryb · October 16, 2022 12:06PM

UPDATE 1:

Turns out the pics are of a proof. Found out the mint sets are in fact proof sets. I assumed that because they were in yellow mint envelopes they were unc. sets. Now I know what the "P.C" next to the year on the front of the envelope means. LOlo. But I did research and learned about Type B Washington reverses. I also learned, once again, not to assume when it comes to coins.

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Appears to meet the diagnostics, but I'm new to these. Pulled 20 of these same reverses from 58-64 unc. cellaphane mint sets. Mirror fields, kinda frosty. What say ye? Throw me a grade on the one pictured.

Same coin:

joeykoins · October 16, 2022 12:21PM

Definitely, the "B" reverse.
Congrats.
The grade? I have to leave that up to someone else.
If you read my new,
"Jefferson Wartime Nickel" thread.
You'll see why!

bob48 · October 16, 2022 12:27PM

Very Nice Proof Quarter.
According to my reference on Washington Quarters reverse Varieties the proofs of 1937 to 1964 all came with the type B reverse. Mint state type B reverses are rare.

derryb · October 16, 2022 12:38PM

so, 20 of these from 20 mint sets is is a score?
The Frankies are all 66 or better. two PL Jeffersons. At least 17 full band dimes and at least 15 full step Jeffersons. Lincolns all look high grade but not worth a grading fee. Coins are the best I've ever seen in a mint set of these years.
Picked up the sets (philly only) for $15 ea. at estate sale.

derryb · October 16, 2022 12:51PM

@bob48 said:
Very Nice Proof Quarter.
According to my reference on Washington Quarters reverse Varieties the proofs of 1937 to 1964 all came with the type B reverse. Mint state type B reverses are rare.

it's not a proof coin. I removed it from a Philly unc. set sealed in cellephane. My research says the reverse of the Type 2 unc. was struck with proof dies.

Windycity · October 16, 2022 1:00PM

Sure looks like a proof coin to me... show us images of the Franklin.

LanceNewmanOCC · October 16, 2022 1:08PM

@derryb said:
Appears to meet the diagnostics, but I'm new to these. Pulled 20 of these same reverses from 58-64 unc. cellaphane mint sets. Mirror fields, kinda frosty. What say ye? Throw me a grade on the one pictured.

aren't these made with the type B reverse like mentioned above?

i know the type B on the business strikes are good, in really 64/65 and above with some years being down right common. now a good toner in say 63 or something would bring a premium but most in 63 (unless covid has pushed the prices up like a lot of things, i woudn't really even mess with too many type B in low unc. just a couple years.

i'd check the pops and sales prices.

fiftysevener · October 16, 2022 1:09PM

Looks like proof rims

davewesen · October 16, 2022 1:16PM

I have not seen cameo quarters in PL ... which of the following shows the emblem/plastic token found in your sets?

derryb · October 16, 2022 1:53PM

@Windycity said:
Sure looks like a proof coin to me... show us images of the Franklin.

turns out you are correct, sir. Apology is in order..

derryb · October 16, 2022 1:54PM

@davewesen said:
I have not seen cameo quarters in PL ... which of the following shows the emblem/plastic token found in your sets?

the philly token on the right. See update to OP.

LanceNewmanOCC · October 16, 2022 2:15PM

@derryb said:
UPDATE 1:

Turns out the pics are of a proof. Found out the mint sets are in fact proof sets. I assumed that because they were in yellow mint envelopes they were unc. sets. Now I know what the "P.C" next to the year on the front of the envelope means. LOlo. But I did research and learned about Type B Washington reverses. I also learned, once again, not to assume when it comes to coins.

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anyone that doesn't run into this, isn't playing the game hard enough.

i forget the date run to these but i THINK they start in 56 and end in like 61 or so?

derryb · October 16, 2022 2:26PM

@LanceNewmanOCC said:

i forget the date run to these but i THINK they start in 56 and end in like 61 or so?

Coinweek: 1956-1964

johnt · October 16, 2022 4:14PM

You will occasionally run across a type B quarter in the 59 and 60 mint sets. I've been told they are sometimes found in other years as well, but I've never come across them. They vary in rarity, but the 56 is the least common of the 9 years.

davewesen · October 16, 2022 6:53PM

There are quite a few (100's?) 1957 type Bs from mint sets that have attractive toning grading 65 and higher.

ricko · October 17, 2022 6:25AM

@derryb ... Nice quarters.... Not a bad price for proof sets. Most I have seen (at gun shows, no coin shows around here) have been priced at $30. Cheers, RickO

jfriedm56 · October 17, 2022 7:52AM

This may be a 1959 type B reverse Washington quarter in a sealed mint set along with a type 2 reverse eagle on this 1959 Franklin half in the same set. Hope the photos are clear enough to tell.(https://us.v-cdn.net/6027503/uploads/editor/0y/hpnb8olxy5l6.jpeg "")

joeykoins · October 17, 2022 8:06AM

The 1964d

Type "C" Reverse

Is the money pick!
The one with fine detailed lines in its feathers.

jfriedm56 · October 17, 2022 11:31AM

These may be type B reverses on the 1960 and 1963 respectively.

MarkKelley · October 17, 2022 12:04PM

The type B is an overall deeper and stronger hub impression than the type A. It was meant for Proof production only, but some were used as business strikes. The situation is analogous to the Close and Wide AM reverses on the Lincoln cents. The clearest PUP is the space between the E and S in STATES.

MrScience · October 17, 2022 2:20PM

I've pulled a number of Type B reverses from rolls of nominally circulating silver Washington quarters. I am now thinking that at least some of these coins are proofs. Are the rim sharpness and field reflectivity the best diagnostics to determine proof vs. business strikes? Are there any other PUPs?

LanceNewmanOCC · October 17, 2022 2:27PM

@jfriedm56 said:

its been a while but when i helped a top registry guy build his variety set, i remember the 59 frankie had a transitional reverse with the 3 feathers. it seems like there was something else about it but it isn't coming to me.

nice type b and frankie in that mint set. seeing high-grade attributed stuff is great but seeing it in the OGP, now that is something.

having the type b and the frankie has gotta make that a bit of a rare bird, considering both coins and the amount of those sets being cut open.

@wondercoin

is that also the type of packaging you stated is prone to some spotting, preventing high-grade status?

johnt · October 17, 2022 4:30PM

I've been collecting type B quarters for years. There are many pickup points including the leaf connecting to the A in dollar as well as the one leaf below the arrow points comes very close to touching the arrows. I've found some with somewhat of a proof finish but these are rare. The 60 and 63 posted by jfriedM are definitely type Bs.

BuffaloIronTail · October 18, 2022 7:52AM

Pete

LanceNewmanOCC · October 18, 2022 8:30AM

@BuffaloIronTail said:

Pete

that is good.

would it also help to show the tailfeathers since the type c has those distinguishable lines?

derryb · October 18, 2022 10:49AM

@MarkKelley said:
The type B is an overall deeper and stronger hub impression than the type A. It was meant for Proof production only, but some were used as business strikes.

Note that they were used for business strikes after being retired (worn) from proof use.

BuffaloIronTail · October 18, 2022 11:33AM

@LanceNewmanOCC said:

@BuffaloIronTail said:

Pete

that is good.

would it also help to show the tailfeathers since the type c has those distinguishable lines?

Oh yeah, I agree. But that's all that I have in my "humble" picture archive

Pete.

johnt · October 18, 2022 6:29PM

Not a great picture, but shows the tail and more detailed leaves

johnt · October 18, 2022 6:31PM

Sorry. The picture above is a 1964 D type C.

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