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Grade this 1937d three legged buffalo nickel -- straight grade or details?

BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,771 ✭✭✭✭✭

Grade this 1937d three legged buffalo. I think it should be in a details capsule but your thoughts?

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    RampageRampage Posts: 9,697 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VF Details

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    thebeavthebeav Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like so-callled 'environmental damage'. No straight grade.

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    FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 4,509 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I might be in the minority here but I think a straight grade for that coin would be fine.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FlyingAl said:
    I might be in the minority here but I think a straight grade for that coin would be fine.

    I’m in the same minority.😉

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Toning looks off to me…I don’t think it will pass mustard.

    Dave

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Dave99B said:
    Toning looks off to me…I don’t think it will pass mustard.

    Dave

    My guess is that the toning is the result of a cleaning. But if so, I don’t think it would be significant enough to result in a details grade.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 18,938 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If the toning is the issue, maybe a soak in acetone, will remove the tone. Which then, may remove the "straight grade" question?
    :*
    Acetone will sometimes remove the tone.
    Good luck.
    Great coin, regardless.
    ;)

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    Project NumismaticsProject Numismatics Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Regardless of straight grade or not, I really like this coin. It has a good look in my opinion.

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    FranklinHalfAddictFranklinHalfAddict Posts: 697 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice. I like the dark patina and that splash of vibrant color is awesome.
    As others have stated, probably environmental damage, but it still looks pretty good to me.
    I’d probably prefer it slabbed even if it’s details just because of the value of the coin.

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    DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,451 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it and would straight grade it but PCGS has been on a real mean streak when it comes to black on coins.

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    jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,997 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Market acceptable to fine 15

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    BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,771 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 6, 2022 7:42AM

    Here is the ANACS slab within which the coin reposes
    IMHO this coin should definitely be in a details graded holder and not a
    straight grade holder as it is here and cleaning up or attempting to undo
    the environmental damage would be futile


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    a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,813 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Straight grade. That looks like acceptable toning for a circulated buffalo nickel. I've seen several buffalos that looked like this coin in straight graded slabs.

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    BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,771 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 6, 2022 7:47AM

    What I meant to say is if I found this one in a junk box I would definitely keep it! There was a day in the past when I went to
    a local dealers coin shop and cherry picked one of these in very good for a quarter! And in the same junk box was a
    1935 doubled die reverse! You just never know whats around the corner. Earlier this year I got a 1915 doubled die
    obverse in good. A very rare variety. But back to this coin, it is still a nice coin and the encrustation is uniform and does
    not really look that offensive.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I believe it should be straight graded, not details. Old coin, seen commerce, and looks good. Cheers, RickO

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    BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,771 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 6, 2022 7:50AM

    Maybe the grading services should just describe this type of environment modification as "crusty" and give it
    a straight grade? Some collectors pay big bucks for monster toning so maybe some would pay extra for these
    "crusty" specimens!

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    BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,771 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    Straight grade. That looks like acceptable toning for a circulated buffalo nickel. I've seen several buffalos that looked like this coin in straight graded slabs.

    If you look at the reverse the encrustation looks as it it has eaten into the surfaces of the coin making this coin a
    details grade coin most of the time.

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    braddickbraddick Posts: 25,203 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Perhaps a bit overgraded, but I like it and think the asking price is reasonable.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/255527961202?

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    CryptoCrypto Posts: 4,101 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it is even a bit better than a VF20

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,237 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Even if it is a details coin it will still be very marketable. Many collectors will find it attractive just as it is. I like it and think it would make a great album coin.

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    TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,819 ✭✭✭✭✭

    leave it as is. I like the obverse toning. The reverse....not so much!

    Tom

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    vplite99vplite99 Posts: 1,436 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Genuine.

    Vplite99
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    124Spider124Spider Posts: 1,281 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 6, 2022 4:59PM

    I think there's a difference between "not pretty" and "damaged." I'm no expert, but I certainly have (and have seen other) straight-graded coins with significant "toning" (for lack of a more pejorative word) like this.

    So I don't see why this would have to get a "details" grade, but I do think it's a classic example of "buy the coin, not the holder."

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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 11,271 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm certainly no expert compared to some who have responded it would grade, but I do not think it warrants or would receive a grade other than details.
    Jim


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    drei3reedrei3ree Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭✭

    I'm 100% details.

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 18,938 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Acetone won't ever remove toning

    I've had numerous coins with colors, then when I would soak them in the acetone. To remove some dark debris, for some strange reason, the colors would just disappear?
    This occurred quite a few times.
    Probably not a true tone but some environmental splotchs? That the tone would be removed?
    :*

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    Desert MoonDesert Moon Posts: 6,501 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I graded it VF20 from the images certainly not details. Glad to see I agreed with ANACS. I've seen similar toning on pre-civil war silver in VF that was straight graded, so..............

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 18,938 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So, is my understanding, that this ANACS
    that your showing is the same OP coin?
    :*
    If so, GREAT! It made a straight grade. Even though, it's ANACS. Not PCGS or NGC.
    Beautiful Buffalo 3-legged, dude.
    <3

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    BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,782 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One thing about the coin is that the dark color brings out the wear pattern perfectly. Classic VF.

    Pete

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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like the coin and would not mess with it, regardless of any TPG grade. IMO it should straight grade at PCGS.

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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,563 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I saw this initially on my phone and now I am looking at it on a laptop. I have concerns as to a straight grade. I would pass based on what I am seeing at the moment. This variety is really not that difficult to find- I would seek out a different example

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @joeykoins said:
    So, is my understanding, that this ANACS
    that your showing is the same OP coin?
    :*
    If so, GREAT! It made a straight grade. Even though, it's ANACS. Not PCGS or NGC.
    Beautiful Buffalo 3-legged, dude.
    <3

    Why do you think he owns it?

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,771 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 7, 2022 1:49PM

    @MFeld said:

    @joeykoins said:
    So, is my understanding, that this ANACS
    that your showing is the same OP coin?
    :*
    If so, GREAT! It made a straight grade. Even though, it's ANACS. Not PCGS or NGC.
    Beautiful Buffalo 3-legged, dude.
    <3

    Why do you think he owns it?

    I DO NOT OWN THIS COIN.

    P.S. ANY ATTEMPT TO "IMPROVE" THIS COIN IMO WOULD BE FUTILE! WOULD ONLY MAKE ITLOOK WORSE.

    Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage
    a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"

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