GTG with difficult photos. A real GUESS the grade (seller's photos)
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counterfeit or MS63BN
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Counterfeit
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hmm. 63bn 22-d weak d strong reverse. don't know which die pair but should be easy to determine.
you must have some SERIOUS fun on ebay @braddick ! i like it
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One hint:
NOT a counterfeit.
I know these can easily look fake, even when genuine. This one is real.1 -
MS-62 bn weak"D"
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The removed from lucky holder explains the rim damage.
Mr_Spud
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4 dies were used on these. The weak D was dies 1,3, and 4. All weak D versions also had a weak reverse.
Die 2 is the strong reverse and shows no trace of a D. The first 2 in the date is weaker than the second ( which doesn't appear to be the case on the OP coin pic )
Nowhere on the NGC label does it say genuine and how do we even know that label belongs to the coin shown?
I'm sticking with counterfeit/altered.
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@gumby1234 said:
4 dies were used on these. The weak D was dies 1,3, and 4. All weak D versions also had a weak reverse.Die 2 is the strong reverse and shows no trace of a D. The second 2 in the date is weaker than the first ( which doesn't appear to be the case on the OP coin pic )
Nowhere on the NGC label does it say genuine and how do we even know that label belongs to the coin shown?
I'm sticking with counterfeit/altered.
I would think and hope that if NGC had determined the coin to be counterfeit, that would have been noted on the grading label.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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@gumby1234 said:
@MFeld How do we know this label even belongs to that coin? It is not slabbed.We don't, but that doesn't change my thoughts in my previous post.
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@gumby1234 said:
@MFeld Do you think the coin looks genuine?I can't tell from the images, but I can't condemn it.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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Authenticity cannot be reliably confirmed from those pictures. Cheers, RickO
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@braddick said:
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that's odd.i'm pretty shocked they wouldn't just state removed from xx or damaged or something.
that is a coin you have in your possession, right?
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I purchased off of eBay and it is on its way to me.
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It doesn't help the seller shot the photos through the NGC flip.
Lance, you did a great job making it more presentable.4 -
@braddick said:
It doesn't help the seller shot the photos through the NGC flip.
Lance, you did a great job making it more presentable..
thanks.i only did it as you didn't have the coin in-hand, as i for some reason, previously thought.
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@LanceNewmanOCC said:
@braddick said:
It doesn't help the seller shot the photos through the NGC flip.
Lance, you did a great job making it more presentable..
thanks.i only did it as you didn't have the coin in-hand, as i for some reason, previously thought.
I thought you got ahold of the coin somehow, and dipped it.
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@moursund said:
I thought you got ahold of the coin somehow, and dipped it..
hey, i have a rep to maintain, so don't put it past me!
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I did. I don't think my photos would look any better than the seller's.
The coin appears AU with chocolate luster. A hint of a "D" when it is tilted under a light source.0 -
@MFeld said:
@gumby1234 said:
4 dies were used on these. The weak D was dies 1,3, and 4. All weak D versions also had a weak reverse.Die 2 is the strong reverse and shows no trace of a D. The second 2 in the date is weaker than the first ( which doesn't appear to be the case on the OP coin pic )
Nowhere on the NGC label does it say genuine and how do we even know that label belongs to the coin shown?
I'm sticking with counterfeit/altered.
I would think and hope that if NGC had determined the coin to be counterfeit, that would have been noted on the grading label.
Good point, Mark.
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