1885 Liberty Nickel won at auction. All the black surfaces you see are actually Bright Luster.
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don't see any PL in the price guide so this is a proof. cam or dcam. not sure from the images.
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Regular Strike
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Was in a safe for over 80 years. Supposedly
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Unfortunately, if/when the pictures are that different from what the coin really looks like, they don’t serve any good purpose.
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This seller has been discussed in detail. They have been known to polish or clean coins and then massively “juice” the contrast on their photos. Some offerings are not cleaned or polished but this is not a seller I’d take any chances on.
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Let us know when you get it back from PCGS.
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@dbldie55 said:
Let us know when you get it back from PCGS.More likely it will be going back to the seller.
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Any key would require TPG certification for me.
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Trick photography. Avoid this seller at all cost. I bet it was "fresh from a roll" too.
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I imagine it takes more work to make a photo that bad than to just take a decent one. And that makes me suspect it was done on purpose...
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imagine spending your time selling this crud
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@Cecilturtle7 said:
Regular StrikeIt's a proof, which is cheaper for an 1885. Return it if you can. [Unless you paid $500 for it]
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I just looked. You paid over $4000. A proof 67 Cameo is only $3000. Please return it orc you will be buried in it forever.
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@LanceNewmanOCC said:
don't see any PL in the price guide so this is a proof. cam or dcam. not sure from the images.Edited for accuracy.
Need about a 66 DCAM to make it worth the money
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@jmlanzaf said:
@LanceNewmanOCC said:
don't see any PL in the price guide so this is a proof. cam or dcam. not sure from the images.No DCAM known according to greysheet.
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this is what i was going by.https://www.pcgs.com/prices/detail/liberty-nickel/82/most-active/pr
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$4k for a coin with juiced photos and raw at that. You would do better in Las Vegas or Atlantic City.
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@LanceNewmanOCC said:
@jmlanzaf said:
@LanceNewmanOCC said:
don't see any PL in the price guide so this is a proof. cam or dcam. not sure from the images.No DCAM known according to greysheet.
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this is what i was going by.https://www.pcgs.com/prices/detail/liberty-nickel/82/most-active/pr
Interesting. I should check the pops.
Pops say 20. Wonder why there's no greysheet bid
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Sure looks like a proof to me, and if I recall correctly they are less valuable than MS business strikes for the date.
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I hope you have a way to return. I would never spend $4k on a coin with that bad of photography without it.
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lol
i thought doing a comp of a ms vs pf but ya, that was absolutely no help.
the 2 coins i comped looked to be identical in positional diagnostics w/o going completely crazy with it.
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@jmlanzaf said:
Interesting. I should check the pops.Pops say 20. Wonder why there's no greysheet bid
i haven't seen the new greysheets in a while (12-18 months?) (whatever the newest looks like) so i can't say.
with the old sheets, whether or not the proof prices would be found next to the business strike price seemed to be a complete crap shoot. some were, some weren't with no real logical arrangement i could ever figure out other than space.
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I'm thinking proof also. Do you have the coin in hand? What was your purpose for posting the coin here... were you already unsure of it?
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@TomB said:
Sure looks like a proof to me, and if I recall correctly they are less valuable than MS business strikes for the date.Yup, and probably hairlined enough to get a details grade. If that is the case hopefully the OP will return it, otherwise will be buried in a coin worth half or less of what was paid.
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I sent the coin off to be graded by PCGS. It is not a DCAM. The photographs are deceiving. Bright Luster. I bought the coin to have it graded and sold. GC is handling and it. I will let you know the grade no matter what it comes back
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@Cecilturtle7 ... That is a big gamble.... Best of luck, hope it works out for you. Cheers, RickO
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@Cecilturtle7 said:
I sent the coin off to be graded by PCGS. It is not a DCAM. The photographs are deceiving. Bright Luster. I bought the coin to have it graded and sold. GC is handling and it. I will let you know the grade no matter what it comes backUgh.
Good luck.
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@Cecilturtle7 said:
I sent the coin off to be graded by PCGS. It is not a DCAM. The photographs are deceiving. Bright Luster. I bought the coin to have it graded and sold. GC is handling and it. I will let you know the grade no matter what it comes backYou should get GC’s opinion of the coin before you have them send it off for grading. And the odds are that you should return it for a refund as quickly as possible, unless you want to take a very significant loss on it.
You’ve received valuable input and warnings from a number of knowledgeable posters, yet have chosen to ignore it. Ask yourself if you really know more about coins and the seller than all of us put together.
Edited to add: Far more often than not, those who buy coins at what appear to be low or bargain prices have, in actuality, paid way too much. Many sellers profit from the greed of unknowledgeable buyers who go “bargain”-shopping
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Yeah if GC thinks it is hairlined enough such that it will get a details grade, it can probably still be returned on ebay as "significantly not as described", but since it was purchased on July 10, that window is closing fast.
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good luck with that ...
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I sent the coins to see GC. They have them raw and are choosing what to do
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What I meant to say was I sent the coins to GC first and they didn't kick any of them back. including the 1885 and believe me if it had a problem they would have sent it back as they always do if there is an issue
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You are a mad man Cecil. If the less than 1% chance where this is a profitable endeavor for you happens it may actually be the worst thing for you in the long run since you won't learn the lesson you need to from this.
Good luck though would be a real cinderella story!
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@Cecilturtle7 said:
I sent the coin off to be graded by PCGS. It is not a DCAM. The photographs are deceiving. Bright Luster. I bought the coin to have it graded and sold. GC is handling and it. I will let you know the grade no matter what it comes back.
just curious. you have the funds to buy $4k coins (according to prior post) but not have any type of camera?if you recognized the seller's photos to be essentially intentionally misleading then you knew we'd also struggle, so why not provide, even mediocre pics of your own? in the future, i'd prefer you at least try. thanks
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was the intent of this thread to just be an BOLO for this seller and their fraudulent images?
i tend to be a digger to get underneath and understand things so i'm naturally curious. did you buy this coin from those images thinking it was a DCAM or a business strike. if the latter, how could you arrive to that conclusion from the images and risk that much money on a coin that will almost certainly not work out? appreciate you sharing your thought process here as i am all for creative and uncommon solutions, that will usually even defy the odds.
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Do yourself a longterm favor. Return the coin immediately upon realizing it is not what you bought. If purchased on ebay you will have no problem returning it if the auction said business strike or regular strike. You will own a small portion of your purchase price with no recourse later. Welcome to the forum and good luck.
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@Cecilturtle7 said:
What I meant to say was I sent the coins to GC first and they didn't kick any of them back. including the 1885 and believe me if it had a problem they would have sent it back as they always do if there is an issueYou made a faulty assumption. The coin would merit grading, regardless of its condition. So GC wouldn’t have any reason to “send it back” unless they were aware of the situation and/or you asked for their opinion in it.
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Bold (and foolish) move buying a raw $4,000 coin sight unseen from a source that’s been flagged on this forum many times in the past.
Not something to brag about or encourage other collectors to do.
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Jim, I haven't complained about my purchase at all. I have purchased several coins from this particular seller and its his language about the coin that i look for and he (knock on wood) hasn't disappointed me yet personally. I am fortunate enough that money isn't an issue and I can take the hit if I fail to overlook something and admit my error. I will post what the coin graded out or you will see for yourselves if your a fan's of GC. I held onto this coin a week studying it under a microscope and evaluated it. So no one is to blame but me if I got it wrong. Thanks for the good luck and advice
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@Cecilturtle7 said:
Jim, I haven't complained about my purchase at all. I have purchased several coins from this particular seller and its his language about the coin that i look for and he (knock on wood) hasn't disappointed me yet personally. I am fortunate enough that money isn't an issue and I can take the hit if I fail to overlook something and admit my error. I will post what the coin graded out or you will see for yourselves if your a fan's of GC. I held onto this coin a week studying it under a microscope and evaluated it. So no one is to blame but me if I got it wrong. Thanks for the good luck and adviceBest of luck, but you shouldn’t have to study it under a microscope if you know how to assess and grade coins adequately.
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@Cecilturtle7 said:
What I meant to say was I sent the coins to GC first and they didn't kick any of them back. including the 1885 and believe me if it had a problem they would have sent it back as they always do if there is an issueThe only "issue" is that it is a proof and worth far less than you paid for it.
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Watch the slablab episodes where Seth Witter interviews PCGS’ Steve Feltner. He describes the process of properly grading a coin. If your first step is pulling out your magnifier or you are using a microscope, you should rethink your approach!
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There is a reason for juiced images,
There is a reason each and every one of their auctions show the same contrast in their coins.
There is a reason for 104 bids on a generic coin from a meh series.
There is a reason for $4000 coin not being slabbed by a major grader.
I mean... 104 bids on a Liberty Nickel with no hidden varieties?
Setting aside my moderate numismatic skills (Top pop to my name), I've shot hundreds of weddings, sports events, coins over the past 20 years.
Close to 500K images... I can manipulate just about anything without photoshop.
You just paid tuition...
We all pay tuition.
Welcome to the club.
I honestly hope you wise up and return the coin.
You have been taken to school, and alot of your classmates with no interest in the outcome are advising you to return the coin.
If you can afford a $4000 coin and laugh off the outcome, you are smart enough to know when you are the mark.
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@J2035 said:
Watch the slablab episodes where Seth Witter interviews PCGS’ Steve Feltner. He describes the process of properly grading a coin. If your first step is pulling out your magnifier or you are using a microscope, you should rethink your approach!When I taught the advanced grading class a couple of times at the ANA summer seminar many years ago, one of the first things I told the students was to put down their magnifiers. It’s important to get a good look at the entire coin with the naked eye, before looking at all or parts of it with a glass. I had to tell some of the students more than once.😉
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I just took it in the shorts on a coin, but for a small fraction of this purchase. I wish I had that much money to gamble with...
Like you said... tuition can be economical or expensive. While my last bite at the apple was pricey, this tuition may certainly take the cake. In all honesty I hope he proves everyone wrong... for his sake. Doubtful though, as many of the people here see things that us newbs don't even if they don't always say exactly what/why, even in bad photography. I can attest to this personally.
I just hope he isn't putting his economic situation in jeopardy for this kind of gamble...
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Oh my!
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Call me crazy but I think everything’s going to work out fine for him.
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Interesting you are happy with transaction. I am thinking it will take 6 months to lose over half your money, that's not too bad.
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If money is no object why even do this at all? It’s going to take 4-5 months to find out you’ve been had.
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I would have been more comfortable bidding based on a Crayola drawing as this was juiced to the extreme on purpose.
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